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Will we look back, and view the 5.0 to One D&D transition.....

Started by Jam The MF, September 30, 2022, 11:06:01 PM

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Shrieking Banshee

#15
October 01, 2022, 05:00:15 PM
I already hate 5e. Im at grognard point (despite not being a OD&D grognard) looking at the gorgnards that have given it a pass with a sneer.

The changes seem some of the most minor superficial junk ever.

Jam The MF

#16
October 01, 2022, 10:08:29 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 01, 2022, 02:45:51 PM
...as one with very little change, further degradation of art quality, and yet wildly successful.

All input is welcome.
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

FingerRod

#17
October 02, 2022, 08:07:53 AM
Quote from: Jam The MF on October 01, 2022, 10:08:29 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 01, 2022, 02:45:51 PM
...as one with very little change, further degradation of art quality, and yet wildly successful.

All input is welcome.

I'm not sure that it is. If you're going to quote me, then nut up and say what you mean.

Jam The MF

#18
October 02, 2022, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 02, 2022, 08:07:53 AM
Quote from: Jam The MF on October 01, 2022, 10:08:29 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 01, 2022, 02:45:51 PM
...as one with very little change, further degradation of art quality, and yet wildly successful.

All input is welcome.

I'm not sure that it is. If you're going to quote me, then nut up and say what you mean.


This is a prediction thread.  Your prediction is another possible outcome.  We don't have to echo each other. 

I suppose I don't agree that there will be very little change.  I believe it will be worthy of its own edition designation, whether WOTC gives it one or not.  Half of the current player base, will just accept the "new" without question.  The other half will scratch their heads, and ask why WOTC changed what they changed. 

WOTC will say that D&D is whatever they say it is, because they own D&D.  The OSR fan base, will march on regardless.
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

FingerRod

#19
October 02, 2022, 12:02:30 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on October 02, 2022, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 02, 2022, 08:07:53 AM
Quote from: Jam The MF on October 01, 2022, 10:08:29 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on October 01, 2022, 02:45:51 PM
...as one with very little change, further degradation of art quality, and yet wildly successful.

All input is welcome.

I'm not sure that it is. If you're going to quote me, then nut up and say what you mean.


This is a prediction thread.  Your prediction is another possible outcome.  We don't have to echo each other. 

I suppose I don't agree that there will be very little change.  I believe it will be worthy of its own edition designation, whether WOTC gives it one or not.  Half of the current player base, will just accept the "new" without question.  The other half will scratch their heads, and ask why WOTC changed what they changed. 

WOTC will say that D&D is whatever they say it is, because they own D&D.  The OSR fan base, will march on regardless.

There ya go, bro. Now this is something I can respond to.

Yeah, it will remain to be seen on the change front. So far you could run any 5e adventure using the playtest rules and be just fine. Time will tell if they spin it up enough that it turns into a true edition. I think it will be rather vanilla, squeezing another 10 years out of a design that already has 10 successful years in the bag by launch.

The art hasn't been good for years now, so that was a safe prediction on my point.

And my best guess is that this new edition will fly off the shelves. This will be the first they they are launching a new edition in this type of market. The brand has never been bigger.

VengerSatanis

#20
October 02, 2022, 01:56:02 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on September 30, 2022, 11:06:01 PM
With similar angst, as to how we look back and view the 3.0 to 3.5 transition? 

It's just more stuff for the game you already own, and not really compatible?

Perhaps 5.0 is the true spiritual successor to 3.0?

Weirdly, 5th edition is more like 2.5, then 3rd, 3.5, and 4th edition will probably be the closest version to mirror One D&D. 

Crusader X

#21
October 02, 2022, 02:04:17 PM
I like 5e.  I won't give a dime to WotC due to their wokeness.

If a non-woke company does to 5e what Piazo did to 3.5 with Pathfinder, I wonder how popular that would be. I would check it out.

VengerSatanis

#22
October 02, 2022, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: Crusader X on October 02, 2022, 02:04:17 PM
I like 5e.  I won't give a dime to WotC due to their wokeness.

If a non-woke company does to 5e what Piazo did to 3.5 with Pathfinder, I wonder how popular that would be. I would check it out.

I did that, to a degree, and then cut out the 95% of the ruleset that was unnecessary.  It's called Crimson Dragon Slayer D20, and it's FREE!!!

Ghostmaker

#23
October 02, 2022, 06:48:54 PM
One of the things that, in my opinion, damaged 3E badly and continues to haunt PF1E was the skill system.

Way, way too fucking many skills, and not NEAR enough skill points.

Effete

#24
October 02, 2022, 06:59:52 PM
Quote from: Crusader X on October 02, 2022, 02:04:17 PM
I like 5e.  I won't give a dime to WotC due to their wokeness.

If a non-woke company does to 5e what Piazo did to 3.5 with Pathfinder, I wonder how popular that would be. I would check it out.

As a system, I don't mind 5e. I just don't like the power creep and bloat.

I had thought about taking the 5e SRD, stripping out feats, and slimming down the classes to just 3 or 4.  I might not need to though if Venger already did that.

Crusader X

#25
October 02, 2022, 07:31:46 PM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 02, 2022, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: Crusader X on October 02, 2022, 02:04:17 PM
I like 5e.  I won't give a dime to WotC due to their wokeness.

If a non-woke company does to 5e what Piazo did to 3.5 with Pathfinder, I wonder how popular that would be. I would check it out.

I did that, to a degree, and then cut out the 95% of the ruleset that was unnecessary.  It's called Crimson Dragon Slayer D20, and it's FREE!!!

I think Crimson Dragon Slayer D20 is great!  8)   So much so that I actually created a very basic character sheet for it today, in anticipation of introducing the game to my gaming group soon.

I wouldn't really compare it to 5e though.  I guess you can say its a very very very light version of 5e, but I consider CDS to be its own thing.  I would expect a Paizo'ed version of 5e to be an extremely different beast.

Theory of Games

#26
October 02, 2022, 08:07:02 PM
You feel real angst from WOTC? Get help.

It's a game like UNO. If your experiencing real.emotional issues from what a game company does ---

Find a friend.

You're too dailed in. Find something else to do inbetween gaming.
TTRPGs are just games. Friends are forever.

Zelen

#27
October 02, 2022, 09:14:21 PM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 02, 2022, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: Crusader X on October 02, 2022, 02:04:17 PM
I like 5e.  I won't give a dime to WotC due to their wokeness.

If a non-woke company does to 5e what Piazo did to 3.5 with Pathfinder, I wonder how popular that would be. I would check it out.

I did that, to a degree, and then cut out the 95% of the ruleset that was unnecessary.  It's called Crimson Dragon Slayer D20, and it's FREE!!!

CrimsonDragonSlayerD20 is cool, but I agree with CrusaderX that it's not exactly what I'd think of as a Pathfinder'd 5E.

As someone who has been toying with the idea of Pathfinder'd 5E, what I often find is that it's difficult to limit the scope of changes. There's a lot of problems that 5E has that get papered over simply because it's the 500lb gorilla brand. But once you start pulling the strings you end up with something different enough that the existing playerbase won't see it the same.

I guess the solution is probably the Paizo approach: Do a clone, then in your next edition you do your own thing.

Tasty_Wind

#28
October 03, 2022, 09:35:14 AM
I imagine that 1D&D will be "backwards-compatible" with 5E material, at least in concept, but in practice it will be completely unbalanced to the point of it feeling like they didn't even bother to play test it.
5E already suffers from Race, Class, and Subclass bloat, and it seems 1D&D is just codifying that and "pushing the splinter deeper".

Chris24601

#29
October 03, 2022, 10:37:43 AM
Quote from: Tasty_Wind on October 03, 2022, 09:35:14 AM
I imagine that 1D&D will be "backwards-compatible" with 5E material, at least in concept, but in practice it will be completely unbalanced to the point of it feeling like they didn't even bother to play test it.
5E already suffers from Race, Class, and Subclass bloat, and it seems 1D&D is just codifying that and "pushing the splinter deeper".
One man's "bloat" is another man's "necessary features."

What's especially annoying about the "bloat" argument is it invariably defines bloat as  "every player option that isn't the Tolkein Cargo Cult + Moses the Vampire Hunter."

Not everyone wants to play a LotR fanfic expy.
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