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The New D&D Red Box

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Peregrin

#45
March 07, 2010, 09:41:51 PM
Quote from: Benoist;365364I'm sorry, but that remark doesn't make any sense to me.
Are you saying that 4e is *the* perfect game system?
Are you saying that anyone not liking 4e is playing badwrongfun?
Are you saying that any problem anyone has with any system is because of the person, and never the game system?

... I'm sorry. I'm genuinely curious as to what you mean by this.

Woops.  Forgot my sarcasm tags.  :o

Sorry.
"In a way, the Lands of Dream are far more brutal than the worlds of most mainstream games. All of the games set there have a bittersweetness that I find much harder to take than the ridiculous adolescent posturing of so-called \'grittily realistic\' games. So maybe one reason I like them as a setting is because they are far more like the real world: colourful, crazy, full of strange creatures and people, eternal and yet changing, deeply beautiful and sometimes profoundly bitter."

Benoist

#46
March 07, 2010, 09:44:26 PM
Oh sarcasm! I understand better now! :o
The post seemed so out of character, that's why I wondered, honestly! :)

StormBringer

#47
March 07, 2010, 09:45:17 PM
Quote from: Peregrin;365359Any problems or dislikes you have with 4e are all you.  You're doing it wrong.  Maybe if you stopped doing it wrong, you'd realize how great it is.  Anything you perceive to be a problem with the system is just you because you were predisposed to hate it.
Yes, that is the general explanation I get.  I will strive to play it correctly from now on.
If you read the above post, you owe me $20 for tutoring fees

\'Let them call me rebel, and welcome, I have no concern for it, but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.\'
- Thomas Paine
\'Everything doesn\'t need

Hairfoot

#48
March 07, 2010, 10:25:03 PM
Bloody hell, Stormbringer.  Why do you arrogantly assume you know what you like better than the publisher's marketing team and the game's fans?

Benoist

#49
March 07, 2010, 10:34:21 PM
Old-schoolers and their unbridled arrogance make me SICK. :D

jeff37923

#50
March 07, 2010, 10:56:23 PM
Quote from: Hairfoot;365371Bloody hell, Stormbringer.  Why do you arrogantly assume you know what you like better than the publisher's marketing team and the game's fans?

Not fans, zealots.

There are a number of 4E fans who are not 4E Zealots, and they do not take issue with people not liking a game that works well for them.
"Meh."

Abyssal Maw

#51
March 07, 2010, 11:03:39 PM
This is fascinating to watch!
Download Secret Santicore! (10MB). I painted the cover :)

jeff37923

#52
March 07, 2010, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: Abyssal Maw;365383This is fascinating to watch!

Speaking of 4E Zealots...
:rolleyes:
"Meh."

Abyssal Maw

#53
March 07, 2010, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;365385Speaking of 4E Zealots...
:rolleyes:

If loving D&D is a crime, I guess I'm guilty!
Download Secret Santicore! (10MB). I painted the cover :)

Hairfoot

#54
March 07, 2010, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;365385Speaking of 4E Zealots...

In fairness, AM's only here for the quote-mining potential.  Next time an edition war comes up expect him to quote post #37 of this thread, where Stormbringer explicitly says, "only...4E...makes sense".

Mistwell

#55
March 07, 2010, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: Peregrin;365057I hate minis.

I spoke with minis yesterday, and she says she doesn't even remember you.

Peregrin

#56
March 08, 2010, 12:20:14 AM Last Edit: March 08, 2010, 12:26:17 AM by Peregrin
Quote from: jeff37923;365380Not fans, zealots.

There are a number of 4E fans who are not 4E Zealots, and they do not take issue with people not liking a game that works well for them.

I find 4e fun.  But it's hardly my favorite RPG.  I've played with several groups over short spans (10-15 sessions) and it works well for that, but I've run into the issue of some people not liking it for long-term play, since it's very focused.  I'm on the fence, since I dislike minis quite a bit, but I find the game extremely easy to run as a GM.  The minis, to me, are a necessary evil in the experience.

I've also run into the issue of long-combats, with several groups, both with me in the GM chair and others, composed of people with differing levels of RPG experience.  The internet tells me I'm just crazy, though.  Or that the people I'm playing with are all retarded.  Depends on who I'm talking with.  

The conclusion I've come to is that there are some encounter builds that are prone to being "problem combats" that drag horribly, and I've seen other posts/accounts to justify this view.  It's not just the solo creatures either.  I'd ignore it, but with combat being such a central focus, it becomes an issue.

I'm sure they'll solve those problems with the next iteration.  And maybe create a few new ones.  I've seen no indication that this edition is any less prone to problems, it's just that the problems are different.  As always.

Quote from: Mistwell;365393I spoke with minis yesterday, and she says she doesn't even remember you.

Good.  She was a whore.
"In a way, the Lands of Dream are far more brutal than the worlds of most mainstream games. All of the games set there have a bittersweetness that I find much harder to take than the ridiculous adolescent posturing of so-called \'grittily realistic\' games. So maybe one reason I like them as a setting is because they are far more like the real world: colourful, crazy, full of strange creatures and people, eternal and yet changing, deeply beautiful and sometimes profoundly bitter."

StormBringer

#57
March 08, 2010, 12:23:50 AM
Quote from: Hairfoot;365371Bloody hell, Stormbringer.  Why do you arrogantly assume you know what you like better than the publisher's marketing team and the game's fans?

Quote from: Benoist;365377Old-schoolers and their unbridled arrogance make me SICK. :D
I know, I should just shut up and get with the program.
If you read the above post, you owe me $20 for tutoring fees

\'Let them call me rebel, and welcome, I have no concern for it, but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.\'
- Thomas Paine
\'Everything doesn\'t need

StormBringer

#58
March 08, 2010, 12:32:56 AM
Quote from: Peregrin;365402The internet tells me I'm just crazy, though.  Or that the people I'm playing with are all retarded.  Depends on who I'm talking with.
Two from column A, one from Column B, and you get egg roll.
If you read the above post, you owe me $20 for tutoring fees

\'Let them call me rebel, and welcome, I have no concern for it, but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.\'
- Thomas Paine
\'Everything doesn\'t need

Peregrin

#59
March 08, 2010, 12:37:02 AM
Quote from: StormBringer;365405Two from column A, one from Column B, and you get egg roll.

Er...what?
"In a way, the Lands of Dream are far more brutal than the worlds of most mainstream games. All of the games set there have a bittersweetness that I find much harder to take than the ridiculous adolescent posturing of so-called \'grittily realistic\' games. So maybe one reason I like them as a setting is because they are far more like the real world: colourful, crazy, full of strange creatures and people, eternal and yet changing, deeply beautiful and sometimes profoundly bitter."
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