Quote from: BedrockBrendan;537917The problem with that approach is it forces every D&D game to be run as an anime cinematic game (and not every table runs d&d that way or wants it to be run that way). Much better to have a supplemental book for cinematic anime D&D (especially that combo because while Cinematic D&D is somewhat popular, anime D&D isn't.

It is true that there was no non-cinematic option for 4E(I would say that anime influences could be removed/ignored).

I'd also say that 3E really didn't do cinematic well, though not for a lack of trying. I'm all about the cinematic action, and I was able to do a vastly better job of it running 2E than I ever managed with 3E.

Quote from: Planet Algol;537905I would like to point out that I believe, that as long as the participants all had some degree of creativity and imagination, you could do ANIME! with LBB OD&D.

The 1d6 for all weapon damage would help facilitate that, for example.

Yes. I can see it. It could work.

These arguments are why crowd sourcing is a bad idea.

There's simply too many versions of the game.  They need to either decide what game they want to make and just do that, with lowered expectations, or use the brand as a header and make separate games under the umbrella.

RPGS are played by people that read books. Its a common axiom and it's propably got a grain of truth to it.

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If you look at top graphic novels and comics the first Anime comes in at number 11 and it's The Last Airbender. Avengers, JLA: Origins and others are all above it.

If you look at Computer games Max Payne 3, CoD, Diablo, all above any Anime style title

So if the argument is follow the trend of what's popular then anime not so much....
Time for a White Wolf rennaissance...maybe.

Quote from: thecasualoblivion;537928It is true that there was no non-cinematic option for 4E(I would say that anime influences could be removed/ignored).

I'd also say that 3E really didn't do cinematic well, though not for a lack of trying. I'm all about the cinematic action, and I was able to do a vastly better job of it running 2E than I ever managed with 3E.

Except that 4e isn't even very good at being cinematic. It's a flashy combat engine... and not much else.

It falls into the same hyperdetailed simulation design trap that the complex simulation-based systems of the 80's and 90's fall into; it involves more work than the thing being simulated, and focussing so much on the minutia of the simulation means that you can't get the actual fun bits of the real thing, when something horribly random occurs and throws everything for a loop.

Quote from: Ladybird;538000Except that 4e isn't even very good at being cinematic. It's a flashy combat engine... and not much else.

Keep in mind, that's what a lot of people think cinematic IS.  Just 300 with dice, with endless slow-mo action shots.

Quote from: Dog Quixote;537981There's simply too many versions of the game.  They need to either decide what game they want to make and just do that, with lowered expectations, or use the brand as a header and make separate games under the umbrella.

I reckon that this is what they should be doing if they want D&D to be a $50m brand - a series of different standalone games (boardgame, "basic" D&D, AD&D, CCG, skirmish, wargame), with compatibility that makes it easy to switch rulesets for crossover play so that, for example, you have the option of using the skirmish rules to play out a goblin ambush, or the CCG to resolve a magical duel.

In addition, they need a setting (not necessarily the default one) that features rivalry between rulers/nations, politics and intrigue, to support Game of Thrones-style campaigns, in addition to bog-standard adventuring.

Quote from: Dodger;538029I reckon that this is what they should be doing if they want D&D to be a $50m brand - a series of different standalone games (boardgame, "basic" D&D, AD&D, CCG, skirmish, wargame), with compatibility that makes it easy to switch rulesets for crossover play so that, for example, you have the option of using the skirmish rules to play out a goblin ambush, or the CCG to resolve a magical duel.

In addition, they need a setting (not necessarily the default one) that features rivalry between rulers/nations, politics and intrigue, to support Game of Thrones-style campaigns, in addition to bog-standard adventuring.

That would require intelligence so it will never happen.

Good god has TCO stepped up his game.  Are you guys actually reading what he's describing?  The style he's telling us he played in is the most ridiculous, over the top, childish wish-fulfillment you can imagine.  It's the shit you might put together if you were drunk, high, and bored.  Anime cinematic?  His shit makes Dragonball-Z look like Name of the Rose, and this is what he wants in the Core of 5e and you guys are talking about it like he's not making fun of you.

Sigh.

BT, have you been giving him lessons?

Quote from: CRKrueger;538034Good god has TCO stepped up his game.  Are you guys actually reading what he's describing?  The style he's telling us he played in is the most ridiculous, over the top, childish wish-fulfillment you can imagine.  It's the shit you might put together if you were drunk, high, and bored.  Anime cinematic?  His shit makes Dragonball-Z look like Name of the Rose, and this is what he wants in the Core of 5e and you guys are talking about it like he's not making fun of you.

Sigh.

BT, have you been giving him lessons?

Yeah. He's making this shit up.

Quote from: CRKrueger;538034Good god has TCO stepped up his game.  Are you guys actually reading what he's describing?

I tried, but it didn't make any sense.  *shrug*

Quote from: Drohem;538038I tried, but it didn't make any sense.  *shrug*

I stand by my assessment that whatever game he's playing isn't Dnd. So the rest is irrelevant to me.

um ... TCO is just saying have a more rapid healing model and give everyone rings of jumping and boots of speed and spend 90% of the time in combat.

I think its still D&D.

Quote from: jibbajibba;538051um ... TCO is just saying have a more rapid healing model and give everyone rings of jumping and boots of speed and spend 90% of the time in combat.

I think its still D&D.

I don't think anyone is suggesting it isn't. But it certainly isn't standard either. The closest I came to this style of play is when I first started and the GM just let us pick magic items out of the DMG to keep us happy (this got boring very fast). If he found a style of play that worked for him and his group excellent (sometimes I like to mix things up and take a different approach to the game myself---everything from the all halfling party to having the players be deathknights on an evil quest)...that kind of stuff can be a fun change of pace. Where I take issue with TCO is the suggestion that his approach is where the core system needs to be (as I said optional ad-ons are great for that sort of thing and I think a much better business model than endless splat books).

Quote from: Planet Algol;537905I would like to point out that I believe, that as long as the participants all had some degree of creativity and imagination, you could do ANIME! with LBB OD&D.

The 1d6 for all weapon damage would help facilitate that, for example.

That.

Quote from: Melan;537033Actually, even when I started gaming in the 90s, I would routinely hear arguments about how AD&D sucked because it didn't do Tolkien right (or because it featured spell memorisation, hit points, abstract AC, or classes and levels). Well, it didn't do Tolkien right because it wasn't trying to.

And even though I heard that complaint a lot of times my current extremely Tolkienesque S&W game works just fine.
OD&D is so open and versatile that I needed only very few houserules, e.g. I renamed the Cleric as Elf (yes, complete with "turn Sauron-tainted minion" instead of "turn undead") , and the Thief as Ranger, and reskinned their special abilities and spells as outdoors/wilderness/nature themed.