I think it's terribly hilarious how many people are only realizing just now what an incoherent unintelligent boob Koltar is, when it's been in plain view all along, they've just let themselves be bought by his only real talent:  complete sycophancy.  

Come on guys, don't you realize what this thread is?  It's his pathetic attempt at playing Pundit to suck up to the moderatorship, just like he's been doing since day one on every site he's ever posted to.  Only he's not actually that good, so it just winds up a godawful parody of a non-point.  The Meet the Spartans or Scary Movie 3 of theRPGsite.  

I think passing any judgement on the greater userbase based on this pathetic drunken rambling is more than a touch off base, like judging the musical quality of a work not on the original recording, but a Dr. Demento parody.

Quote from: Mistwell;333110You're behaving pretty foolishly.

Essentially you are saying I cannot criticize a post by someone here, because I have reposted a post from someone else to another board (and letting them know I was doing that).  It's a completely asinine claim.

Oh, you can criticize anyone to your heart's content. It is just that your criticism has no gravitas to give it substance because you are also, just a pig with lipstick.

Quote from: Mistwell;333110HOW did I "elevate my position" on CM by reposting a post from here?  

The only reason why you posted about theRPGsite on CM was to bitch about criticism of ENWorld.

Quote from: Mistwell;333110How is that "Shilling for EnWorld" (which isn't even where I posted it)?

Pretty fucking obvious, that. Especially when CM is the daughter site of ENWorld.

Quote from: Mistwell;333110And how is my criticizing Koltar's opinion a hypocritical thing to do if I reposted someone else's post to CM?

Because your intent was to troll in order to elevate yourself in the eyes of members of CM/ENWorld. So since you only wished to stir up shit between forums and try to supplant your social inadequicies thusly, you have become your own username. A well empty of content except obscuring mists.[/quote]

Quote from: Mistwell;333110Seriously, your claims makes no sense at all.  I doubt they even make sense to you, and certainly not to anyone else.

If the claims are nonsensical, why are you trying so hard to dismiss them?

Quote from: Mistwell;333110Is it really too much to ask that you actually try and make a point with all this blather?

I have made my point. You are a piece of shit whose opinions hold no substance.

Quote from: Koltar;333086No, they can't.

 Thats just not true.

Gaming is not a Harrison Bergeron exercise in making everybody equal or believing they have equal abilities and talents.

- Ed C. [/url]

Honestly Ed, the word buffoon is remarkably mild by this stage in the thread when you talk bollocks like the above. I get that when people where all 'Whoooah, Go Angry Koltar' the other week you felt the need to go on a few more rants and start swearing for effect, but this forced rage is just ridiculous. It's like watching one of the slow kids at school do something once that makes the others laugh and without realising why, he continually tries to become cool, without realising that he becomes even more of a joke as it happens.

What I find hard to understand is that as someone who works for a gamestore you object to something that:

- would appear to encourage more people to try DMing and maybe do it regularly (which would lead to greater sales for you), maybe make groups more viable in the long-term and possibly provide the opportunity for them to try games other than 4E

- would make at least some people who realise that it's not for them understand the work that DMs do, appreciate it more and maybe not be a pain in the arse as a player. One of the activities when teaching is to have students plan and deliver parts of lessons. Some really take to it, many will go back to participating (but with a better of understanding of why we teach and learn, not just what we learn) but all of them understand it's not easy taking the lead on a regular basis. More appreciative players, with a better understanding of the rules is a bad goal for an introductory/one-shot activity?

I've never played 4E, I don't think it's something I'm really fussed about at this point in time, but I can't imagine that I'd play in a campaign of it for several months and then bitch continually about it online (I suspect because you're not in charge and it's just not GURPS). Honestly, do you ever say anything about the game to the group you're in?

Now, several people have posted that this exercise was designed to de-mystify the duties of the DM in the game. If that is the case, then I speculate that this was done out of a percieved lack of DMs for 4E games and is an effort to generate new 4E DMs. I would also speculate that there was a secondary goal of demonstrating that adventure design in 4E is a fun and entertaining pastime.

So, does this exercise achieve these speculated goals?

I do not think so, primarily because of the human element involved. Not all people make good DMs, however many people can become adequite DMs. Being run through an adventure within which the WotC staff has not made every possible effort to make it enjoyable, but left it up to the widely varied abilities of the participants (through this exercise) not only leaves much to chance, but also shows a definite disinterest in the outcome.

Quote from: jeff37923;333119Oh, you can criticize anyone to your heart's content. It is just that your criticism has no gravitas to give it substance because you are also, just a pig with lipstick.

You're the one guy out there making this claim.  Nobody else thinks "Oh man, he reposted something to CM, therefore lets never read his posts or give them any credibility".  For me to lack gravitas, it would have to be a universal reaction, not Jeff the island of one.

QuoteThe only reason why you posted about theRPGsite on CM was to bitch about criticism of ENWorld.

Um, no.  My repost (at least the recent one we were discussing) was not a criticism of EnWorld.  Are you sure you do not have me confused with someone else?

QuotePretty fucking obvious, that. Especially when CM is the daughter site of ENWorld.

Um...hey retard, this board was started by Spoony, a "daughter" of EnWorld.  In fact, I've been posting to this board longer than you have.

QuoteBecause your intent was to troll in order to elevate yourself in the eyes of members of CM/ENWorld. So since you only wished to stir up shit between forums and try to supplant your social inadequicies thusly, you have become your own username. A well empty of content except obscuring mists.

Dude, my intent in this thread had NOTHING AT ALL to do with EnWorld or CM or any other board.  None of this is me trolling.  My opinion is in fact among the overwhelming majority of opinions in this thread.  Are we ALL shilling for EnWorld when we say Koltar is making no fucking sense with this rant?

Face it...you have no fucking point.  Your contention that if I also post at another board then I should not post here is without merit.  Your claim that if I have ever reposted a post from this board somewhere else means I lack credibility to post here is ludicrous.  Shut the fuck up now little man.  You're whining about how your butt hurts is mildly amusing, but getting boring now.

QuoteIf the claims are nonsensical, why are you trying so hard to dismiss them?

Wait...now if I reply to your accusation then I am proving your accusation?

Right, I gotcha now.  You were the one trolling me.  Nice one! Touche.

Quote from: Mistwell;333130You're the one guy out there making this claim.  Nobody else thinks "Oh man, he reposted something to CM, therefore lets never read his posts or give them any credibility".  For me to lack gravitas, it would have to be a universal reaction, not Jeff the island of one.

I can't speak to any of this, but, just speaking on general principles, running off to Circvs Maximvs to talk smack about theRPGsite is pretty asinine.

Four or Five of you are mkissing the point. (The 4 or 5 calling me buffoon most likely)

What WotC sent out was half baked crap.

YES, I want more DMs and groups playing RPGS, but what they sent out does not really help that goal.

Its a nice shill package for Jones cola with D&D labels, and there is a very nice map and several dozen pre-painted miniatures - but there is no effort at putting something in there that rates a "Game Day".

You've all heard that line practice makes perfect?
 Thats never reeally been totally true. Good or perfect practice makes perfect.
This weird group exercise of making an adventure is bad practice.

- Ed C.

Can someone at least post a link to this oftmentioned CM thread so the rest of us can have some fucking context to these accusations?

Quote from: Koltar;333134This weird group exercise of making an adventure is bad practice.

Why? And why weird?

Quote from: Mistwell;333130Face it...you have no fucking point.  Your contention that if I also post at another board then I should not post here is without merit.  Your claim that if I have ever reposted a post from this board somewhere else means I lack credibility to post here is ludicrous.

Nope, bitch boy, you can post on any forum your heart desires. My point is that if the only posts you make on other forums are to cry and whine about your imagined injustices on this one in order to ingratiate yourself to another forum, then you are fucked up.

Quote from: Halfjack;333137Why? And why weird?

Simple example....

 TV show written by committee/team :
ST: DEEP SPACE NINE

TV show written 85-90% by one guy:
BABYLON 5

 BABYLON 5 was a better show and made more sense.


- Ed C.

Quote from: The Shaman;333132I can't speak to any of this, but, just speaking on general principles, running off to Circvs Maximvs to talk smack about theRPGsite is pretty asinine.

Again, let me be clear.

I post here plenty, and like the community here and consider myself a member of this community.  I've been here a long time, and though I took some time off I am comfortably back and plan on posting here for a long time.

I also post to CM.  And there was ALREADY a thread on the topic at CM, started by someone else.  

I noticed an post here (not this thread, and not this topic) that I thought worth discussing there.  And before I reposted it at CM, I let the user here know (in a PM here) that I was planning on reposting it in case he wanted to comment on it or felt I got something wrong.  He didn't care.

There was nothing asinine about it.  Any more than we here have multiple threads about EnWorld for example.  There was nothing secret or nefarious about it.

Nor is there ANYTHING about it that has even the slightest to do with this topic in this thread.  The only purpose of raising this topic in this thread was for Jeff to make a personal attack on me, in a cross-board and cross-thread manner.

Quote from: J Arcane;333136Can someone at least post a link to this oftmentioned CM thread so the rest of us can have some fucking context to these accusations?

Can we at least do that in a separate thread.  This thread has been derailed enough by that distraction.

In fact, HERE IS A THREAD ON THE TOPIC, complete with a link.  Have at it!

Quote from: Koltar;333140TV show written by committee/team :
ST: DEEP SPACE NINE

TV show written 85-90% by one guy:
BABYLON 5

 BABYLON 5 was a better show and made more sense.

Counter-examples:
Government by one man (dictatorship) vs government by the people (democracy).

I don't accept that group authorship is de facto a bad idea and don't see a reason to believe it from a single exemplar argument based on your own tastes. If you have an argument that has sentences, I'm all ears.

I don't even necessarily disagree with you -- I just want to hear the logic behind your statements so I can decide if I agree with THAT.

Quote from: jeff37923;333139Nope, bitch boy, you can post on any forum your heart desires. My point is that if the only posts you make on other forums are to cry and whine about your imagined injustices on this one in order to ingratiate yourself to another forum, then you are fucked up.

Gotcha.  How fortunate that's not what I do.  I make literally thousands of posts on other forums, including the one you are referring to. I've made 2-3 reposts of stuff here.  Nor have any of those posts been a complaint about an injustice on this board.  

So, now that your concern is addressed, it's time for you to eat a shutthefuckup sandwich.  Or at least take this shit to another thread, because it has fuckall to do with this topic.