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It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become

Started by Monero, January 01, 2023, 11:02:49 AM

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hedgehobbit

Quote from: Monero on January 01, 2023, 11:02:49 AMI honestly feel like it's back in the 80s and 90s when the Right wing Christians would go absolutely nuts if you dared expressed ideas that went outside of their rhetoric.

The difference is that back then, the people screeching about RPGs were outsiders. Once you got into a group of gamers, all that disappeared. But now, the primary people pushing The Messsge are gamers themselves so there is no way to escape them

Which is why the only new players I allow in my game are people who have never played RPGs before. It is the only way to be sure.

Grognard GM

Quote from: hedgehobbit on January 02, 2023, 08:17:04 AM
Quote from: Monero on January 01, 2023, 11:02:49 AMI honestly feel like it's back in the 80s and 90s when the Right wing Christians would go absolutely nuts if you dared expressed ideas that went outside of their rhetoric.

The difference is that back then, the people screeching about RPGs were outsiders. Once you got into a group of gamers, all that disappeared. But now, the primary people pushing The Messsge are gamers themselves so there is no way to escape them

Which is why the only new players I allow in my game are people who have never played RPGs before. It is the only way to be sure.

They're still outsiders though. None of them are actual dyed-in-the-wool gamers, they're ideologues riding a fad. There's not a one of them that would have called themselves an RPG gamer when the intro to the hobby used to be a middle aged man with a dusty boxed set, and a strange funk.

What we're seeing is equivalent to if the church ladies and evangelical preachers had started playing D&D, so they could destroy it from within.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

Dracones

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on January 01, 2023, 05:30:32 PM
Over on RPGNet, most of the sympathy is with Jason Vey for being "censored." I can understand the position, even if I don't necessarily agree with it (I suspect he would have been fine if he hadn't brought race and class into it), but I wonder how many of TLG's critics would have taken, say, Gina Carano's side against the Infernal Mouse?

The one guy that was sympathetic towards TLG in that thread was permanently banned for sharing his viewpoint. The problem I found with RPGNet years ago was you pretty much had to walk on egg shells unless you expressed an opinion that was 100% in line with the moderators' politics. Most of the woke crowd seems to be like this, ban any dissenting opinions until it's a ridiculous echo chamber of thought.

Watching a free society/community dance into satanic panic/soviet union levels of speech suppression has been darkly fascinating to watch happen in real time.

tenbones

Many of us here were on RPGnet since the jump. I think I was on in 2001/2002... so when all this bullshit started years ago it was pretty eye-opening.

I'm long over it. But when I got drop-kicked out, those were some fiery days of Nerdzerking. I pretty much laugh at all the fools there. It's like watching virtual Black Adder and Keystone Cops on Crack.

It amuses me that they're effectively LARPing-by-post in this metarpg called "Virtual Gulag: Thank you, They. May I have Another!"

Armchair Gamer

Goblinoid Games has posted a policy that seems to sum up the next phase: "Certain controversial issues are not 'political', but Fundamental Human Rights, and you cannot disagree with us without being a Bad Person:" (Source: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/troll-lord-games-in-no-politics-imbroglio.905957/post-24639623)

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Goblinoid Games' Statement on Politics
I know what you're thinking, "Man, not another ham-fisted statement about politics by a game publisher." Please bear with me.
This is a big discussion with much more nuance than I can capture here. I also don't claim to fully grasp all of the nuance, we can all keep learning. But what I want to say is that there are too many issues dismissed as "politics" to shut down discussion and opinions as if there are two legitimate sides to all of these issues.
What I mean by that is, for example, something like whether we should tax gas at the pump or wrap it into vehicle registration. So in that sense, yes, Goblinoid Games (me) isn't interested in discussing that kind of politics at the game table (though let's face it, game table banter often does stray afield of the task at hand!).
But often what people write off as "merely" politics are actually human rights issues. In that regard, I think those considerations should be taken into account where appropriate.
What that looks like in practice is working to not perpetuate or reinforce lies, bigotry, homophobia etc. To not contribute to the public and systemic forces and beliefs that strive to grind classes of people below an authoritarian boot.
So when I say trans men are men and trans women are women, or black lives matter, I'm not making a political statement. I'm acknowledging that every person should have the freedom to be who they feel they truly are. Or to not be systematically degraded so that society views some people as lesser or inferior.
Because when we refuse to openly discuss those issues we turn a blind eye to the reinforcing behavior that erodes the dignity from people and makes them feel unsafe and rejected by society. Brushing these topics aside because you don't want to tackle them or be self reflective is the same as saying you're content to perpetuate ideas that seek to hurt people. Kill people even. To keep people afraid and uncertain of their places in the world.
Therefore I encourage discussion when these issues come to the foreground, and I hope if I make any missteps people will correct me and I can learn something. Above all I want everyone to know that you are safe here and that I have your back in every way that's in my power. You are valued no matter who you are. You are valued because you are who you are. Human diversity is a beautiful thing when we can embrace it. We should enjoy that richness and enjoy each other.
Thanks for your time.
Dan

Brad

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on January 02, 2023, 09:56:00 AM
Goblinoid Games has posted a policy that seems to sum up the next phase: "Certain controversial issues are not 'political', but Fundamental Human Rights, and you cannot disagree with us without being a Bad Person:" (Source: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/troll-lord-games-in-no-politics-imbroglio.905957/post-24639623)

Pathetic.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

zer0th

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But often what people write off as "merely" politics are actually human rights issues. In that regard, I think those considerations should be taken into account where appropriate.
What that looks like in practice is working to not perpetuate or reinforce lies, bigotry, homophobia etc. To not contribute to the public and systemic forces and beliefs that strive to grind classes of people below an authoritarian boot.
So when I say trans men are men and trans women are women, or black lives matter, I'm not making a political statement. I'm acknowledging that every person should have the freedom to be who they feel they truly are. Or to not be systematically degraded so that society views some people as lesser or inferior.

What you say is opinion (politics), what I say is fact.

PulpHerb

Quote from: Warlock on January 02, 2023, 03:01:21 AM
Yes, that one. I'm not saying he was wrong to voice his opinion, but that twit was downright insulting and I'm not suprised it got attention of Stephen Chenault. Jason was politely asked not to engage in the political/controversial topics while his account is obviously connected to TLG (alternatively he could delete all the links to TLG from his profile and continue voicing his opinion on whatever topic he wants). That's pretty straightforward company policy.

This was, however, not the reason why the hate came down on TLG. It is the statement that they want to remain apolitical and focused on games that caught the fire. I suspect some left wing content creator was behind this attack - most of the negative replies were coming from people that don't even follow TLG, have BLM in their profiles, and came there solely on the purpose of causing more drama.

If you go to the RPGnet you will find a now trending topic on TLG. Hypocrisy there is worth the read. I can bet they would approve TLG if Jason Vey has spoke against vaccines publicly and got silenced by the associated company. More - they would demand him fired.

Ah. I say Jason's initial tweet, wondered when he became such a dick (I have a lot of his stuff and have enjoyed it and his commentary), and moved on.

Then I saw the TLG statement and figured it was in response (didn't see him asking Jason to pipe down and/or sever from TLG).

I know TLG enough to not have thought just because Jason wrote from them he was stating TLG policy, but others might not I guess so the request wasn't unreasonable. Similar to Alterna's "no block bot" policy if you are promoting books published throw them...you could block individuals but not by association with "bad" people.

PulpHerb

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 02, 2023, 03:23:31 AM
Quote from: PulpHerb on January 01, 2023, 08:35:54 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on January 01, 2023, 01:09:25 PM
Dear readers, for a laugh, give this a try. Google some rpg question, then check your results. Each hit has a handy part of a paragraph, showing you how that particular site may be discussing your relevant query. Except the RPG.net hit is just spouting "current thing" stances, no info!

Even better, for the three I just tried TBP didn't even show up despite scrolling to at least 30 entries.

Yeah, it only really works for older games, or D&D  ;D

These were 3 5e questions. I wonder if all those pop-ups are disrupting the SEO. Would be some pretty karma.

tenbones

LOL what a bunch of losers.

So for Goblinoid Games they get to be the sole dispensers of what is "political" and their made-up Human Rights are non-negotiable? LOL

PulpHerb

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on January 02, 2023, 09:56:00 AM
Goblinoid Games has posted a policy that seems

to say "please eat me last".

Which is really the way to sell LL 2nd Edition.

Rob Necronomicon

Quote from: Monero on January 01, 2023, 11:02:49 AM
and rpgpub

Actually, I'll have to disagree with you on the pub sadly. I was banned for basically going 'against the grain' and supporting TDM's Mythic Polynesian release. Now, I did start trolling one mod, but that was only in retaliation for being thread banned and having my posts deleted.

Bun in general the folks who post there are very cool (with the exception of one or two bell-ends).



Chris24601

Quote from: tenbones on January 02, 2023, 10:30:44 AM
LOL what a bunch of losers.

So for Goblinoid Games they get to be the sole dispensers of what is "political" and their made-up Human Rights are non-negotiable? LOL
Note that freedom of religion is apparently NOT a human right to these people as you are not allowed to believe what nearly every traditional religion teaches about the nature of humanity and reality without being canceled by the whack jobs*.

* I was recently told by a friend I respect that we should stop calling them "woke" because they're not awake to anything... they're whack (as in "out of..."; insane, unable to process reality). I agree and shall henceforth be referring to them as the "Whack."


Rob Necronomicon

"So when I say trans men are men and trans women are women, or black lives matter"

But how is any of this relevant to an RPG game?

Now, if people want to address this in THEIR games that's fine and it's none of my business.

But if I don't want to 'discuss or ignore' certain elements in MY elf-game I somehow don't agree with human rights? Where's the logic in that?

Well, first of all, I say get fucked for being so rude and secondly, I say fucking prove it. I'll wait....

Grognard GM

There's an old British sitcom, and the theme song has a line "catch the penny, but missing the pound." Seems like modern companies are chasing cents, while actively throwing away dollars.

"We're the most inclusive we've ever been!"*

*Inclusivity does not include Men, whites, heterosexuals, Republicans, gamers, TERF's, or anyone not signing this week's manifesto pledge.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/