Quote from: flyingmice;406539I think he was replying to my post, not yours, Ken. Of course that may well be my enormous ego talking.

-clash

Apologies to Ben if that was so.

And I'm very impressed with your ego.

Quote from: KenHR;406540Apologies to Ben if that was so.

And I'm very impressed with your ego.

Isn't it huge? I flail it around just to evoke envy.

-clash

Quote from: KenHR;406536Mentzer's basic set talked down to the reader.

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This is the major difference for me. I have a huge problem with this. Also I prefer the art in Moldvay. (I came in through Holmes)

Quote from: Aos;406545This is the major difference for me. I have a huge problem with this. Also I prefer the art in Moldvay. (I came in through Holmes)

This, a thousand times over.

Well I don't play Basic D&D at any stretch so I'll bow out.

I've been playing Rules Cyclopedia along with Labyrinth Lord and I haven't noticed any real difference.

However it seems like it's a big deal and the differences are huge.  I'm taking it that this is largely an internet issue.

Nah, none of the differences are enormous.  I think you see a lot of attention given them because some folks like dissecting the various rulesets and examining the implications of certain changes.

In short: yeah, the internet.

Quote from: Aos;406545This is the major difference for me. I have a huge problem with this. Also I prefer the art in Moldvay. (I came in through Holmes)

Moldvay was my entry, and the artwork has always been my favorite.  Especially that pic in the Expert book with the old alchemist.

Quote from: KenHR;406538The OP asked for differences.  I pointed out some differences.  What's your problem?

The differences matter to me too, Ken. I was answering to Clash.

Quote from: Benoist;406550The differences matter to me too, Ken. I was answering to Clash.

See? My ego is not only enormous, but - once again - correct!

-clash

Quote from: flyingmice;406554See? My ego is not only enormous, but - once again - correct!

-clash

Confirmation bias.

Quote from: Benoist;406550The differences matter to me too, Ken. I was answering to Clash.

Apologies, then.

Quote from: KenHR;406559Apologies, then.

It's alright, Ken.

I've never read Mentzer's basic set. I see a few of you who say the condescending tone was a turn off. How did it express exactly? Do you have examples?

Quote from: boulet;406561I've never read Mentzer's basic set. I see a few of you who say the condescending tone was a turn off. How did it express exactly? Do you have examples?

An actual random quote:

"We know you pathetic... fungi! - I can't call you maggots because maggots have too much energy! - can't handle advanced stuff like separate race and class, so we mooshed them together so you can play a class of ELF, which is about as creative as your hormone-driven barely teenage brains can handle. You'll probably name the character 'Elf' too. 'Elf E. Elf', the Elf, who does Elf stuff."

See what we mean?

-clash

Quote from: boulet;406561I've never read Mentzer's basic set. I see a few of you who say the condescending tone was a turn off. How did it express exactly? Do you have examples?

If you can wait a week or so, I might have the time to go through it and find something. It's been a long time since my last reading of it, and I don't have the time right now. That said, I think I've already paid my "go through a document you don't enjoy looking for examples of why you don't enjoy it" dues this year in regards to the  Old School Primer on the haven.