QuoteHe does not have a cause but does that mean, I can't point out his delusional nonsense?

If it was delusional nonsense, you wouldn´t have to point the fact out.
Actually, you are fighting him, because the truth, or the method of delivery, hurt you for some reason. If it was all blatant crap, nobody would have to talk about him.  Including you.

Quote from: SettembriniBTW, everyone is talking about the pundit wrongfully attacking the Borg and Nobilis. Nobody is talking about the merits of Nobilis.

For one thing, that's because his arguments against Nob tend to be the equivalent of "dice pools just don't work and they make any game unplayable", only applied to a diceless game, or more eloquently phrased variants of "ur favrit g4m3 sux": for all his claims that it's an unplayable mess, he still hasn't come up with a single actual example of what precisely is wrong with the game itself.

For another, I generally stay out of SMOX threads. There's little reason to try and convince someone to play an RPG only because I happen to like it, and so my posts on the subject are mostly meant to correct inaccuracies and answer specific questions. Since there are precious few accurate details on Nobilis in the Pundit's rants (apart from it being a diceless game in which you play demigods), that's a bit of a challenge.

Quote from: SettembriniBTW, everyone is talking about the pundit wrongfully attacking the Borg and Nobilis. Nobody is talking about the merits of Nobilis. Maybe there are no merits?

EDIT:  I checked the OP, and this thread is not supposed to be about Nobilis (which may explain why people weren't singing its praises ... they were being responsible posters).  So I've exported my praises, and hopefully any follow-up discussion, to a new thread.

Quote from: hgjsSo according to some in this thread, it's insane to say bad things about people you haven't had conversations with.  Yet according to others, having had contact with someone makes it worse if you say bad things about them.  You just can't win!

Well, technically we should agree on the basic sentiment that going after someone's basic character is a fight you just can't come out of smelling pretty.

On the otherhand it is one thing to insult someone who you don't know but has done something you don't like in the worst terms. Everyone does it. Senator so and so is an utter cocksmock.

And another thing to attack someone who has done something you don't like that you have a history of not liking personally. Dominous Nox is an utter cocksmock.

Yet, to have a perfectly civil discourse with someone and find some measure of common ground after they've done something and STILL refer to them as a cocksmock? Neighbor Bob threw one hell of a party last weekend, but his car is so ugly. What an utter cocksmock.

Well in the last case unless your tone is obviously humorous or otherwise un-serious you'll probably get some odd looks from people.  

See, if I were to attack Grimgent as vitrolicly as the Pundit attacked the Borg it would be vaguely understandable. I've posted more than a few negative comments regarding his one track mind posting style.  If I were to attack you that way it would be sort of 'out of nowhere' as to my knowledge we haven't shared a posting history on any site, but it might still be understandable.

If I were to attack someone like that after they've posted kind loving comments in one of my 'Culture' threads, or elsewhere, I'd be the cocksmock.






Basically, I don't think Cocksmock gets used around here enough, so I had to bring the real purpose of this site back into focus.

Quote from: SettembriniIf it was delusional nonsense, you wouldn´t have to point the fact out.
Actually, you are fighting him, because the truth, or the method of delivery, hurt you for some reason. If it was all blatant crap, nobody would have to talk about him.  Including you.

You're right in that nobody ever has to point anything out to anybody else, blatantly obvious or otherwise. However, thinking that telling someone their cause doesn't exist is proof that it exists is a bit silly.

It's like if Pundit yelled at me that the sky was purple polka dots and I pointed out that it wasn't. I don't have to believe that the sky might be purple polka dots, fear that some day those dots might come out, or be in any other way concerned with purple polka dotted skies. All it takes is the desire to tell a guy that acts like an ass that he's acting like an ass for the sake of a delusion.

Quote from: SettembriniIf it was delusional nonsense, you wouldn´t have to point the fact out.
Actually, you are fighting him, because the truth, or the method of delivery, hurt you for some reason. If it was all blatant crap, nobody would have to talk about him.  Including you.

"If it wasn't true, you wouldn't be getting upset about it."  I don't think I've used that argument since I was a teenager, and a young teenager at that.

Wait.  Are you a teenager?

!i!

Quote from: Ian Absentia"If it wasn't true, you wouldn't be getting upset about it."  I don't think I've used that argument since I was a teenager, and a young teenager at that.

Wait.  Are you a teenager?

!i!

He's not, at least from what we can see from his video interview with R. Edwards. That makes his argument more shameful.

Frankly, one of the most shittiest arguments puked by the Pundit and friends is that of 'If you're upset about this unfounded, ignorant and stupid shit I have just said, then it must be true!' That makes the Pundit an homofobe racist, given his reaction to that parody guy of him in Indie Gaming Scene.

Along with the continous false assumptions that you (meaning Pundit or you, Sett) make about knowing what other people feels or thinks, make any discussion with you become like a... tour on a mental sewage, or something like it. It's amazing to see the differences between Andreas (the real person) and the Internet person.

So now you are getting personal on me? You guys surely are something. It still remains:

You guys wouldn´t have to fight so hard against Pundit if

1) He was irrelevant
2) There was no "war" going on

Right now you guys are 90% of that "war".

If you´d just shrug and walk, like any sane person does when he sees lunatics, this battle would be over. But it seems, for whatever reasons, you seem to be bound to talk smack about Pundit (and me, it seems), and "prove" that you are right and he is wrong.

We have always been at war with Oceania . . .

Quote from: SettembriniSo now you are getting personal on me?

Not necessarily.  I honestly thought that, if you were a teenager, I might cut you some slack regarding the "If it wasn't true, you wouldn't be getting upset" tactic.  As it stands, though, you seem satisfied with declaring victory through provocation (as does the Pundit), so you deserve whatever you get.  Try arguing a more mature position and see what that nets you.

!i!

Obviously, you have misread me.
I´m not saying anything about nobilis or the monarda law.

I´m saying: You guys clearly show, that Pundit is not irrelevant to you.
Nothing more, nothing less.

And you will not disprove that by posting even more snark about how unimportant he is to you...
Like it seems to be important to you to to talk with me, or about me.

It´s the things we don´t talk about that really we don´t give a  shit about. Like me and cicadas. I give shit about cicadas.
I don´t talk about cicadas.


And to show you how shrugging and walking works, see me leave this thread.
Wallow in your maturity of posting wisecrack fortune cookie lines on a gaming forum at your leisure.

And again, you don't have to be obsessed with turds, or even think that there's something true buried in the odor, to post here. Nor does there have to be some sort of giant under the covers war between piss and shit. You just have to be the type of person that likes pointing out to little brown blobs that they're made of feces, whether it be from sadistic glee, a selfless desire to have the turd recognize its own inner scat and strive to drag itself out of the toilet, or something in between.

Quote from: SettembriniWallow in your maturity of posting wisecrack fortune cookie lines on a gaming forum at your leisure.

Can we really? Oh, thankee massah!

You know those fortune cookies? A lot of them actually make sense if you stop to contemplate them before reading them aloud with "in bed" in front of them.

Quote from: SettembriniAnd to show you how shrugging and walking works, see me leave this thread.

Is this where I get to point out that we obviously must have gotten to you, otherwise you wouldn't be retreating and explaining that you were ignoring us?  I mean, if you really didn't care what we thought of you, you'd just walk away without another word.

See how this sort of childish emotional tactic works?

!i!

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaIs this where I get to point out that we obviously must have gotten to you, otherwise you wouldn't be retreating and explaining that you were ignoring us?  I mean, if you really didn't care what we thought of you, you'd just walk away without another word.

See how this sort of childish emotional tactic works?

!i!

I tell you, Bob, this is straight out of the Madden "My E-Penis is Bigger Than Yours" playbook, in the "how to win when the other guy has quit!" section!

Excellent use by Ian, we may see him get an LVP nomination yet this year!