Quote from: HappyDaze on May 09, 2025, 01:19:51 AM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on May 08, 2025, 11:19:22 AM

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Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on May 08, 2025, 10:59:43 AMIn any case, Daniel Fox created a retro-clone of a game. He functionally created an imperfect copy of a game. Then he tried to prevent people from downloading a copy of his imperfect copy of a game without paying for it.

And that's weird perfectly normal.

FTFY

Ok. It might be "perfectly normal", but "normal" or not.....it's still weird.

Hey! I have an idea.

Perhaps I should create a retro-clone of the Zweihander rpg, which is already a retro-clone of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. Then I'll hunt down the people who illegally download it. Yeah! I'll hunt down the people who are downloading (illegally, and without paying for it!) copies of an imperfect copy of another imperfect copy of a game that is owned by a multi-billion dollar corporation that is receiving ESG investment capital from trillion dollar giant asset management firms.

And then later on, someone else can create a retro-clone of my retro-clone, which is a retro-clone of Daniel Fox's retro-clone. By the way, I don't know where I'm going with all this...

Did he hunt down people, or just work to shut down a site that illegally shared the files? If the latter, then that's not too unusual either.

He went full Al Gore and declared himself the sole reason for the site's demise. He wanted attention and he got it.

As for the question about originality and new campaigns, Zweihander has little to offer in this area afaik, and it's one of the complaints about the system. They released like a 25 page book that was supposed to encompass all of 40K as a sort of add-on and it just felt like a money grab to me.

Quote from: HappyDaze on May 09, 2025, 01:19:51 AM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on May 08, 2025, 11:19:22 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on May 08, 2025, 11:03:49 AM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on May 08, 2025, 10:59:43 AMIn any case, Daniel Fox created a retro-clone of a game. He functionally created an imperfect copy of a game. Then he tried to prevent people from downloading a copy of his imperfect copy of a game without paying for it.

And that's weird perfectly normal.

FTFY

Ok. It might be "perfectly normal", but "normal" or not.....it's still weird.

Hey! I have an idea.

Perhaps I should create a retro-clone of the Zweihander rpg, which is already a retro-clone of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. Then I'll hunt down the people who illegally download it. Yeah! I'll hunt down the people who are downloading (illegally, and without paying for it!) copies of an imperfect copy of another imperfect copy of a game that is owned by a multi-billion dollar corporation that is receiving ESG investment capital from trillion dollar giant asset management firms.

And then later on, someone else can create a retro-clone of my retro-clone, which is a retro-clone of Daniel Fox's retro-clone. By the way, I don't know where I'm going with all this...

Did he hunt down people, or just work to shut down a site that illegally shared the files? If the latter, then that's not too unusual either.

All of this is making me want to create an actual retro-clone of Zweihander, just for the "lulz". If someone did that, I wonder how Fox would react...

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on May 09, 2025, 10:26:14 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on May 09, 2025, 01:19:51 AM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on May 08, 2025, 11:19:22 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on May 08, 2025, 11:03:49 AM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on May 08, 2025, 10:59:43 AMIn any case, Daniel Fox created a retro-clone of a game. He functionally created an imperfect copy of a game. Then he tried to prevent people from downloading a copy of his imperfect copy of a game without paying for it.

And that's weird perfectly normal.

FTFY

Ok. It might be "perfectly normal", but "normal" or not.....it's still weird.

Hey! I have an idea.

Perhaps I should create a retro-clone of the Zweihander rpg, which is already a retro-clone of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. Then I'll hunt down the people who illegally download it. Yeah! I'll hunt down the people who are downloading (illegally, and without paying for it!) copies of an imperfect copy of another imperfect copy of a game that is owned by a multi-billion dollar corporation that is receiving ESG investment capital from trillion dollar giant asset management firms.

And then later on, someone else can create a retro-clone of my retro-clone, which is a retro-clone of Daniel Fox's retro-clone. By the way, I don't know where I'm going with all this...

Did he hunt down people, or just work to shut down a site that illegally shared the files? If the latter, then that's not too unusual either.

All of this is making me want to create an actual retro-clone of Zweihander, just for the "lulz". If someone did that, I wonder how Fox would react...

Probably with far more effort than you'd use to promote your product. The guy's a tool, but he's a hard-working tool.

After creating a few characters, and messing around with the game some already; I can say that I do like the purity of rolling percentile dice.

Instead of a 1 in 6 chance, a 3 in 8 chance, or a 13 in 20 chance, etc.

You get finite % chances of success, right up front.  You have a 37% chance of success.  Roll a 37 or under, to succeed.

Natural math, that's easy to teach.  Your ability score, is pretty much your target number too.  (Aside from GM adjustments to the target number needed, etc.)

Danny would lose his shit if somebody made a clone of Zwei and that's funny as hell as a concept.

Quote from: D-ko on May 09, 2025, 03:24:20 PMDanny would lose his shit if somebody made a clone of Zwei and that's funny as hell as a concept.

All the more reason to do it.

Quote from: D-ko on May 09, 2025, 03:24:20 PMDanny would lose his shit if somebody made a clone of Zwei and that's funny as hell as a concept.

Call it Zweitgeist, the RPG.

Of all the possible criticisms of Mr Fox's behavior, creating a retroclone is as meaningless as it gets, especially on a site which embraces a more OSR culture.

Making a retroclone is fine. Refusing to ever cite inspiration and becoming a draconian internet guardian of all things book-related while injecting DEI into all your materials at any given opportunity and laughing at everyone else in the process is what did him in. It doesn't help that none of the extra books really seemed to actually add much useful to his corebook, especially at the price-points.

Zweihander Reforged is available in PDF now:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/501175/zweihander-rpg-reforged-edition-core-rulebook

Quote from: JanDevries on May 14, 2025, 05:10:58 PMZweihander Reforged is available in PDF now:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/501175/zweihander-rpg-reforged-edition-core-rulebook

30 dollars for a pdf?!

He's got brass balls; I'll give him that.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on May 14, 2025, 06:11:24 PM

Quote from: JanDevries on May 14, 2025, 05:10:58 PMZweihander Reforged is available in PDF now:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/501175/zweihander-rpg-reforged-edition-core-rulebook

30 dollars for a pdf?!

He's got brass balls; I'll give him that.

If you buy it from his own website you can use BLACKBIRDS at the checkout to get it for $10, just a friendly note

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on May 14, 2025, 06:11:24 PM

Quote from: JanDevries on May 14, 2025, 05:10:58 PMZweihander Reforged is available in PDF now:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/501175/zweihander-rpg-reforged-edition-core-rulebook

30 dollars for a pdf?!

He's got brass balls; I'll give him that.

It is 571 pages. Considering that a lot of titles are 192 pages (or less), I've often paid 1/2 that much for 1/3 that much material.

Quote from: shoplifter on May 14, 2025, 07:12:26 PM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on May 14, 2025, 06:11:24 PM

Quote from: JanDevries on May 14, 2025, 05:10:58 PMZweihander Reforged is available in PDF now:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/501175/zweihander-rpg-reforged-edition-core-rulebook

30 dollars for a pdf?!

He's got brass balls; I'll give him that.

If you buy it from his own website you can use BLACKBIRDS at the checkout to get it for $10, just a friendly note

See, that's a better price-point and honestly worth it there. The corebook itself used to be $35 on Amazon but I guess that was years ago.

Just wanted to say it's nice seeing a fellow A-ko fan. I'm sure you're aware of the tabletop rpg, but I'm still looking for scans of the cards. I own a used copy of the book even, but it didn't have the cards with it.

Some people have a really hard time, separating the creation, from the creator.

It's like people search for something to hate on, all the time.  When the creator is long dead and gone, used copies will still be around. Maybe then, people will check out the creation?

I'm not just speaking specifically, about this particular creation.  Either the product is useful, or it isn't.

There are people who don't like Pundit, for instance; and they wouldn't dare give his creations a chance.  It's ok to look at stuff, and see what you think.  Find usable bits and pieces.  Take something from it.