Quote from: HombreLoboDomesticado;458852Oh. My. God. It looks like a manual to a set of fucking New Age divinatory cards... Truly terrible. The whole game sounds pretty pointless and pretentious to me and the *cough* artwork *cough* only enhances that impression.

Meh. It's cheesy, but not the utter crap of say, The Foundation.

Liefeld looks like the successful incorporation of West African aesthetics, which shaped Picasso's exploration into Cubism, into comic book design. If you throw out Western European presupposed expectations of realism and perspective, it's a pretty impressive re-visualizing of such aesthetics. Focus on the power, that becomes enlarged or remains forefront to the viewer; diminish focus on the extraneous details, that becomes smaller or alters to the needs of the power around. Granted, I doubt he did any of this consciously, which does detract from the genius of such a marriage of aesthetic tropes.

But if T&A of vengeance, bulging biceps, BIG guns, admiring the flat of swords, and thighs that can crush walnuts are crucial to your visual expressions of power, what consequence are details, like feet, digits, waists, etc? Believability is a cute answer, but come on, even by the mid 1800s with photography people realized the endless pursuit of realistic perspective in art was merely a distraction. Art is now free from such status quo restrictions, and so are we. Especially in something so culturally marginalized (in our culture) as comic books. Enjoy the post-modern madness.

I wonder how much West African aesthetics has subconsciously seeped into modern Western civilization? Liefeld definitely makes a modern argument for it in comics. I wonder how much of hip hop leaked into his style: Bua, graffiti, Basquiat... Too bad he probably did it unconsciously or by complete accident, leading to a lot of pop-psych armchair diagnosis.

Or perhaps it's all just evil, badwrongfun and I should lay off the snack 'shrooms.
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Quote from: Opaopajr;458861Or perhaps it's all just evil, badwrongfun and I should lay off the snack 'shrooms.
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I call Ockham's razor and humbly submit that you should absolutely lay off the shrooms.

I very much doubt Liefeld is cultured enough to have been influenced by this stuff. I've read an interview with him and his manic, overreaching enthusiasm and delusions of grandeur make Kevin Siembieda or Raven McCracken look positively sane by comparison.

Quote from: J Arcane;458730I think I've found a new worst game art nominee: Eoris

... Please do go on. It's like a 300 page book, and there's art on every page.

There we have the same character (the Enchantress) drawn by Alan Davis (left) and Rob Liefield (right). Head and body size similar (ok, on the left she has a waist. On the right, none). Legs? Oh dear.

Clearly the enchantress has used her magic powers to turn into some kind of crazy weird stilt person. I acknowledge that comic book artists draw unrealistic characters that only people hitting the gym 3 times a day could get close to emulating, but we read comics to get away from real life. Superman would have a gut over his belt, saggy man tits and sweat stains on his blue costume if realism was the goal (for an example of this go to any comic book convention).

That said, there's the imagined 'ideal' body shape most artists draw, and then there is the... well, it's shit isn't it? (I am referring to crazy stilt woman with leg warmers, too much fake tan and the waist. Well, I assume there's a waist there. The belt buckle more or less covers the width of it.)

It looks like Liefield stretched the lower half of the picture. And he gets paid to do that as a professional artist. Makes you wonder if he had some pictures of the editor in chief in a compromising position to get stuff like this into print. I'm not an expert on Liefield art, and up till a day or two ago I didn't know a lot about his work.

Now I know enough to avoid it.

Wow, it's like he enjoys wasp women. I'm guessing that character's long legs reference how powerful her legs are. However, aren't those dimensions closer to modern Barbie, than say 50 years ago Barbie? Perhaps Liefeld played with Barbies?! (<-- look, double punctuation, screaming question.) And how does this relate to Nicole Kidman's bizarre decade's long transformation of life imitating art, turning into a vamped up Queen Bee?

(I think the munch'ems are kicking in nicely, meself.)

Picasso, when he wanted to, could draw and paint in the naturalistic style. He took his knowledge of anatomy and perspective and lighting and turned them inside out to produce fascinating artistic results.

Rob Liefeld lacks basic artistic skills. Forget about the giant legs for a second and look at the lighting on that wasp woman. It's clear Liefeld has no idea where the light is coming from, since no collection of lights could actually produce that effect.

I doubt he did the colors, really; however, is someone arguing that he doesn't suck?

Quote from: Aos;458894I doubt he did the colors, really; however, is someone arguing that he doesn't suck?

Did someone tell this guy she is supposed to be part giraffe as a joke?

Quote from: J Arcane;458730I think I've found a new worst game art nominee: Eoris...Look at this shit...

Looks like fan-art from somebody's Blue Rose campaign.

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There we have the same character (the Enchantress) drawn by Alan Davis (left) and Rob Liefield (right). Head and body size similar (ok, on the left she has a waist. On the right, none). Legs? Oh dear.

Clearly the enchantress has used her magic powers to turn into some kind of crazy weird stilt person. I acknowledge that comic book artists draw unrealistic characters that only people hitting the gym 3 times a day could get close to emulating, but we read comics to get away from real life. Superman would have a gut over his belt, saggy man tits and sweat stains on his blue costume if realism was the goal (for an example of this go to any comic book convention).

That said, there's the imagined 'ideal' body shape most artists draw, and then there is the... well, it's shit isn't it? (I am referring to crazy stilt woman with leg warmers, too much fake tan and the waist. Well, I assume there's a waist there. The belt buckle more or less covers the width of it.)

It looks like Liefield stretched the lower half of the picture. And he gets paid to do that as a professional artist. Makes you wonder if he had some pictures of the editor in chief in a compromising position to get stuff like this into print. I'm not an expert on Liefield art, and up till a day or two ago I didn't know a lot about his work.

Now I know enough to avoid it.

Darn it I am goign to have to defend him now ... shcuks ..

Well I am fairly certain that he has taken an oversylaised approach and could draw a natuaristic rendition f he wanted to. Take Bill Sienkiewicz he can draw pictures that look like this -


but he often chooses to draw stuff that looks like this


It doesn't mean that he thinkgs Nightwing has a 2 foot long neck its jsut sylised (and needless to say all excellent)

Likewise whilst Liefield chooses to draw women that look like anorexic giraffes that have been to Rio for a cheap boob job doesn't mean he lacks talent



That has some good movement and is well executed.

Technical competancy should distinguished from style.

I totally get people don't like certain syles and Liefield isn't my style but he is techncially competent (though he can't draw faces very well if you look at most of his stuff) this is different from some of the other offerings we have seen who are techncialy incompetent.

Have you guys ever seen the forearms on Popeye? They're bigger than his head! 111111!!!!!!!!!

And what Jibba said.
Really, if you guys want to see some shit art, take a look at second tier artists at  DC and Marvel in the late 70's and early 80's.
Mike Sekowsky's work makes me cringe, for example. It has all the simplicty of Kirby, but none of the punch. That's my opinion, though  there are almost certainly some folks that  dig it.

Deadpool's head must be translucent, because otherwise I don't know how his right knee is lit.

Quote from: jibbajibba;458953Likewise whilst Liefield chooses to draw women that look like anorexic giraffes that have been to Rio for a cheap boob job doesn't mean he lacks talent



That has some good movement and is well executed.

Technical competancy should distinguished from style.

I totally get people don't like certain syles and Liefield isn't my style but he is techncially competent (though he can't draw faces very well if you look at most of his stuff) this is different from some of the other offerings we have seen who are techncialy incompetent.

OK, I'll admit it.  Capprotti is technically competent.

Quote from: TAFMSV;459017OK, I'll admit it.  Capprotti is technically competent.

Exactly. When Leifeld's garbage doesn't look like total shit is when he's helped a ton by a solid inker. His early work on Hawk and Dove is indicative of this.

And Aos speaks true, as well. Artists rarely (if ever) do their own colors. So light-source mistakes can usually be pinned on them.

In either case, Leifeld sucks balls. Pure and simple.