Quote from: David R;242996The subject matter is interesting. Compelling. It's certainly not a beer & pretzels game, but for some not every game has to be.

Regards,
David R

Plenty of games aren't beer and pretzels, and plenty of games are also not purporting to be about slavery. I just don't get stuff like this at all.

I think it's you ! (droog)

Matthew 8.30-32 (cf. Mark 5.11-13 and Luke 8.32-33) wrote:
And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: obryn;242721It's amazing, isn't it?

This site, more than most other sites, is really, really obsessed with categorization.  Objectively Fun vs. Objectively Un-Fun.  RPG vs. Not-RPG.  Sandbox vs. Railroad.  D&D vs. Not-D&D.

It's like "I have made these boxes.  I believe stuff about things in these boxes.  Here, allow me to push things into those boxes so I know what to believe about them."

It gets downright pathetic.

-O

Yep.  It's taking "a game I don't want to play" and turning it into an ideology, which is basically the mirror image of turning "a game I want to play" into an ideology, which is what they are accusing the so-called swine of doing.

It's amazing to me how many people have actually bought into RPGPundit's rhetoric.  Don't they see it's simply a ploy to generate hits for his blog?

Quote from: Jackalope;242995And this ladies and gentleman, is why we call them swine.

Notice that we're talking about a handful of vanity press games with less than 5,000 in sales.  But what does droog compare them to?

Lolita, widely recognized as one of the greatest examples of modern literature, and Wild Strawberries, one of Ingmar Bergman's greatest films.  

Nabokov, Bergman, and Vince Baker? Seriously?  Seriously?  What the fuck makes you think any thing the Forge has ever produced comes even remotely close to works by world-renowned writers and directors?

I'll tell you what: you're a pretentious shitweasel.

When I see bad roleplayers put on dodgy accents, I cringe. When I see obese cos players squeeze into a dress four sizes too small for them, I cringe. And your problem with these swine games is that you don't think the authors, or the players have the intellectual prowess nor the emotional depth to treat the subject with the reverence it's due. It's the delusion that is offensive, that these people deign to ignore the immensity of an issue and consider themselves capable and worthy of dealing with concerns that tax the best of humanity and have destroyed the most unfortunate.

Am I reading you correctly?

Dodgy accents. Aaah ha ha ha!

I had a wonderful time playing a gunslinger in a TORG (ish) game trying to figure out why the rest of the group wanted to meet with the Queen of the Ferries.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;243009I just don't get stuff like this at all.

I don't get Exalted. And yet I don't feel the need to start a WAR about it or appropriate someone else's term - Swine - to describe it's fans.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: walkerp;243017It's amazing to me how many people have actually bought into RPGPundit's rhetoric.  Don't they see it's simply a ploy to generate hits for his blog?

Some of us more than others. The real question is if you find it disgusting and disreputable. Some find it clever and admirable. Others actually believe the script as doctrine. You can decide what is scarier.

Bill

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;242916Have you given thought to writing it up as a worldbook?

I mean, you wouldn't have to do much new writing, you could just have a skeleton of description of each town, and all those encounters you wrote up could be example/random encounters.

I'd like to do something with the game, once I finish it, if it gets popular enough.

I think I'd do it as a set of things GMs could put into their game worlds, rather than a worldbook (so there'd be no maps).

I'd also like to do a printed version of my tables collection...I even had a name picked ("Sobekhotep's Stochastic Cornucopia")...but there wasn't really enough interest

Quote from: J Arcane;242953Wow.  Why am I totally unsurprised that Jared Sorenson of all people has made the vegetarian propoganda game.

:rolleyes:

Does that make him Vegan Swine Substitute?

Quote from: Buceph;243023When I see bad roleplayers put on dodgy accents, I cringe. When I see obese cos players squeeze into a dress four sizes too small for them, I cringe. And your problem with these swine games is that you don't think the authors, or the players have the intellectual prowess nor the emotional depth to treat the subject with the reverence it's due. It's the delusion that is offensive, that these people deign to ignore the immensity of an issue and consider themselves capable and worthy of dealing with concerns that tax the best of humanity and have destroyed the most unfortunate.

Am I reading you correctly?

That is a spectacular and eloquent way of describing exactly my objection to such emo-tourism claptrap.  

Thank you sir, and welcome to theRPGsite.

Quote from: Fritzs;243002Jackalope: Question is: Do you like Wild Strawberries, because it's great movie or because "they" (teachers, society, whatever) told you to like it...? Or because it is ever popular self-evident fact that don't need explanation...?

I've never seen Wild Strawberries.  I have no opinion on it.

I have never been a big fan of strawberries, but I do prefer wild ones to store-bought, when I can find them.  Yes, there is a lot of picking and not a lot of fruit (those wild ones are so small, especially in the mountains), but it's better than the tasteless pulp that are most commercial strawberries these days.

Quote from: Buceph;243023When I see bad roleplayers put on dodgy accents, I cringe. When I see obese cos players squeeze into a dress four sizes too small for them, I cringe. And your problem with these swine games is that you don't think the authors, or the players have the intellectual prowess nor the emotional depth to treat the subject with the reverence it's due. It's the delusion that is offensive, that these people deign to ignore the immensity of an issue and consider themselves capable and worthy of dealing with concerns that tax the best of humanity and have destroyed the most unfortunate.

Am I reading you correctly?

Yes!  Exactly!

Toni Morrison did a tremendous amount of research before writing Beloved.  She read a great many slave narratives, studied the history, developed her characters and her plot, and put them all together slowly and built a grand and wonderful novel.

No group of average, ordinary people with no previous background in slave narratives or this body of literature is going to sit down around a table and come up with a grand tale that illuminates the heart-wrenching effects of slavery on the human soul thanks to a an 81 page book of game mechanics.

I could see the game being useful as part of a larger curriculum that involved reading Toni Morrison, reading some actual slave narratives, and studying the time period the stories involve.  I could definitely see how the game could be very thought-provoking and rewarding in rigorous academic setting.

But the notion that you could get a productive result and really learn something fundamental without actually studying the premise of the game, that you could make up a character, roll some dice, and come to some sort of deep understanding?

HOGWASH!!!  Pretentious, self-important HOGWASH.

Quote from: Jackalope;243226I've never seen Wild Strawberries.  I have no opinion on it.

'one of Ingmar Bergman's greatest films'

Quote from: walkerp;243233I have never been a big fan of strawberries, but I do prefer wild ones to store-bought, when I can find them.  Yes, there is a lot of picking and not a lot of fruit (those wild ones are so small, especially in the mountains), but it's better than the tasteless pulp that are most commercial strawberries these days.

I prefer to dig for truffles.