Quote from: Seanchai;361687The folks in this demo either a) already know how to play or b) are never going to play again after they finish the demo. Perkins isn't setting any kind of precedent.

Seanchai

The thing Windjammer pointed out was pretty convincing. It seems unlikely the player in the example knew that Darkfire couldn't do fire, but then the DM would have to go back and explain what Faerie fire is, and then explain why you don't need to get combat advantage or negate invisibility against an unconcealed door. Just saying it doesn't work is perhaps too quick. Explaining a rules in rules terms seems like a fine way to proceed.

Quote from: Aos;361690it's Batman for you then? I'm more inclined towards Tarzan, myself.

Batman. He has TiVo.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;361698The thing Windjammer pointed out was pretty convincing. It seems unlikely the player in the example knew that Darkfire couldn't do fire, but then the DM would have to go back and explain what Faerie fire is, and then explain why you don't need to get combat advantage or negate invisibility against an unconcealed door. Just saying it doesn't work is perhaps too quick. Explaining a rules in rules terms seems like a fine way to proceed.

Really? Would you have done it this way? That suprises me I thought you were a better DM.

 I would just have said  'Ah Fareie Fire does not produce heat it is like most faerie magic based on glamour and illusion. It just creates a halo of flame like light around the target." That would have taken me um 15 - 20 seconds to explain. The player would feel like they had a good understanding of why the spell didn't work that went beyond written text on a card and put the effect in a larger context and I certainly wouldn't have asked the guy to pass me the card so I could rules lawyer their arse and patronise them. Like I said ...its a dog on a bike...

And Batman is all guilt and angst whilst Tarzan gets to work on his tan and all the monkey sex he can handle.

Quote from: Shazbot79;361709Batman. He has TiVo.

True, but Tarzan has a monkey and a tree house.

Quote from: Aos;361711True, but Tarzan has a monkey and a tree house.

Yeah, but Batman's got the neat leather outfit and the toys that come with it. How's that for SM?

Quote from: Seanchai;361684No. What you perceive as my "shifting my argument" is just your inability to read and follow a thread.

Your crotch stinks.

!i!

Quote from: Seanchai;361687The folks in this demo either a) already know how to play or b) are never going to play again after they finish the demo. Perkins isn't setting any kind of precedent.

Seanchai

If they already knew how to play, then they would most likely know that Darkfire wouldn't be the in-game tool to use in burning a door, and if they're not new I'm not sure how you can know they would never play again. Plus, it might not be just the people in the video who misinterpret what the guy says.

Quote from: Just Another User;361695What I don't like about that is that from this point of view a 1st level wizard and a 30th level wizard can do exactly the same things. I admit, I'm not 100% sure, I'm not a big 4e expert, maybe there are feats and PP/ED that add options to those non-combat "at will" maybe there are other cantrips you can pick up in other source-books, but from what I remember those "cantrips" make no difference between the level of the caster. I liked it better in previous edition, if a experienced wizard wanted a permanent mage hand, for example, he could make one, researching a new spell with a 24 hour duration (or day/level), or crafting a magic item that allow him to cast the spell "at will", or a number of other ways, this make the ability to use mage hand or prestidigitation or other low level spells any time you need/want it, much more satisfying to my eyes that having an ability that remain the same for 30 levels because it is something you someway earned for yourself.

I think I understand what you're saying, although I still don't agree. A 1st level wizard and a 30th level wizard are not even remotely the same whether they could use mage hand at-will from 1st level or not.

Quote from: jeff37923;361443EDIT: I can't get up enough energy to hate 4E because it is just a game that fails to scratch my gaming itch.

By way of analogy:

Male Friend 1:  "Wow, she's hot. I wanna fuck her.  Don't you?"

Male Friend 2:  "Wait...that's a woman?"

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;361461There's no way 4e *isn't* a roleplaying game (which anyone who has played it, even skeptically, can tell you). The real issue has always been "It's not according to tradition!"

That about sums it up.

Quote from: Benoist;361712Yeah, but Batman's got the neat leather outfit and the toys that come with it. How's that for SM?

The problem with leather outfits is that-

Quote from: Ian Absentia;361713Your crotch stinks.

!i!

Tarzan goes commando under the leopard skin, which leaves him rainforest fresh, and instantly ready for ape pussy.

Oh, like wearing uncured leopard skin over your junk won't kick up a smell. :rolleyes:

!i!

Quote from: Ian Absentia;361728Oh, like wearing uncured leopard skin over your junk won't kick up a smell. :rolleyes:

!i!

The objective being "ape pussy" (or any simian orifice, really), it wouldn't matter.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David R;361729The objective being "ape pussy" (or any simian orifice, really), it wouldn't matter.

Regards,
David R

Like Batman wearing his leather pants and shit worries about the place his dick will end up shaking...

Quote from: Aos;361721ape pussy.

Why do I suddenly crave banana bread?