Quote from: jhkim on November 10, 2021, 05:05:33 PM
Here are some more recent literary examples:

"Who is in love with her? Who makes you their confidant?" — Jane Austen, in Emma (1815)

"A person can't help their birth." — Rosalind, in William Makepeace Thackeray, Vanity Fair (1848)

"But how can you talk with a person if they always say the same thing?" ― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass (1871)

"Nobody in their senses would give sixpence on the strength of a promissory note of the kind." — Lord Landsdowne in The Liberal Magazine (1914)

"She kept her head and kicked her shoes off, as everybody ought to do who falls into deep water in their clothes." — C.S. Lewis, in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (1952)

An even  more recent example:
"It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again." - Jame "Buffalo Bill" Gumb (1991)

QuoteI am a PAYING CUSTOMER. The fucking con is there to serve me. If they are seeking to provide a service to the public--in this case a game convention--but which is similar to any other market service, and such a participant or business has policies that I FIND INSULTING AND OFFENSIVE? Oh, hell fucking no! You damned right I am going to fucking BITCH ABOUT IT!

Just like I would write up a scathing online review of a restaurant or hotel. Just like when I have gotten shitty service on occasion from restaurants, guess what? I get the manager front and fucking center, and break them the fuck down. And if the management doesn't fucking hop to it and make me satisfied,--guess what then? I make a personal phone call to the fucking company and speak to a VP or some other executive, who I GUARANTEE will make me fucking happy, and jackhammer the stupid fucking employee that thought they could freely and willy-nily insult me, offend me, and ignore me.

Well yes, only... not.
Because dear SHARK, you knew what you are getting into. Especially if you get free con pass as a reward for your GMing.
If you go to woke con, and then gonna bitch about it's wokeness, then as much as I despise woke, you deserve being kicked out. It's like going to Mexican restaurant, order chicken in mango-habanero souce, and then be angry it was very spicy (twice).

And if Goodman Games are woke from the very top, I'm quite sure even executives will tell you "to fuck yourself, you alt-right warmonger nazi" or something like that.

QuoteI don't fucking think so.

Guess what happens when a business offends more people? They go fucking BROKE.

It's a general rule inside business, that when ONE CUSTOMER is OFFENDED, they will effect 10 additional customers, at a minimum. SUCCESSFUL companies and businesses take these kinds of things very seriously.

Damn right I am going to fucking bitch about it. And I will tell lots of my friends about it, too. I'll make sure word gets around real good.

Yeah, but so for woke RPG projects are able to get quite good cash of wokesters, and my general take of active and vocal RPG players in Anglosphere is very much turned towards left. So... I doubt they would care, about it. Not with generation Z paying them from their sorry ass wages.

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 13, 2021, 05:27:14 PM

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Quote from: HappyDaze on November 13, 2021, 08:16:00 AM
Ok, for the con game, play/run by con rules. No big deal. For your own games, in your own spaces, run how you (and your players) like. This isn't really hard to understand.

You have a point, if at a con, play/run by the con's rules. But fuck beans, have you read the rules?

• safety tools
• the requirement to routinely reaffirm pronouns
• the requirement to routinely check-in to affirm enthusiastic agreement of game development
• "Dungeon Con Online prioritizes marginalized people's safety over privileged people's comfort."
• "Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of 'reverse' -isms, including 'reverse racism,' 'reverse sexism,' and 'cisphobia'." So if you are white and black person calls you a "cracker", you can just fuck right off.
• The Star Chamber Enforcement & Consequences process. Looks like they took a page out of the Obama era Title IX playbook

Last con I went to was in 2004. I didn't much care for it, and since I prefer home/private games and can shop either online or through local store (the two overlap somewhat in central Florida), I've never felt much desire to go to another con. If I did, I would read the rules (and yes, those rules would push me back towards not wanting to go). If for some reason I still decided to go there and run a game, then I'd follow the rules just like I follow rules at work that I may not entirely agree with.

Sounds like we are in agreement. Must be a sign of the coming end of days.   

I lived in Central Florida/Orlando in the long, long ago. Did you ever patronize Enterprise 1701?

Back when it was by the Naval Training Center and again after thr move. Then they became sci-fi city and things went downhill.

I went there when it was on Mills and Colonial, before they moved to by the Navel Training Center. It's where I purchased pretty much all of my RPG stuff back in the long, long, ago.

Quote from: SHARK on November 13, 2021, 01:27:02 PM


Greetings!

Right right, Rob!

I remember my early experiences going to cons in the 80's and 90's. They basically hadthree spoken--or nspoken rules.

(1) Obey the Laws
(2) Don't be a Dick
(3) No fucking anywhere outside of your hotel room.

It boggles me that so many game conventions are turning into fucking cesspools of hatred and absolute stupidity.

Indeed Shark! What more do you need? It's all about a bit of 'cop on' and common sense.

As you say, if was fine back then. And if there was a problem (which would be rare) the convention could deal with it there and then. No biggie... the games go on and everyone just has fun.

But now, they are being infiltrated by adult bed wetters and the cons can't roll over quick enough to lick their asses. 

Quote from: dkabq on November 13, 2021, 06:07:11 PM
I went there when it was on Mills and Colonial, before they moved to by the Navel Training Center. It's where I purchased pretty much all of my RPG stuff back in the long, long, ago.

I remember getting my copy of Game Design Vol. 1: Theory and Practice by SJG there way back when I was a teenager.  I also used to go to the location by the navy base every time my unit went there for training which was pretty often.  Ahh... the memories of a time when it was fun to go to the game store instead of now when it is all bland and disappointing.  I can't even remember the last time I actually bought something at one. 

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Quote from: jhkim on November 10, 2021, 05:05:33 PM
...Trimmed...

An even  more recent example:
"It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again." - Jame "Buffalo Bill" Gumb (1991)

Pretty big difference between using they/their for a singular referent rather than to refer to an unknown referent. It's dishonest to suggest that these are the same thing.

Quote from: DocJones on November 13, 2021, 05:35:21 PM

Quote from: jhkim on November 10, 2021, 05:05:33 PM
Here are some more recent literary examples:

"Who is in love with her? Who makes you their confidant?" — Jane Austen, in Emma (1815)

"A person can't help their birth." — Rosalind, in William Makepeace Thackeray, Vanity Fair (1848)

"But how can you talk with a person if they always say the same thing?" ― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass (1871)

"Nobody in their senses would give sixpence on the strength of a promissory note of the kind." — Lord Landsdowne in The Liberal Magazine (1914)

"She kept her head and kicked her shoes off, as everybody ought to do who falls into deep water in their clothes." — C.S. Lewis, in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (1952)

An even  more recent example:
"It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again." - Jame "Buffalo Bill" Gumb (1991)

An excelent example of the dehumanizing language used by sick psychos.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 13, 2021, 10:25:23 AM

Quote from: dkabq on November 13, 2021, 10:11:17 AM
Why should the DM have to leave their game because of one Jabroni is not affirming "enthusiastic agreement of game development"? Just that situation occurring is a CoC violation that could lead to you being sanctioned or expelled from the con.

"Anyone who violates this Code of Conduct may be sanctioned or expelled from Dungeon Con Online at the discretion of the Dungeon Con Online Admin team."

  Depends on the Identity/Ideology of the complainants:

Quote from: Dungeon Con Online Code of Conduct
Dungeon Con Online prioritizes marginalized people's safety over privileged people's comfort.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of 'reverse' -isms, including
'reverse racism,' 'reverse sexism,' and 'cisphobia'.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints against the reasonable
communication of boundaries, such as "leave me alone," "go away," or "I'm not discussing this
with you."
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of someone communicating in
a 'tone' you don't find congenial.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints against criticisms of racist,
sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions.

Where the hell is this? I'm hunting for it on the GMG website and the Dungeon Con Online website and I can't find it.

I mean, if they actually posted this horseshit, then they can pretty much kiss my money goodbye.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 14, 2021, 12:19:29 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 13, 2021, 10:25:23 AM

Quote from: dkabq on November 13, 2021, 10:11:17 AM
Why should the DM have to leave their game because of one Jabroni is not affirming "enthusiastic agreement of game development"? Just that situation occurring is a CoC violation that could lead to you being sanctioned or expelled from the con.

"Anyone who violates this Code of Conduct may be sanctioned or expelled from Dungeon Con Online at the discretion of the Dungeon Con Online Admin team."

  Depends on the Identity/Ideology of the complainants:

Quote from: Dungeon Con Online Code of Conduct
Dungeon Con Online prioritizes marginalized people's safety over privileged people's comfort.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of 'reverse' -isms, including
'reverse racism,' 'reverse sexism,' and 'cisphobia'.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints against the reasonable
communication of boundaries, such as "leave me alone," "go away," or "I'm not discussing this
with you."
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of someone communicating in
a 'tone' you don't find congenial.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints against criticisms of racist,
sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions.

Where the hell is this? I'm hunting for it on the GMG website and the Dungeon Con Online website and I can't find it.

I mean, if they actually posted this horseshit, then they can pretty much kiss my money goodbye.

Here ya go, right on the GG website:
https://goodman-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/DCO-Policies.pdf

Quote from: RebelSky on November 13, 2021, 08:54:30 AM
Anybody okay with any publisher using they/them as a neutral gender term is a Woke ally. It doesn't matter if the Chicago Manual of Style or whatever puts "they" in the style guide... If you can't tell or see how politically moved all these changes have been for their purposes of subverting and inverting language than that's what they want. Our language is being subverted. Our culture is being systematically targeted and those behind it know what they are doing. Getting the Chicago Style of Grammar or whatever it's called to go along with it is just another win for these evil bastards.

This is exactly one of the reasons I so despise the current Woke and SJW cult. Because sure enough some morons going to look at my book written 25 fucking years ago, see "they" and sanctimoniously declare it "Woke" and then I'll want both to just fucking die.

The woke cult, just like the storygamer cult, poisons the well, salts the earth, and blows up the planet.

Quote from: kreegan on November 14, 2021, 12:24:09 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 14, 2021, 12:19:29 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 13, 2021, 10:25:23 AM

Quote from: dkabq on November 13, 2021, 10:11:17 AM
Why should the DM have to leave their game because of one Jabroni is not affirming "enthusiastic agreement of game development"? Just that situation occurring is a CoC violation that could lead to you being sanctioned or expelled from the con.

"Anyone who violates this Code of Conduct may be sanctioned or expelled from Dungeon Con Online at the discretion of the Dungeon Con Online Admin team."

  Depends on the Identity/Ideology of the complainants:

Quote from: Dungeon Con Online Code of Conduct
Dungeon Con Online prioritizes marginalized people's safety over privileged people's comfort.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of 'reverse' -isms, including
'reverse racism,' 'reverse sexism,' and 'cisphobia'.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints against the reasonable
communication of boundaries, such as "leave me alone," "go away," or "I'm not discussing this
with you."
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of someone communicating in
a 'tone' you don't find congenial.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints against criticisms of racist,
sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions.

Where the hell is this? I'm hunting for it on the GMG website and the Dungeon Con Online website and I can't find it.

I mean, if they actually posted this horseshit, then they can pretty much kiss my money goodbye.

Here ya go, right on the GG website:
https://goodman-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/DCO-Policies.pdf

Thank you, Kreegan. Just wanted to get confirmation.

Yar, har, fiddle dee dee, being a pirate is alright with me!

Quote from: dkabq on November 13, 2021, 06:07:11 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 13, 2021, 05:27:14 PM

Quote from: dkabq on November 13, 2021, 11:37:23 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 13, 2021, 10:44:09 AM

Quote from: dkabq on November 13, 2021, 10:30:00 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 13, 2021, 08:16:00 AM
Ok, for the con game, play/run by con rules. No big deal. For your own games, in your own spaces, run how you (and your players) like. This isn't really hard to understand.

You have a point, if at a con, play/run by the con's rules. But fuck beans, have you read the rules?

• safety tools
• the requirement to routinely reaffirm pronouns
• the requirement to routinely check-in to affirm enthusiastic agreement of game development
• "Dungeon Con Online prioritizes marginalized people's safety over privileged people's comfort."
• "Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of 'reverse' -isms, including 'reverse racism,' 'reverse sexism,' and 'cisphobia'." So if you are white and black person calls you a "cracker", you can just fuck right off.
• The Star Chamber Enforcement & Consequences process. Looks like they took a page out of the Obama era Title IX playbook

Last con I went to was in 2004. I didn't much care for it, and since I prefer home/private games and can shop either online or through local store (the two overlap somewhat in central Florida), I've never felt much desire to go to another con. If I did, I would read the rules (and yes, those rules would push me back towards not wanting to go). If for some reason I still decided to go there and run a game, then I'd follow the rules just like I follow rules at work that I may not entirely agree with.

Sounds like we are in agreement. Must be a sign of the coming end of days.   

I lived in Central Florida/Orlando in the long, long ago. Did you ever patronize Enterprise 1701?

Back when it was by the Naval Training Center and again after thr move. Then they became sci-fi city and things went downhill.

I went there when it was on Mills and Colonial, before they moved to by the Navel Training Center. It's where I purchased pretty much all of my RPG stuff back in the long, long, ago.

This brings back memories.  Wasn't it on Corinne Dr in the same strip mall as a GEICO that used to prey on NTC students with high APR mustangs?  I spent more than a few weekends gaming in the common room in our barracks while there.

Bummer.  I just started getting into DCC and MCC. 

Quote from: Hakdov on November 13, 2021, 07:11:54 PM

Quote from: dkabq on November 13, 2021, 06:07:11 PM
I went there when it was on Mills and Colonial, before they moved to by the Navel Training Center. It's where I purchased pretty much all of my RPG stuff back in the long, long, ago.

I remember getting my copy of Game Design Vol. 1: Theory and Practice by SJG there way back when I was a teenager.  I also used to go to the location by the navy base every time my unit went there for training which was pretty often.  Ahh... the memories of a time when it was fun to go to the game store instead of now when it is all bland and disappointing.  I can't even remember the last time I actually bought something at one.

I remember going there after NTC boot camp and through A school and NNPS. Gaming helped me stay sane during that time.

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Quote from: Hakdov on November 13, 2021, 07:11:54 PM

Quote from: dkabq on November 13, 2021, 06:07:11 PM
I went there when it was on Mills and Colonial, before they moved to by the Navel Training Center. It's where I purchased pretty much all of my RPG stuff back in the long, long, ago.

I remember getting my copy of Game Design Vol. 1: Theory and Practice by SJG there way back when I was a teenager.  I also used to go to the location by the navy base every time my unit went there for training which was pretty often.  Ahh... the memories of a time when it was fun to go to the game store instead of now when it is all bland and disappointing.  I can't even remember the last time I actually bought something at one.

I remember going there after NTC boot camp and through A school and NNPS. Gaming helped me stay sane during that time.

This.  I was always somewhere between Suggested 15 and Suggested 20 study hours at NNPS, which still left plenty of time to game.  To a guy without a car, Enterprise 1701 was a close enough walk. One I got my car, though, I spent much more time far far away from the barracks, so my gaming went down.