I'd play if offered, but probably wouldn't DM. I'm a world-builder who dislikes too many hard-coded setting assumptions, and while I can't say for sure without reading it, 4E doesn't seem as well suited to this approach as some other games.

Still like to have it on the shelf though.

No time soon, that's for sure - I've got a thousand other things to do that, currently, seem more important. However,

Quote from: PeteMy group will be day-1 purchasers and we'll be starting up a campaign in about a month.  The campaign would be sooner but the DM needs time to, like, read the rules and all that

Now Pete - him I'd play with....

Quote from: BalbinusFor what it's worth, your campaign is the only thing so far related to 4e that made me think "I'd play that".

Which is why I'm not a total no, but unless you're moving to London sometime soon...

And maybe not even then, not sure.

Thanks

I'm thinking of writing that setting up as a short pdf and selling it because of all the positive response. Probably along with a few short adventures set in the same setting. Like I said to Sett, it's up to us to reappropriate 4e for ourselves.

On the side that's all into 3x powergaming... we circled it from about ten or twenty feet away poking it with sticks for a while before figuring out the rules were impenetrable. Now we're closing in, curious and apprehensive, to figure out what it all means.

There'll be a first level game soon. One of the guys who doesn't usually DM has volunteered. Later, Dai (the guy who runs epic) will see if he can gut and rewrite the thing like he did for 3x. So we'll see.

On the side I run with the low-level games... one or two in my group are curious, and have suggested getting a copy of the core rules for the whole group. I wouldn't use it for the style of campaign I'm running now, nor the style of campaign I hope to run. But for wonky as hell mass melee dungeons I may try it out. Frankly, it's impossible to screw up a dungeon crawl (at least for me) regardless of the system.

So probably playing maybe running.

I won't be trying 4E.  I've thought 3.5 needed an overhaul, and I am okay with a new edition every 5 years or so, but I want gentle tweaks, no rampant overhauls.

4E is a rampant overhaul, and significantly changes the nature of the game.  Some of it comes very close to what I wanted.  the game is much more tactical now, and the combat now fully integrates miniatures.  That's good.  But it's not tactical in any real sense, there is no verisimilitude in the tactical play.  It's now a question of understanding real world tactics, but understanding very gamist tactics.  It's tactical in the the same way Magic: TG is tactical.  I have zero interest in that type of play.

Instead, I'll be joining the Pathfinder crowd.  Pathfinder is much closer to what i wanted 4E to be: a tweak, with some moderately ambitious changes, that is still highly compatible with 3.5, in much the same way 3.5 was mostly compatible with 3.0.

Quote from: JackalopeThat's good.  But it's not tactical in any real sense, there is no verisimilitude in the tactical play.  It's now a question of understanding real world tactics, but understanding very gamist tactics.  It's tactical in the the same way Magic: TG is tactical.  I have zero interest in that type of play.

That totally nails my feelings on it as well.  During my brief play of it last week, the group kept making jokes about "tapping" our powers.  The monster stat blocks all look like they were designed to go on cards as well.

As far back as when B9S was released, I was saying that WotC would be stupid, if they didn´t release Power-Cards.

I am not sure. I suppose I would like to try it. I am certainly curious and my quick brush with playing seems to indicate that the rules aren't bad. My only problem is... I have absolutely no clue what I would run with it. It fits no conception of any fantasy world I have in my head and that makes it very difficult for me.

My God! System DOES matter!

Won't buy it , won't run it but will play it at Gencon.

I was thinking about trying to do my best to break it at Gencon but decided if i did I would just be being an arse and life is too short.

Quote from: mhensleyThat totally nails my feelings on it as well.  During my brief play of it last week, the group kept making jokes about "tapping" our powers.  The monster stat blocks all look like they were designed to go on cards as well.

Man, I hope so.  That would ease GM preparation to no end.  You could throw together an encounter in seconds, just flip through your deck of cards and lay down an appropriate set on the table, and go.

Oh gracious.  That would make me a happy, happy camper.  Prep-time has long been one of the things keeping me from running D&D as an off-the-cuff "Let's do something" activity.  I would so, so love to see that equation reversed.

I actually feel totally like Tony in regards to the cards idea. And as best thing in PDF, or the individual cards as images, so you can drag, drop and print just what you want.

It would be awesome if there was a system that provides this, although in the case of 4E there's other stuff that puts me off.

The more 4e I read, the more I'm stricken with that same feeling that hits me when I'm reading previous d20 products. I see the classes and levels, and see artificial divisions. I see proficiencies, and think that "ability to use weapons" shouldn't be binary. I see rules based on "encounters" and other things with no independent existence in the game world. I see tiny gridded allotments of spells and abilities perfectly and finely tuned to make each character "balanced" with all others.

I want the characters to just be people, and what they do doesn't need to be compressed into a single archetype. I want graduated ability with skills, including weapons and spellcasting. I want the system to be a method for describing the setting, not the other way around. And I certainly don't care about "balance," because once you hand them to players, characters are innately unbalanced anyway; and besides, in real life, some people are just better at more things than other people.

So I look at 4e and say, "I don't want that." Then I look back at d20, which I play in both d20 Modern and D&D 3.5e, and say, "I don't want that, either."

I'll play 4e, if my group plays it. I think there are a lot of neat things, and a lot of stupid things we'll ignore. But in the end, what I want to play is Shadowrun 3.

Quote from: TonyLBMan, I hope so.  That would ease GM preparation to no end.  You could throw together an encounter in seconds, just flip through your deck of cards and lay down an appropriate set on the table, and go.

Oh gracious.  That would make me a happy, happy camper.  Prep-time has long been one of the things keeping me from running D&D as an off-the-cuff "Let's do something" activity.  I would so, so love to see that equation reversed.

You do know you could have done that with 3rd edition too by using the D&D minis cards, right?  In older editions it was even easier due to the lack of stats involved.  Here's your encounter - 7 kobolds : AC-7  Thac0-19 HD- 1/2 HP -2 and that's all you really need.

Quote from: mhensleyYou do know you could have done that with 3rd edition too by using the D&D minis cards, right?

I didn't actually know about the minis cards, no.  But then, I'm coming back to D&D after a fairly long hiatus.  What were these minis cards?  Were they readily available in packs large enough (and cheap enough) to be worth investing in?

'cuz I could totally go for receiving my Monster Manual for 4e as a deck of cards, and never having to bother with a book.

Advice: Don´t talk to Tony. He´s a shill and a liar.

He feigns interest, but is too lazy to find out the most basic things for himself.

He´s an infiltrator.