back when WFRP 1e came out, 40K was also getting started.  both would share the whole "incursions of chaos" idea, even having the big 4 (khorne, slaanesh, tzeentch, and nurgle) and their followers appear in both games.  

but 40K went on to say that basically, the elves/eldar had created slaanesh.  

do we then assume that WFRP is an alternate-earth, where some temporal vortex or the like brings slaanesh from the future, to alt-earth's wacky past?

maybe i just read too much into attempted metaplots.  (see also "earthdawn and shadowrun are in the same universe/timeline etc.")

I'm pretty sure the two worlds are intended (or at least were) as parallel worlds, one with the trappings of high fantasy, the other with the trappings of science fantasy.  In their earliest incarnations, the two settings were virtually interchangeable -- not identical as such, but with an almost one-for-one correspondence.

In short, no, I don't think that the world of Warhammer is supposed to give rise to the world of WH40K any more than it is supposed to give rise to the real Earth on which we live.

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I think 40k was at its best when it was the SAME setting as WFRP.

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Oh...it still is...they're just less upfront about it these days...For instance there was the Albion Campaign a few years back where all of the magic items were 40k wargear...

Even in the original 40K the 'same universe' backstory was hazy at best and has remained so, probably to allow different writers and designers to ramp up or down the sci-fi/magic aspects as dictated by GW marketing strategy (this year we'll have psychic wizards with bolter swords)

Although you had the Slann with, IIRC a fairly explicit link to the distant history of WFRP (Slann controlled many worlds then seeded them with slave races then declined) there were also a lot of 'parallel' world aspects rather than same universe - squats, ogryns and ratlings were explicitly an off-shoot of humanity rather than the result of Slann intervention. Also in the original WH40k game there were no chaos powers, just evil warp shit (and the game was better for it to be honest).

wait, now i'm totally fucking confused.  they weren't really the same universe before, just hinted, but now they are?  

when did this occur?

i only have WFRP 1e, and the original 40K book, for reference.  :what:  :confused:

In my mind Warhammer Fantasy will always be the past to 40k.  40,000 years in the past to be more exact.

Quote from: beeberwait, now i'm totally fucking confused.  they weren't really the same universe before, just hinted, but now they are?  

when did this occur?

i only have WFRP 1e, and the original 40K book, for reference.  :what:  :confused:

I think the confusion is deliberate. Probably they took the core successful elements and concepts to WH40k and then left the rest for inference. From my POV the same universe idea was supported mostly by the original timeline to WFRP which had an explicitly sci-fi origin with the Slann, warp gates and the 'explanation' that many of the races of WFRP were imported by the Slann. However as I say some elements of original WH40k didn't match up (like the originas of the squats and ogryns) although you could always fan wank this by saying that when the Slann settled warhammer world they tinkered with human genetics to create the dwarves, halflings and ogres

I suppose, in some ways, it'd be easier to explain that the world of WH40K gives rise to the world of Warhammer.  In fact, the world of Warhammer could just be a backwater of the Imperium.

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IIRC, one of the many, many explanatory rumors mentioned across the books was that WHFB world is actually just a planet somewhere in the 40K universe, but that for some wierd reason it was closed off from everywhere else.

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaI suppose, in some ways, it'd be easier to explain that the world of WH40K gives rise to the world of Warhammer.  In fact, the world of Warhammer could just be a backwater of the Imperium.

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i figured that would be the neatest--after all the carnage of 40K, in the further future, earth goes back to renaissance-era tech.  all hint of earlier technology, buildings, etc. are gone, maybe even swept away by some warp storm or the like.

Quote from: beeberi figured that would be the neatest--after all the carnage of 40K, in the further future, earth goes back to renaissance-era tech.  all hint of earlier technology, buildings, etc. are gone, maybe even swept away by some warp storm or the like.

I think the problem is that because of the confusion any statement will always require a degree of making stuff up to cover the differences. Besides that runs against my pet theory that the WFRP warp gates were some unique piece of technology that allowed direct access to the Warp in a way that would allow them to bypass the dangers therein, put together by the last gasp of the Slann who had taken the various non-chaos races from around the imperium. Although since their destruction/malfunction the ultimate victory of chaos is inevitable the residual affects allow the world of WFRP to be as it is, not degenerate into a world within the Eye of Terror