Quote from: jrientsSpeaking of calling bullshit!  Questions about Pundit's motives or capabilities aside, the man hardly qualifies as 'hiding'.  Name someone who does what he does and has a higher online profile.  I dare you.

Also, any attempt to wander into 'don't critique unless you can create' territory will get a lot of people riled up.

Actually, rpgpundit's popularity isnt as high as he thinks it is.  He puffs himself up like a blowfish but there are plenty of people (gamers) who have no idea who he is.

And those who know who he is do so by being on the forums he was banned on for his trollish behavior

Quote from: Geek MessiahActually, rpgpundit's popularity isnt as high as he thinks it is.  He puffs himself up like a blowfish but there are plenty of people (gamers) who have no idea who he is.

And those who know who he is do so by being on the forums he was banned on for his trollish behavior

Fine.  That doesn't make a guy with a blog and regular activity on a forum into someone who is in hiding.  Are you hiding by posting here?  Am I?

Quote from: J ArcaneGet over yourself.

And keep the fallaciously wankish cliches for your own mental fantasy world.

Of this point I am correct.   Not to mention he spouts off about Nobillis with surprising ignorance

Quote from: J ArcaneYou could also try getting the posters damn name right.

I was trying to quote spike but I quoted the wrong message, point taken none the less.

Quote from: jrientsFine.  That doesn't make a guy with a blog and regular activity on a forum into someone who is in hiding.  Are you hiding by posting here?  Am I?

Ok, maybe hiding was the wrong word (I will admit that), but Rpgpundit has been banned from everywhere else and now he only has this small corner of the world to speak from.

There are many people who don't know who he is and many who consider him a kook.   His delusional rants in which he spouts ignorance doesn't help his cause.   Even people on here have called bullshit on him.

There is no war, if people roleplay in a way you dont like don't role play with them.   He isn't going to win any "war" because as I have pointed out (as well as others) the majority of the gamers dont even go to message forums.    His message will only be heard at this forum which is a niche inside of a niche inside of a niche.

Did the guys over at The Forge start a revolution?   Nope.  There were just a fringe bunch that you either payed attention to or you didnt.    Rpg Pundits "war" will have the same effect on gaming

Quote"The majority of gamers dont go online and read message forums!"

I think people tend to overemphasize the impact of a lot of RPG discussion sites, beyond the relevance they have to their own members.

QuotePageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important."

A few sites and their current PageRank.

Yahoo.com -- 9

YouTube.com -- 8
Metafilter.com -- 8
BoingBoing.net -- 8
Penny-Arcade.com -- 8
Gamespot.com -- 8

Wizards.com -- 7
Designmeme.com (Stuart's Blog) -- 7
Etsy.com (Crafts) -- 7
BoardGameGeek.com -- 7
SJGames.com -- 7

EnWorld.org -- 6
RPG.net -- 6
Indie-RPGs.com (the Forge) -- 6
PalladiumBooks.com -- 6
GreenRonin.com -- 6

TheRPGSite -- 4
Story Games -- 4

So yes, EnWorld and RPG.net are more influential and well known than TheRPGSite and Story Games... but SJGames, Wizards.com, BoardGameGeek, and even my blog are even more so, and those sites are nothing on the big ones like YouTube, BoingBoing and Metafilter.  And those sites your grandmother might not have heard of.  She's heard of Yahoo though.

I'm really lost here. I see Geek Messiah quoting abyssal Maw, then I see people quote GM as quoting me, then I see GM saying that he got the quote from the wrong post...

Gah!. I've spent the last five minutes trying to figure out who exactly invoked my Name so that I might lay down the Smiting, and upon whom which Smiting might be directed...

Someone seems to have taken my name in vain, and as soon as I work it out there WILL be a Smiting!

Quote from: StuartI think people tend to overemphasize the impact of a lot of RPG discussion sites, beyond the relevance they have to their own members.

*SNIP*

It has nothing to do with page ranking, it has to do with rpgpundit trying to get his word out in a medium that the majority of gamers dont use.

I bet if you go out and interview 100 gamers (or 1000) the number of gamers who have heard of The Forge will be small (if any of them have).

When you ask them why I bet you will be amazed at how many will tell you they do not utilize web based message forums.   Game Designers have talked to gamers and found most dont (check big blue, I dont remember the threads this was discussed in).

Trying to start a movement in a niche inside of a niche (ala The Forge or RpgPundit's "War") is a wasted effort.

Most of those gamers don't use message forums because they are busy actually playing rpgs.

My own blog rates a 5 according to this page.

However, I think you're missing one piece of the puzzle.  The sites the designers are on will indirectly influence design to some extent.  If Mike Mearls were to read my blog and come to the conclusion that I am the Platonic ideal of the customer he wants to sell games to, that could potentially effect zillions of 3.5 players around the world.

Quote from: SpikeI'm really lost here. I see Geek Messiah quoting abyssal Maw, then I see people quote GM as quoting me, then I see GM saying that he got the quote from the wrong post...

Gah!. I've spent the last five minutes trying to figure out who exactly invoked my Name so that I might lay down the Smiting, and upon whom which Smiting might be directed...

Someone seems to have taken my name in vain, and as soon as I work it out there WILL be a Smiting!

It was my fault.   I meant to quote you and that message was supposed to be based off your comment, instead I quoted off Abyssal Maw.

As they say "My Bad!"

QuoteSpeaking of calling bullshit! Questions about Pundit's motives or capabilities aside, the man hardly qualifies as 'hiding'. Name someone who does what he does and has a higher online profile. I dare you.

Me.

I think RPGPundit is an online persona of someone who I have no idea about what they're really like.  RPGPundit is an excellent debater, makes lots of great points, and I frequently agree with him -- but as a persona, he can make over the top statements, without worrying about it damaging "his name" in real life.  One of the reasons I dislike these threads about Ms. Borgstrom, is that it's one sided.  Rebecca  Borgstrom is being attacked, not "Lady Nobilis 23" or some other forum name.

QuoteFine. That doesn't make a guy with a blog and regular activity on a forum into someone who is in hiding. Are you hiding by posting here? Am I?

"Jeff Rients" is not hiding.  Any of the forum posters who use aliases are.  That's their right to do so, but it *is* hiding behind an alias, and they have the safety to say things they might not otherwise say if they were using

Quote from: Geek MesiahIt has nothing to do with page ranking, it has to do with rpgpundit trying to get his word out in a medium that the majority of gamers dont use.

I think you misunderstand me.  I'm agreeing with you -- the majority of everyone, including gamers, do not visit RPG discussion forums.

Quote from: Geek MessiahIt was my fault.   I meant to quote you and that message was supposed to be based off your comment, instead I quoted off Abyssal Maw.

As they say "My Bad!"

See... that doesn't help much, because I'll be damned if I can find a recent comment on this thread, much less one that actually would result in that sort of comment.  

If I DO read you right, I should point out that the Pundit HAS designed a game and has been semi-actively shopping it around for a publisher in various countries.  

If I DON'T read you right... well, my tail is still all acquiver anticipating a serious Smiting.

Quote from: StuartMe.

I didn't realize you were in the tilting-at-windmills business.  

Quote from: jrientsMy own blog rates a 5 according to this page.

And The RPG Outpost which I used to own has a page rank of 7 (Same As Wizards and a few others.   Regardless, page rank means nothing to the many gamers (the majority) who DONT use message forums.  You can be the best ranked site on the internet, but if gamers dont use the message forums it's meaningless.

Quote from: jrientsHowever, I think you're missing one piece of the puzzle.  The sites the designers are on will indirectly influence design to some extent.  If Mike Mearls were to read my blog and come to the conclusion that I am the Platonic ideal of the customer he wants to sell games to, that could potentially effect zillions of 3.5 players around the world.

There is that possiability, so yes the internet has some effect on the hobby but not a large one.

Quote from: jrientsIf Mike Mearls were to read my blog and come to the conclusion that I am the Platonic ideal of the customer he wants to sell games to, that could potentially effect zillions of 3.5 players around the world.

True, but how many game designers do you think well latch onto a raving loon as their quintessential target audience?

Quote"Jeff Rients" is not hiding. Any of the forum posters who use aliases are. That's their right to do so, but it *is* hiding behind an alias, and they have the safety to say things they might not otherwise say if they were using

Yeah me!

edit: the loon in reference being Pundit, not jrients who I quoted