Quote from: J Arcane;227525Sigh.  It's already been explained that this isn't actually how the damn GPL works, do I have to explain it again?

I'd be interested in hearing it.

The GPL is a license for software, so I'd also be interested in examples of media that have been released under the GPL.

Also, there are common criticisms of the GPL ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#Criticism ) that echo what Bill has been saying.

QuoteSome software developers have found the extensive scope of the GPL to be too restrictive. For example, Bjørn Reese and Daniel Stenberg describe how the downstream effects of the GPL on later developers creates a "quodque pro quo" (Latin, "Everything in return for something"). For that reason, in 2001 they abandoned the GPLv2 in favor of less restrictive copyleft licenses.

Quote from: Stuart;227527I'd be interested in hearing it.

The GPL is a license for software, so I'd also be interested in examples of media that have been released under the GPL.

Also, there are common criticisms of the GPL ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#Criticism ) that echo what Bill has been saying.

As was explained once up thread, the GPL does not entail a surrendering of copyright.  You still retain the rights to your own work, you do not "surrender your IP", you're simply required to share your contribution if you wish to make use of someone else's.  The very example that you cite from Wiki there would not even be possible if this were not the case.

It's share-and-share-alike, just like the Creative Commons license you linked to, but with considerable more legal backing and history.

Quote from: J Arcane;227533As was explained once up thread, the GPL does not entail a surrendering of copyright.  You still retain the rights to your own work, you do not "surrender your IP", you're simply required to share your contribution if you wish to make use of someone else's.  The very example that you cite from Wiki there would not even be possible if this were not the case.

It's share-and-share-alike, just like the Creative Commons license you linked to, but with considerable more legal backing and history.

GPL is older, and thus more history.  I'm not sure if I'd agree on the amount of legal backing though.

That point aside, would this not be the scenario:

d6 is released under GPL

I take d6 then add MySetting and release the new game under GPL (because I have to).

Then you can take d6 *and* MySetting and create d6 and MySetting plus yourStuff and you release than under GPL.

All well and good... unless I don't want to let other people create works based on MySetting.

Yes, I still have copyright to MySetting and I can continue to do things with it.  I'm the only one who can release fully copyrighted versions of MySetting.  But anyone can also release MySetting or derivatives as long as it was under the GPL.

So if JK Rowling released d6 Harry Potter under the GPL, I could turn around and release Harry Potter Generation 2: Electric Boogaloo as long as it was also GPL.

Since JK Rowling (or whoever else has an IP they don't want to give up) doesn't want to let anyone and everyone do that, they won't release their setting for the d6 system.

Are there any story / settings that have been released under GPL?  I think it's almost entirely software... since it's a software license.

Edit:

Quote from: J ArcaneIt's share-and-share-alike, just like the Creative Commons license you linked to, but with considerable more legal backing and history.

I think if d6 was released under Creative Commons it should be with the Attribution license, and not with the Attribution + Share Alike license.

Quote from: J Arcane;227533It's share-and-share-alike, just like the Creative Commons license you linked to, but with considerable more legal backing and history.

Are you eating your own dogfood yet?

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;227573Are you eating your own dogfood yet?

What the fuck?

You know what, forget it.  If this actually goes anywhere beyond a bunch of internet rambling, you all can officially count me out of any contribution.

I'm sorry you're all so goddamn close minded you can't consider the potential in something like this, I really am.  And I'm especially sorry if you manage to drag down a game I enjoyed with this kind of attitude.  

I'm done.

Quote from: J Arcane;227583What the fuck?

*Shrug*

I don't see how it's a rude question.  One of the fundamental expectations of every other healthy GPL community, which is what you say you want, is that you practice before you preach.

You want a GPL discussion?  That question is part of the discussion you want.

Hi all,

I deleted some of my original post because I want to get straight to the point:

1.  I am very interested in contributing to a large group that purchases d6 (provided that it will allow us to publish material in d6, and not *require* that any of our setting material be made open).

2.  If anyone is forming a small group to make a bid for d6, I ask that you contact me.  I would be interested in joining a small group if that is the direction it goes...

3.  Provided we are able, I am hopeful to release a d6 version of our upcoming "Universe Project".  Many of you mention an interest in writing for d6... we will continue to hire freelance writers for that project (the pay isn't great, but we do pay cash upon delivery).

William
ComStar Games
http://www.comstar-games.com

Quote from: ComStar;227593Hi all,

I deleted some of my original post because I want to get straight to the point:

1.  I am very interested in contributing to a large group that purchases d6 (provided that it will allow us to publish material in d6, and not *require* that any of our setting material be made open).

2.  If anyone is forming a small group to make a bid for d6, I ask that you contact me.  I would be interested in joining a small group if that is the direction it goes...

3.  Provided we are able, I am hopeful to release a d6 version of our upcoming "Universe Project".  Many of you mention an interest in writing for d6... we will continue to hire freelance writers for that project (the pay isn't great, but we do pay cash upon delivery).

William
ComStar Games
http://www.comstar-games.com

William--

I've stated it before here, and we've talked about it before in PMs at the WEG boards, but you can count me in as a writer and editor.

Pax et bonum,

Dale Meier

So if we were going to talk numbers...  how much do people think the fundable project should set for the ransom amount for d6?  $5,000?

Perhaps we could have some bonus for anyone that pays up something like $500 or more (like a free copy of all the d6 system materials from the core books in either .doc or .rtf)?

William
ComStar

Quote from: ComStar;227635So if we were going to talk numbers...  how much do people think the fundable project should set for the ransom amount for d6?  $5,000?

Perhaps we could have some bonus for anyone that pays up something like $500 or more (like a free copy of all the d6 system materials from the core books in either .doc or .rtf)?

William
ComStar

This would be a factor for Eric to say, at least initially. Negotiation would be at the heart of such talks and not necessarily only set by Eric.  A lot would depend on any offers he is getting from other groups.

Bill

Okay..

This idea seems to be being talked about on a number of forums... it seems that we should all work together on it (since most of the fora seem to be having the same basic idea).  Then perhaps a 'spokesperson' could approach Eric with the idea?

Given Eric's previous interest in OpenD6, I think he may like this idea.

William

Quote from: ComStar;227639Okay..

This idea seems to be being talked about on a number of forums... it seems that we should all work together on it (since most of the fora seem to be having the same basic idea).  Then perhaps a 'spokesperson' could approach Eric with the idea?

Given Eric's previous interest in OpenD6, I think he may like this idea.

William

William,
I think Zach and Levi both have emails into Eric at this point. Some point in the distant middle of this thread and I think they mention it on the WEG thread. I just wonder if the folks on RPG.Net and EnWorld will be doing the same. I agree we should have one voice. Zach or Levi both seem quite capable of selling the idea so which ever is interested or has the time should run with it. I need to write about squirrels.

Bill

I also have time and am happy to assist in any way...

William
ComStar

As I mentioned over at WEG, I'm in for the Fundable project so long as it goes Public Domain.

Well I would be interested in helping out in some form, I have worked with the Avenger side of the Comstar pack and also with Cubicle 7 so could help out with things.

If there is a real serious interest in WEG then colour my interested.

Rog.