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Things About 4e We Must Admit Are Probably Good Innovations

Started by RPGPundit, February 15, 2010, 06:27:00 PM

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Aos

So, everyone, what's your favorite prehistoric animal?
I really dig mammoths, but trilobites are kind of neato, too. Also they have this kick ass gorgonopsid thingy on the first episode of Primeval that really fluffs my pillow.
I just can't decide.
You are posting in a troll thread.

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Drohem

Quote from: Aos;361018So, everyone, what's your favorite prehistoric animal?

That is a tough question to answer.  I would have to say it is either the Arctodus simus or the Canis dirus.  It's hard to decide.

Shazbot79

Quote from: StormBringer;361017Except Jeff doesn't make a habit of complaining about the forums and members in general, but continue posting screeds about how shitty the forums and members are.

So?

This is an internet messageboard about geek culture...you can candy coat it with as many pretty words about solidarity and communication as you like, but underneath it all we all come here to fight...you included.

We like the RPGsite because there are people of differing viewpoints and we can call them fucking retards without the mods getting their panties twisted over it.
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tellius

Quote from: Aos;361018So, everyone, what's your favorite prehistoric animal?

The (crypto)Dire Turtle!

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arminius

#110
Homo sapiens is, at least, good for a laugh.

If you only want extinct animals, that giant carnivorous flightless bird that got recycled in Nausicaa's pretty damn cool. Diatryama or something like that.

Edit: Diatryma/Gastornis

GnomeWorks

Quote from: Shazbot79;361021We like the RPGsite because there are people of differing viewpoints and we can call them fucking retards without the mods getting their panties twisted over it.

On one hand, this is awesome. Because when one of you people says something completely fucking retarded, I can call you out on your shit. Right?

Wrong. Because the majority of you twits all fucking agree on the same general premises, the few voices that generally disagree with you get stamped out and ignored and mocked. Bullshit communities on the internet - here, tBP, En World, wherever the fuck - become personality cults. Those who tend to frequent a given board either follow the most vocal, offensive fucktards around or generally keep to themselves, because they know that - when it comes down to it - logic holds no sway. Opinions of those other than the most popular have no meaning.

On the other, this view is fucking retarded. Because the internet isn't the holy land of reasonable discussion and argument, it's the haven for the socially retarded who can't actually handle a real argument, or be bothered to possibly promote their position through reason and logic. A casual disparaging comment to the origin of an idea is viewed as sufficient to make the argument go away.

Don't try to make this situation sound any fucking better than any other joint on the tubes. It may not suffer the same kind of bullshit as EN World or tBP, but just because chocolate ice cream has a different flavor from vanilla ice cream doesn't fucking mean they both aren't ice cream.
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Quote from: Shazbot79;361021This is an internet messageboard about geek culture...you can candy coat it with as many pretty words about solidarity and communication as you like, but underneath it all we all come here to fight...you included.

I don't. I come here to discuss. And when the discussion gets shitted up, I go to a different thread. The worst thing you can do to a thread is to engage the douchebag.
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estar

Quote from: Windjammer;360772Nothing in 4E's (alleged) innovations can ever outweigh the loss of removing utility magic from the game. And no, this isn't helped by copy-pasting names of (previous editions') utility spells on rituals.

This is not bourne out in actual play if anything the utility effects (tenser's floating disk, etc) get cast MORE.

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Shazbot79

#116
Quote from: Caesar Slaad;361036I don't. I come here to discuss. And when the discussion gets shitted up, I go to a different thread. The worst thing you can do to a thread is to engage the douchebag.

Except that inevitably, somebody always DOES engage the douchebag...and then someone engages that person FOR engaging the douchebag and so on.

People wouldn't troll if it wasn't something that actually worked. Sure, on an intellectual level, we know that the only way to win that game is not to play...but people play anyways. It's like feeding quarters into a machine that advertises kicking you in the nuts.

Anyway...I would say that in the case of Seanchai and Jeff90210, that neither come here solely to be pricks...but both come here to be pricks. Mostly people come here to argue...including you. You proved it by arguing against me with the quoted post.

And hell, I'm not saying that's a bad thing...arguing and prickishness are what these sites are for. Hell, the RPGsite is sorted of founded on the Pundit being a massive prick.

Quote from: GnomeWorks;361033Wrong. Because the majority of you twits all fucking agree on the same general premises, the few voices that generally disagree with you get stamped out and ignored and mocked. Bullshit communities on the internet - here, tBP, En World, wherever the fuck - become personality cults. Those who tend to frequent a given board either follow the most vocal, offensive fucktards around or generally keep to themselves, because they know that - when it comes down to it - logic holds no sway. Opinions of those other than the most popular have no meaning.

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Sigmund

Quote from: Thanlis;360872You, too, are an unimaginative idiot.

Seriously. Any time you find yourself critiquing any RPG by making up a dialogue between two people who could not play their way out of a paper bag, you have failed. You are proving yourself incapable of intelligent conversation. Don't be that person.

The example was one of two things: either a player who didn't bother to read the rules, or a player who read the rules but wanted to be a douche to the DM. "Ha ha, look at me, I'm going to point out that I can't use my encounter attack twice in one encounter instead of trying to work with the DM. My critique of the system is more important than working with the rest of the table to enhance immersion. My penis is better than you."

I have so little tolerance for that shit I can't even begin to tell you.

btw, if anyone's interested in actually fucking talking about the question -- which I think is a really interesting one, I just don't buy it as this crippling "ha ha I gotcha!" flaw -- I'm hearing Martial Power 2 talks about it. I don't know if it's any good or not. I mentioned earlier in the thread that the fluff in Primal Power was good; this sort of attempt to conceptualize powers is what I was thinking of. Hopefully MP2 is also good.

You really need to get the fuck over yourself. If a dude wants to make a joke about a part of a game that he doesn't like then who the fuck are you to judge it? Prick. If you wanna live under the delusion that you're better than anyone around here go right the fuck ahead but you're gonna be an unhappy little penis if you think your displeasure is gonna suddenly get us all lock-stepping to your agenda. While it's not my main complaints about 4e, the fact that powers that are described as being nothing more than special combat maneuvers yet still can't be used more than once a day is fucking stupid.
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Sigmund

Quote from: thedungeondelver;360892If this is what you think I mean:



When I suggest you think of creative ways to use a "low power" character and quit trying to be motherfucking Gandalf the White at 1st level, then yeah, I can definitely understand why you have reading comprehension problems.  

Seriously, I love how every time I or anyone else suggests that characters start off slow, think outside the box, and look back in n sessions from atop the peak they've climbed there's this chorus of BAAAAAAAWWWWWWW GYGAX KICKED ME IN THE NUTS AND TOOK MY LUNCH MONEY BAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW.  Listen, I will openly admit to not being the sharpest pineapple in the basket sometimes, but I got it when I played it the first few times, and I got it again when I picked it back up in '99.  I've introduced AD&D to people whose sole experience with RPGs prior to was video games, and they got it.  My seven year old gets it.  Why can't you?  Oh, wait, I'm sorry, the old way is broken, right.  :roll:

So, kiddies, since AD&D worked for millions of people (and still does for more than just my gaming group), maybe it's you who need to get over it.

As other games prove, starting off slow and using magic more than once a day are not mutually exclusive. We get it, you like earlier version of DnD. So do many of us. You can stop being a bitch protecting her young now.
- Chris Sigmund

Old Loser

"I\'d rather be a killer than a victim."

Quote from: John Morrow;418271I role-play for the ride, not the destination.

Sigmund

Quote from: JRR;360935And that is why it fails as an rpg.

I agree. That really is what turns me off to it as well when you get down to the nitty gritty.
- Chris Sigmund

Old Loser

"I\'d rather be a killer than a victim."

Quote from: John Morrow;418271I role-play for the ride, not the destination.