I like 4th edition and I think it's a fun game. Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to seeing what the next edition will look like. It'll be something new, I hope, or at least a new and interesting spin on something old. If 4th falls by the wayside, that's okay. It's merely one game of many.

1989, you know you don't get 2e back, right?  I mean, everybody hates that goddamn revision.  Everybody.

Indifferent to 3.x. Not really interested in 4.x but found the 4vengers mighty annoying.

Curious about 5e, since I think it's possible, well, let's say conceivable, that it'll be (a) popular and (b) something I'd enjoy playing/running.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;5087651989, you know you don't get 2e back, right?  I mean, everybody hates that goddamn revision.  Everybody.

Outta curiosity - why?

I hate everything and look forward to nothing.

Quote from: Rincewind1;508779Outta curiosity - why?

Dungeon Delver has an extremely bad habit to generalize so ignore the jackass.  I, on the other hand, have no problem with 2nd edition.  I have no problem with 3.0/3.5.  I have no problem with 4th edition.  I have no problem with 1st edition.

The only problem I have are with those D&D ripoffs/plagerized clones like OSCRAP.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;5087651989, you know you don't get 2e back, right?  I mean, everybody hates that goddamn revision.  Everybody.

Quote from: Rincewind1;508779Outta curiosity - why?

It was so, so much potential goodness that was totally fucked over by the execution.

Right now? BECMI/RC > OD&D, AD&D 1e > Castles & Crusades (does that count?) > 2e > 3e > 4e for me.

Can't say I "hate" any of them, even 4e got to be fun at times, but I'd definitely run D&D RC over 4e any day of the week.

I'm really curious to see how 5e will turn out, because right now they're promising all things to all people, and that doesn't sound like a winning proposition.

Haven't heard enough about 5E to have any sort of opinion.

Quote from: Rincewind1;508779Outta curiosity - why?

Well, I like 2nd ed.

 In answer to your question though:

*quite a few 3E people consider it an antiquated monstrosity for the same reasons as they don't like AD&D 1E; no unified dice roll mechanic, various xp tables, level limits, AC that goes down/THAC0, lots of rules loopholes and GM fiat.

*quite a few 1E people don't like it because of various art and style things, or they just wanted a different 2E with Gary at the helm, or because Lorraine Williams. The system itself isn't that different, compared to the 2E/3E or 3E/4E revision.

*forgies like to poke it as a classic example of "incoherent design".

*the immersion crowd hate the GM advice to railroad and talk of story and suchlike that started with Dragonlance.

4E people usually don't hate it particularly, either because there was less of a caster/noncaster divide back then or because they're distracted by beating up Pathfinder fans. The non-hatred isn't necessarily reciprocated, though.

I've grown to loathe 3e, I've always detested 4e, and I am hesitantly optimistic about 5e.  My distinct hope is that the system is something useful to me because having a popular, well-supported RPG is a luxury I have not had for some time.

I zee. Well, I think I'll stick for OSRIC for now - though my buddy has 2e PM.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;5087651989, you know you don't get 2e back, right?  I mean, everybody hates that goddamn revision.  Everybody.

No, way, man, 2e is the shit.

Great artwork in the corebooks, not the amateur hour that was the 1e PHB (don't get me wrong, I understand that they were on a budget, and they did what they could; has a real made-in-your-garage feel . . . like a bunch of buddies, with each contributing what he could).

Best settings. Al-Qadim. Ravenloft. Planescape. Dark Sun.

Got rid of the lame assassins (who needs evil PCs, come on).

Best Monster Manual.

Best fluff supplements.

2e was the edition that emphasized roleplaying and world exploration for the sake of world exploration.

Anyway, the main thing for me is to lose the miniatures focus of 3e and 4e. I am looking forward to coming back to D&D after being out of it since 1999 (2e). It's been a long, 13-year exodus, and I really am looking forward to coming back home. Hope they don't mess it up. I really want to read the philosophical, designer-type stuff that they will write in the new books, probably in the intro (seeing as we have learned from 4e that RPGs should not be board wargames).

QuoteGot rid of the lame assassins (who needs evil PCs, come on).

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Totally, man. Evil PCs ruin things. I don't want to spend my time imagining to be one. Evil-aligned assassins were a lame idea. Half-orcs were kinda lame, too. Monstrous humanoids. Not for me. But it's not a deal-breaker.

I dunno. About the only way I can think to fix D&D at this point is to copy Fantasy Craft, and I already have that, so . . . here's hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised, I guess.