I'm beginning to get embarrassed by some of our user-base.

Quote from: One Horse Town;379125I'm beginning to get embarrassed by some of our user-base.

Jesus, just fucking now?!! I passed that point months ago and I'm not here all that much. You must be made of sterner stuff than me.

Quote from: One Horse Town;379125I'm beginning to get embarrassed by some of our user-base.

If you used the weapon vs. AC tables as they were written, you wouldn't have that problem.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;379123Well..uhm..you could suppose that this all an elaborate hoax, ... of course.

Okeedokee, then. I'm near Baton Rouge, if you want to come by so we can figure out what you're doing wrong, you're welcome to do so.

But the question still remains: why do you keep saying stuff that only those unfamiliar with the game would say?

Quote from: Doom;379130Okeedokee, then. I'm near Baton Rouge, if you want to come by so we can figure out what you're doing wrong, you're welcome to do so.

But the question still remains: why do you keep saying stuff that only those unfamiliar with the game would say?

I'm unlikely to be anywhere near Baton Rouge. I'm in Baltimore. But the offer is open! I will possibly be in Arizona this summer, and Indiana in August.

Here's my snappy retort!:

If I'm doing it wrong, and you're doing it right, why am I having such a good time? And why do you have such issues with stuff?

Doom, Abyssal maw,

Are you both going to visit either ORIGINS or Gen Con?

If the answer is yes - then do your test game there.

Hell advertise it!
Make it benefit a charity somehow.
 The Gamer Doubting Thomas vs. The 4th/e D&D afficianado (apologist?)


- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;379133Doom, Abyssal maw,

Are you both going to visit either ORIGINS or Gen Con?

If the answer is yes - then do your test game there.

Hell advertise it!
Make it benefit a charity somehow.

I can't believe I'm quoting Koltar (that's a first ever for me, I believe), but I'd like to join that proposal. Make it a charity event, video tape it, do what you like, but for God's sake, make it kids friendly.

Quote from: Koltar;379133Make it benefit a charity somehow.

My booze fund is getting low and I am accepting donations.

Quote from: jeff37923;379137My booze fund is getting low and I am accepting donations.

Not quite what I meant.....

However such a 'stunt' game might collect funds for the local club's refreshment or party fund - if that gaming club has funds for such things.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;379138However such a 'stunt' game might collect funds for the local club's refreshment or party fund - if that gaming club has funds for such things.


- Ed C.

Just send your tax-deductable donations via PayPal to jeff37923@yahoo.com.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;379132If I'm doing it wrong, and you're doing it right, why am I having such a good time? And why do you have such issues with stuff?

Uh, I don't have issues? Why is it always about putting words in my mouth with you?

Stating "combats take 2.5 hours" is a statement of fact, not an issue. It's a natural consequence of the game design, nothing more. I guess I can sit down later and go into detail why this must be the case, but you don't seem particularly vulnerable to input here. Similarly, "minions are broken" is a statement, not an issue.

The simple fact that "level +20 encounter", if it's mostly minions, need not be a challenge for a party, while a "level +20 encounter" without minions, will always be problematic, if not fatal for the party, demonstrates quite well that there's something wrong, specifically with minions.

I can come up with any number of "level +20" encounters with minions that wouldn't threaten a party, even using minions five or more levels above the party members.

Can you give me an example of a level 21 encounter that wouldn't threaten a level 1 party, even using monsters 5 or more levels above the party members?

Quote from: Doom;379141Can you give me an example of a level 21 encounter that wouldn't threaten a level 1 party, even using monsters 5 or more levels above the party members?

I wouldn't try and prove such a thing. I could however, (probably) easily challenge a 5-member level 1 party with 20 goblin cutters. Those are level 1 minions.


A single level 21 minion, could wipe out a level 1 party. They'd need a natural 20 to hit it, and it would hit every round.


Here's the stats:
Legion Devil Legionnaire   Level 21 Minion
Medium immortal humanoid   XP 800
Initiative +11      Senses Perception +11; darkvision
HP 1; a missed attack never damages a minion.
AC 37; Fortitude 33; Reflex 32; Will 32
Resist 15 fire
Speed 7 , Teleport 3
m Longsword (standard; at-will) • Weapon
+26 vs AC; 8 damage
 Squad Defense
The legion devil legionnaire gains a +2 bonus to its defenses when adjacent to at least one other legion devil.
Alignment Evil   Languages Supernal
Str 14 (+12)   Dex 12 (+11)   Wis 12 (+11)
Con 14 (+12)   Int 10 (+10)   Cha 12 (+11)
Equipment Plate Armor, Heavy Shield, Longsword

Quote from: jeff37923;379139Just send your tax-deductable donations via PayPal to jeff37923@yahoo.com.

I am tempted to donate to a fellow 1987 California grad

Quote from: Doom;379141Stating "combats take 2.5 hours" is a statement of fact, not an issue.

Empirically, it is not a fact.  Others routinely report it takes significantly less time for them.

Now if you said "Combats take 2.5 hours, for my group", that would be an accurate statement of fact.  Or "For some people, combats take 2.5 hour" would also be an accurate statement of fact.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;379132If I'm doing it wrong, and you're doing it right, why am I having such a good time? And why do you have such issues with stuff?

Shill tunnel vision?