Quote from: Buceph;341895But he didn't flash his credentials, in fact he did the exact opposite. He said that it'd be twisted no matter what he said, which is exactly what happened. His credentials were found out by some e-stalking.

C'mon. Read the exchange. If he had just made the point you think he was making, nobody would have had a problem. He painted the bullseye on himself.

QuoteSomething tells me the hate is strong for Mistwell.

I'm sure there are some haters. But he doesn't have to make it easier for them. *shrug* I mostly agree with what he writes.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: Buceph;341819He's not saying he has a useful knowledge of IP law. He's saying you need to do more than read wikipedia and the statutes to understand the intricacies of IP Law, which seems fairly self-evident.

A practicing attorney in a particular area of law, would most likely be familiar with the legal precedents in their area of expertise, along with what works and what doesn't work in practice.  The latter is the sort of information that is not easily found from reading wikipedia and statutes published online.  (Nor can this type of information be learned from watching television shows like "Law and Order").

Quote from: Buceph;341889In fairness the guy he said that to was being pretty condescending himself. He did one of those replace the word posts and deliberately misinterpreting thingies that is just some guy dick waggling.

I am studying IP and Copyright law as a tangential to my degree. Mainly focusing on how it affects stuff online. Isn't there a lot of allowances for using something in an educational manner, and in an educational setting. Would there be any way that fansites could get away with a lot of things they wouldn't otherwise if they set it up as a learning tool for the game. Or are the educational exemptions strictly for academic work?

It falls under 'fair use', but there are rather strict page counts or content allowances.  Obviously, you can't re-print an entire book and claim it is for academic purposes.  Usually a dozen pages or so, directly related to what you are teaching.

Quote from: Mistwell;341843Does it matter?

Yes, it does. Why? Because you have set yourself up as a credible source of knowledge on IP law and have not established your bona fides as to why anyone should accept you as a credible source on IP law.

This is theRPGsite, where whatever expertise is claimed will not be blindly accepted without being tested first by its members. Maybe in other forums on the internet people accept claims without using their critical thinking, but not here.

Quote from: Mistwell;341843My point is that the field is complicated and not one that can be simply summarized on a message board such as this.  Not "Listen to me knowledge of IP law".

So, the subject cannot be discussed on a message board like any other subject may be discussed at a bar or pub?

Quote from: Mistwell;341843I do practice IP law, and have for over a decade.  And much of the field is federal law by the way, not state law.  Regardless, I don't think any of that matters to my point.  You don't need to be a lawyer at all to know that intellectual property as a field of practice is far more complex than it's made out to be on RPG message boards.

And that would be relevant if bona fides had been established and this were being argued by experts as part of a legal case being decided by a court system.

Quote from: jeff37923;341915Yes, it does. Why? Because you have set yourself up as a credible source of knowledge on IP law and have not established your bona fides as to why anyone should accept you as a credible source on IP law.

There is also the possibility of a person with such credible knowledge, who chooses not to engage in "serious" online (or bar/pub) conversations in their area of expertise.  Such a person may feel they have better things to do with their time, or they don't feel like discussing "work" type stuff when they're not at work.

Quote from: ggroy;341916There is also the possibility of a person with such credible knowledge, who chooses not to engage in "serious" online (or bar/pub) conversations in their area of expertise.  Such a person may feel they have better things to do with their time, or they don't feel like discussing "work" type stuff when they're not at work.

And if such a person were here engaging in the dialog, then the questions should be asked:

Why are you here in this thread?

• Why have you opened your piehole and opined?

Quote from: StormBringer;341867The point is, this isn't the California Bar Association mailing list.  This is a bunch of hobbyists throwing around some ideas about how things look like they are turning out.  If you have some useful information about IP law in general, or specific to California, drop it on us.  Because no one here thinks that our discussion would hold up in a court of law.

Otherwise, jam the condescending attitude up your ass sideways and break it off.

Hey if you HAVE a question I am happy to answer it.  I was not responding to a question, I was responding to someone's faulty statement.

Quote from: J Arcane;341892Dude, I just thought it was funny.  Lionel Hutz funny.

OK, fair enough.

Quote from: David R;341898C'mon. Read the exchange. If he had just made the point you think he was making, nobody would have had a problem. He painted the bullseye on himself.

No, I really did not.  Every time I comment on anything law related, someone hits ME with my credentials, and not the other way around.  No matter what response, it always goes down that way.  I could deny I was even an attorney and people would act like I just said I was the chief justice of the supreme court.  As you said - read the exchange.  I was not even offering any actual legal anything, other than saying "it's pretty complicated", and still it was interpreted otherwise.

QuoteI'm sure there are some haters. But he doesn't have to make it easier for them. *shrug* I mostly agree with what he writes.

Regards,
David R

So you tell me how I would make it any harder other than not posting at all? What response could I have given that would not have brought out the haters?

Quote from: jeff37923;341915Yes, it does. Why? Because you have set yourself up as a credible source of knowledge on IP law and have not established your bona fides as to why anyone should accept you as a credible source on IP law.

Yeah see I did not set my self up as a credible source of knowledge on IP law.  All I said was "it's more complicated than wikipedia".  You took it as something else, thus demonstrating there was no answer I could give that would not be interpreted as me claiming to be an expert.

But really, if you do want my credentials, I can give them.  Not sure why that would be relevant to my saying "it's more complicated than that" however.  

QuoteThis is theRPGsite, where whatever expertise is claimed will not be blindly accepted without being tested first by its members. Maybe in other forums on the internet people accept claims without using their critical thinking, but not here.

WHERE DID I CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT?

Seriously, you made this shit up entirely.  Show me where I made such a claim.

QuoteSo, the subject cannot be discussed on a message board like any other subject may be discussed at a bar or pub?

Sure it can.  Just as I am free to say "it's more complicated than that".

Quote from: ggroy;341916There is also the possibility of a person with such credible knowledge, who chooses not to engage in "serious" online (or bar/pub) conversations in their area of expertise.  Such a person may feel they have better things to do with their time, or they don't feel like discussing "work" type stuff when they're not at work.

Indeed.

Plus, I seriously think it would bore the fuck out of people and nobody would read it beyond the first paragraph.

Quote from: Mistwell;342034I seriously think it would bore the fuck out of people and nobody would read it beyond the first paragraph.

Maybe, but we will never know because you will just tapdance around the subject and hope that your condescending attitude will keep people from questioning your knowledge.

I hate doing this kind of shit (and I've been trying really hard not to) but fuck it....

Quote from: Mistwell;342029No, I really did not.  Every time I comment on anything law related, someone hits ME with my credentials, and not the other way around.  No matter what response, it always goes down that way.  I could deny I was even an attorney and people would act like I just said I was the chief justice of the supreme court.  As you said - read the exchange.  I was not even offering any actual legal anything, other than saying "it's pretty complicated", and still it was interpreted otherwise.

I did read the exchange. You started by taunting Stormbringer about his lack of knowledge about the law. Then you moved on to pawsplay. During all these exchanges your posts were loaded with sly hints that you apparently knew more about the law specifically contract law than them. You were not as you claim saying that the issue was "pretty complicated" but rather they were obviously ignorant about contract law. Now since Mr.Stormbringer doesn't like to be fucked by anyone other than Mrs.Stormbringer, he called you out on it. When he did, you act all hurt and pissy.

QuoteSo you tell me how I would make it any harder other than not posting at all? What response could I have given that would not have brought out the haters?

Well you could start by not engaging with members of the board who are hostile to you like the way you did in this thread.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David R;342045I did read the exchange. You started by taunting Stormbringer about his lack of knowledge about the law. Then you moved on to pawsplay. During all these exchanges your posts were loaded with sly hints that you apparently knew more about the law specifically contract law than them. You were not as you claim saying that the issue was "pretty complicated" but rather they were obviously ignorant about contract law. Now since Mr.Stormbringer doesn't like to be fucked by anyone other than Mrs.Stormbringer, he called you out on it. When he did, you act all hurt and pissy.

This is my take on the situation as well.

Hee hee.