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Listen, you old fogies, I want my animes!

Started by B.T., May 07, 2012, 02:45:26 AM

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jeff37923

Quote from: Premier;538284A bit of an aside for this thread, but I could never get why that stuff was so highly regarded. A few years ago it came up in a discussion on another RPG forum and I thought "What the hell, I have enjoyed some anime in the past, let's check it out.", so I watched the first episode of some "Lodoss War OVA" on youtube. It was thoroughly unimpressive and contained absolutely nothing that would stand out as interesting or noteworthy. "Well, that was just the first episode; maybe it needs some time to get into high gear. I should give it a fair chance." - I thought, and watched another 4 or 5 episodes.

Man, I'm never getting those couple of wasted hours back. It failed to get into any sort of high gear by episode 6 or so and remained thorougly unimpressive and un-noteworthy. It had a dour dwarf who was so unoriginal they couldn't even bother coming up with a name for him other than "it's a shorter version of Gimli", an elf whose ears and shoulder plates were locked in a ridiculously epic struggle for width who was the worst representative of the sort of utter brainlessness some genres of anime seem to find cute and endearing ("We're in the middle of a dangerous place on a world-saving mission, so maybe we shouldn't screw up. Look, there's a shiny item completely unrelated to our world-saving quest! Let's grab it, it can't possibly be an obvious trap! Yes, I have the mental capacity of a 6 year old!"), and some human characters who were so utterly devoid of interest I can't even remember anything about them.

And I don't care if "it was groundbreaking at the time, all that stuff in it that's considered passé today was totally innovative!". It may be true, but it was boring originally, too. It was breaking ground not worth breaking.

Ahh, I needed to vent that. Much better now.

Your vent is cool and all, but the reason why I mentioned Record of Lodoss War is because the whole story was based off of the creator's D&D campaign. So, yes, that particular anime is D&D.
"Meh."

crkrueger

#196
Quote from: Marleycat;538252I concede anime is in Dnd's bloodline just like everything else but I digress.  My question is what's Sentai and what's its difference from Wuxia? Two questions I guess.

Actually D&D is in Anime's bloodline, there's a difference.  When WotC put out a D&D structured on anime and to appeal in part to anime fans, it failed.  It's just Corpdrone 101think.  "Anime people like D&D, videogamers like D&D, mmogers like D&D, we'll make D&D like those..."






Sorry about the Imageshack earlier, just grabbed off of Google Images.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

deMonica

Quote from: CRKrueger;538311"mmogers like D&D, we'll make D&D like those.."

They did, its called 4th edition. An edition more MMO WoW-style than the actual rpg line based on said property. Roleplayers that MMO don't want to tabletop MMO (mostly), and MMO'ers that have never tabletopped and actually know about the practice, think it's the past time of an older pre-video game era generation
"People ask the question... what\'s a RocknRolla? And I tell \'em - it\'s not about drums, drugs, and hospital drips, oh no. There\'s more there than that, my friend. We all like a bit of the good life - some the money, some the drugs, others the sex game, the glamour, or the fame. But a RocknRolla, oh, he\'s different. Why? Because a real RocknRolla wants the fucking lot" -Archy (RocknRolla)

Bill

I am an 'old' gamer that loves Cowboy Beebop as much as I love John Carter.

How is this POSSIBLE!!!??!!

Benoist

Quote from: Bill;538375I am an 'old' gamer that loves Cowboy Beebop as much as I love John Carter.

How is this POSSIBLE!!!??!!

You are a mistake of nature. Go awayyy! :D

Drohem

Quote from: Bill;538375I am an 'old' gamer that loves Cowboy Beebop as much as I love John Carter.

How is this POSSIBLE!!!??!!

Genetic manipulation by the alien overlords! ;) :)

Bill

It could be both. Maybe the alien overlords altered my genetics?

crkrueger

#202
Quote from: deMonica;538335They did, its called 4th edition. An edition more MMO WoW-style than the actual rpg line based on said property. Roleplayers that MMO don't want to tabletop MMO (mostly), and MMO'ers that have never tabletopped and actually know about the practice, think it's the past time of an older pre-video game era generation

I know, that was exactly my point -  if it was obscure, sorry.  4e chased videogamers, chased anime kids, chased mmogers simply due to someone (probably a marketing intern) who didn't know the hobby reading a demographics chart they did not understand.  

As a result, since the OGL cannot be revoked, WotC was not able to "force" people to put aside other forms of D&D.  They actively chose to step aside as the marketer of 30 years of D&D products.  Only afterward once they found their sales less then Paizo's did they realize the truth of their situation, leading to the "Mendoza" meme picture from the Simpsons. :D

Hasbro's problem is they have traditional IP people, they needed someone from the pharmaceutical industry to explain things to them.  You can't stop someone from making aspirin, so you might as well make sure someone buys it from you.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

deMonica

Quote from: Bill;538420It could be both. Maybe the alien overlords altered my genetics?

No, that's multi-generational inbreeding  ;)
"People ask the question... what\'s a RocknRolla? And I tell \'em - it\'s not about drums, drugs, and hospital drips, oh no. There\'s more there than that, my friend. We all like a bit of the good life - some the money, some the drugs, others the sex game, the glamour, or the fame. But a RocknRolla, oh, he\'s different. Why? Because a real RocknRolla wants the fucking lot" -Archy (RocknRolla)

Bill

Quote from: deMonica;538466No, that's multi-generational inbreeding  ;)

There had to be a good reason :)

Black Vulmea

Quote from: CRKrueger;538422You can't stop someone from making aspirin, so you might as well make sure someone buys it from you.
. . . say, by making it addictive.


;)
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Marleycat

Quote from: Black Vulmea;538650. . . say, by making it addictive.


;)

That or just making it better.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

crkrueger

Quote from: Black Vulmea;538650. . . say, by making it addictive.


;)

Quote from: Marleycat;538652That or just making it better.

or in this case realizing that since you can't force someone to take the aspirin replacement, you may as well just sell your own aspirin without investing additional time or money into making yours the best or the most addictive (heh), just guaranteeing yourself a perpetual market share due to historical brand loyalty.

WotC was the premier seller of all things D&D.  They tried to manage D&D as a product, not a brand.  I'm sure as far as Hasbro/WotC is concerned, D&D gets the absolute low end of the business talent pool, corporately speaking, and it shows.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans