Quote from: SeanchaiPersonal attacks. In a thread you say amuses you. Clearly, clearly, something is upsetting you. Won't you please just tell us what it is so we can help you?

Seanchai

Quote from: XantherThe same applies to the description of others behaivor by third party observers.  

Of course. But a third party observer would hopefully be trained to weed out his or her preconceptions, etc., and, as a non-participant, wouldn't be subject to some of the pressures the participants are.

Quote from: XantherWhat are these negative social ramifications you speak of in a survey of RPG likes?

Not in a survey per se, but more in terms of stated versus revealed preferences.

A good example of what I'm talking would be ROLL-playing versus ROLE-playing. People start to talk about how they game and some dumbass will pop up with a comment about how their group ROLE-plays instead of ROLL-plays.

Quote from: XantherIn addition, you are skewing the original poll which was  focused on what you like or want (important to you , not important to you, etc.) than how you actually played.  So the whole interpretation of actual events problem does not exist in this data.  

To what poll are you refering?  

Quote from: XantherAre you saying in the case of RPGs people are particularily prone to not know what they really want so as to make this data worthless?

I'm not interested in preferences at all. I don't disagree that people have different stated preferences.

Quote from: XantherThis is not a poll about object reality but what people like and don't like in a game.

Again, what poll are you refering to? The discussion is about whether or not play styles exist. There hasn't been a poll that I'm aware of, just people reporting their behavior in this thread and pointing to the reports of behavior elsewhere...

Seanchai

Quote from: Christmas Ape

And now you're speechless, afraid your words will betray your inner emotions. Please, Ape, open up to us. We're all in this together.

Seanchai

Quote from: SeanchaiNo, that's your strawman.

You said

QuotePeople will state their behavior is different than it actually is, particularly if there are social ramifications or negatives attached to their actual behavior.

If that's not saying that people are either a) not telling the truth, or b) delusional, what is it saying?

QuoteThe people who investigate hauntings would say that they're experiences are firmly-rooted in the real world as well. They'll tell you that, beyond a doubt, they have repeatedly seen ghosts or experienced paranormal activity.

Sorry, your need to use the word "paranormal" pretty much negates any claims of "the real world."

QuoteYou're saying that when a number of people report something, it has to be true.

No. That's your strawman.

Quote from: SeanchaiTo what poll are you refering?  

Yet more proof you're not actually reading the thread.

Inaccurate self-image is hardly a difficult or controversial concept.  It's fascinating to me how determined some people are to disbelieve it's existence though.

Clearly you people need to get out more.  Start hanging around in bars a little more often or something.  Get in a few fights with a guy who thinks he's way tougher than he actually is, bang a cute chick who's convinced she's ugly, and point and laugh at a few wannabe gangstas.  

fuck people, it's not that difficult a concept to grasp for anyone who doesn't live in their mother's basement.

We're not talking about inaccurate self image, we're talking about "what did I do last Friday?" Most gamers can be trusted to know whether they played 20th level epic badasses or 1st level "make 8 characters and hope one survives". Likewise they'll know if their last character's death was permanent or just need a resurrection band-aid. Or any of the other playstyle differences that have been pointed to in this thread.

Saying "every first person report is useless because we can't trust gamers to know what they did last weekend" smacks of having gotten over your head in an internet debate and being too afraid to admit it. Well, that or just being a retard.

Quote from: J ArcaneInaccurate self-image is hardly a difficult or controversial concept.  It's fascinating to me how determined some people are to disbelieve it's existence though.

Clearly you people need to get out more.  Start hanging around in bars a little more often or something.  Get in a few fights with a guy who thinks he's way tougher than he actually is, bang a cute chick who's convinced she's ugly, and point and laugh at a few wannabe gangstas.  

fuck people, it's not that difficult a concept to grasp for anyone who doesn't live in their mother's basement.

I suppose your self-image as a "man of the world" telling all the nerds on the gaming forum to get a life is an entirely accurate one? :haw:

I brought up playing with a GM screen or not as a an objective possiblity of differing playstyles and it was compared to chasing the Loch Ness Monster or some such nonsense. That's not a particularly difficult concept to grasp either. Do you not believe that some groups play with miniatures and some don't without a neutral party telling you so (one of the differences between groups according to WOTC data)? I mean seriously, WTF?

Honestly, if people are lying about the way they play RPGs to impress some nerds they don't know then they aren't thinking big enough. At least make up some lies that make you seem cool. Like stories about getting in bar fights and having sex with girls. Sound familiar?

Dude, I once got in a bar fight while having sex with a girl! No wait, two girls! And they were sexy!

"Red Leader, Red Leader, this is Red Eight.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, repeat, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?"

Quote from: James McMurrayDude, I once got in a bar fight while having sex with a girl! No wait, two girls! And they were sexy!

who are you, koltar?

Quote from: beeberwho are you, koltar?

Nope. We used real world physics instead of GURPs to resolve the fight.

Quote from: James McMurrayNope. We used real world physics instead of GURPs to resolve the fight.

But...

But...


GURPS is teh moast.realistic.Game.Evah!

Quote from: Old Geezer"Red Leader, Red Leader, this is Red Eight.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, repeat, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?"

Word, QFT and all that jazz.

Quote from: James McMurrayNope. We used real world physics instead of GURPs to resolve the fight.

Okay, smarty-pants, but which system did you use to resolve the sex?

!i!