Ok, miscommunication, then. That would work within canon.

Problem with throwing it into Mt. Doom is that's where its power seems to be strongest.

Quote from: jhkim;247293I don't see that we're disagreeing here.  When you say that Sam had the strength to deny it, I would call that resisting.  I agree that the Ring would eventually drag down anyone -- at first giving them fits of possessiveness of the Ring that they would recover from, and then visions, and over time their personality would start to warp.  

The point is, though, that she doesn't instantly become a bad guy like Saruman or even Denethor.  She did not try to steal the Ring like Smeagol or Boromir, nor did she accept it out of any base motives.  She will be subject to its effects, but they will be subtle and take a long time -- during which the plans to destroy the Ring and Sauron will be proceeding.  

In other words, the campaign won't be her as the obvious bad guy, but rather her as a tenuous figure who will continue to work to destroy the Ring (as Frodo and Sam did) but who will also have impulses and fits from it (as Frodo did at the end).

I don't know, I think there is the strong implication that the more powerful you are the more devastating the ring's effects and the stronger the temptation.  Remember Gandalf doesn't even want to touch it.

And isn't there that moment right at the end when Frodo falls and claims the ring as his own?  I can't help but think that for Galadriel to take the ring she would pretty much have to claim it there and then, which is rather different from being the ring-bearer.  I don't think that she (or Gandalf) would have that option.

Quote from: Ikrast;247288Aragorn would be perfect for that. Why should Arwen marry him, anyway? She's just a child. He'll certainly see the advantages of marrying you instead...

Stealing her own grandaughter's fiancee? Holy cats!

Quote from: ColonelHardisson;247301Stealing her own grandaughter's fiancee? Holy cats!

Hey, if you're going to go to the dark side, you might as well do it in style. Picture poor Aragorn, though, having to choose between Kate Blanchett and Liv Tyler. And thinking, maybe... both.. both would work...

Yeah. This is Middle Earth, fallen. This is not where you want to be.

Quote from: Vulgarian;247295I don't know, I think there is the strong implication that the more powerful you are the more devastating the ring's effects and the stronger the temptation.  Remember Gandalf doesn't even want to touch it.

And isn't there that moment right at the end when Frodo falls and claims the ring as his own?  I can't help but think that for Galadriel to take the ring she would pretty much have to claim it there and then, which is rather different from being the ring-bearer.  I don't think that she (or Gandalf) would have that option.

That seems like a valid take, but I don't think it is the only possible one.  Gandalf did feel that Frodo would be a better ring-bearer than him, and avoided touching it.  However, that doesn't make clear what would happen if Gandalf did touch it.  

When he first learned of it and studiously avoided touching it, Gandalf was very unsure about the Ring and what to do about it.  He took a great risk leaving Frodo and the Ring on their own in order to seek out Saruman's advice on what to do about it -- especially given that he knew that Sauron knew of the Shire and that dark forces were thus seeking the Baggins with the Ring.  

I think there's a lot of room for varying interpretation about what would happen if the Ring was in someone else's hands.

Quote from: Ikrast;247302Hey, if you're going to go to the dark side, you might as well do it in style. Picture poor Aragorn, though, having to choose between Kate Blanchett and Liv Tyler. And thinking, maybe... both.. both would work...

Yeah. This is Middle Earth, fallen. This is not where you want to be.

The more I think about it, the more intriguing a "Dark Galadriel" campaign becomes. She claims the Ring, then claims Aragorn - after all, he is heir to an illustrious royal line. Perhaps she even forges a new Ring for him, or even wrests control of the Nine from Sauron, the greatest of which she offers to Aragorn. Aragorn has shown a lot of willpower, so it's not inconceivable he could resist - after all, he dueled with Sauron himself over the Palantir in the original story. But then he becomes a fugitive, caught between the hammer and anvil of Lorien and Mordor. Or maybe he is slain as he tries to rectify Galadriel's mistake.

So many possibilities.

Or you could do an 'After the fall' campaign. Galadriel turned dark, beat Sauron, controlled all of Middle-Earth...And then the Valer came, destroyed her armies and sealed her away. Naturally, there was a lot of destruction in the doing of this.

Quote from: Vulgarian;247295And isn't there that moment right at the end when Frodo falls and claims the ring as his own?

This. The lesson I've always taken from the LOTR was not that good will triumph or evil (Frodo fails and falls to the rings power) but that evil fucks itself up (with Goloum and Frodo fighting over the ring).

The ring screwed itself over. It was saved from the fires of Mt. Doom but it let two failed people fight over it and that fight doomed it. Isn't that the irony, in the end good failed but evil fucked itself over. :hmm:

Depending on how much you want canon though remember that Sauron and the ring are in a mystical but also real way bound together - he poured his essence into it and while the ring exists he can't be destroyed.

So a dark galadriel could come about in the same way that Numenor fell. She has the ring from the best of intentions and summons Sauron only to find she can't destroy him because that would mean destroying the ring. And he then proceeds to corrupt her, perhaps as others have suggested leading to another attempt to defy the Valar.

Alternatively in canon there are other wizards out there who have set up their own oppressive realms (blue and red?) in the east. A campaign could begin with Galadriel seeking to overthrow them. Could be a good way to avoid the problem that opposing Galdariel + ring is pretty much suicide once Gandalf, Aragorn & plot fiat are out of the way while introducing the idea of the ring's corruption but that would be a pretty bleak campaign - ending possibly with the return of the Valar

Quote from: NiallS;250402Alternatively in canon there are other wizards out there who have set up their own oppressive realms (blue and red?) in the east.

According to canon, what there is of it, the two Blue Wizards, Allatar and Pallando, went east, but they by no means set up oppressive realms. Apparently Tolkien wrote in a letter that the Blue Wizards actually succeeded in their mission, preventing an even bigger army of Easterlings from coming to Sauron's aid. Perhaps they could be the last hope for Middle-earth.

Quote from: NiallS;250402Depending on how much you want canon though remember that Sauron and the ring are in a mystical but also real way bound together - he poured his essence into it and while the ring exists he can't be destroyed.

So a dark galadriel could come about in the same way that Numenor fell. She has the ring from the best of intentions and summons Sauron only to find she can't destroy him because that would mean destroying the ring. And he then proceeds to corrupt her, perhaps as others have suggested leading to another attempt to defy the Valar.

Yea, Galadriel, for all her power, isn't on the same level as Sauron. Sure she could wear the ring, but that ring is Sauron's malice and will made physical. Then again, as noted above, irony is closely tied to the ring's existence and there's no greater irony than Sauron being destroyed by someone wearing his own ring.

Hrrrrm, this Galadriel thing is pretty cool the more I think about it, and I'm usually REALLY resistant to deviating from canon when it comes to the books (which is why I usually set my games centuries before the novels.

Yep. Keep us posted on this game's progress. I'm curious to see how it goes.

-=Grim=-

Quote from: ColonelHardisson;250348The more I think about it, the more intriguing a "Dark Galadriel" campaign becomes. She claims the Ring, then claims Aragorn - after all, he is heir to an illustrious royal line. Perhaps she even forges a new Ring for him, or even wrests control of the Nine from Sauron, the greatest of which she offers to Aragorn...

She could just give him her elfin ring. She doesn't need it any more if she has the One.

She could even give it in good faith, before being fully corrupted.

Ran into this on fanfiction.net. It's Lord of the Rings and I laughed for about a minute.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2972753/1/Council_of_Elrond_Meeting_Minutes

I just posted more about this campaign on my LiveJournal, here:

http://jhkimrpg.livejournal.com/72630.html