I'll be honest, the only thing I know about Ironclaw was that it had a surprisingly intelligent mechanic for rolling HP after first level (instead of the straight hit dice, it used a 1d4 or 1d6+ mechanic that gave more HP on average but didn't exceed the maximums for that class).

So RPGnet is full of violence fetishists now who dunk on people who want to play light hearted fun? Glad I don't use it then.

I totally get you. Sometimes people just want light hearted fun. Perhaps my favorite anecdote from this forum is one the where a party defeated a horde of killer Christmas trees by singing Christmas carols at them.

Quote from: Omega on June 30, 2021, 04:01:07 AM

Quote from: SavageSchemer on June 28, 2021, 11:21:08 AM
I had no idea what a furry was until I started playing Werewolf: The Apocalypse back in the day (late 90's I believe). I asked a friend of mine, "why is it all the other fans of this game are kinda weird and make me feel really uncomfortable?". Back then you met these folks in person rather than online...the internet was only just beginning to really take off. He was the one who explained the furry subculture to me and said that Werewolf, being basically "furry Power Rangers" was a game that attracted that kind of crowd. We went back to playing D6 Star Wars instead.

Actually Werewolf was relatively obscure in the furry fandom circles.
Albedo and later Dragon Storm were the most popular due to Steve and Susan respectively promoting their games all over and being pretty friendly to the furry fans as both were more or less outsiders. Indie comics for Steve and CCG-RPG for Susan.

Steve Gallacci got over the furry fandom real quick, though. It didn't take long before he wanted Erma Felna EDF or Albedo Anthropomorphics completely distanced from furry fandom.

Quote from: jeff37923 on June 30, 2021, 02:38:44 PM

Quote from: Omega on June 30, 2021, 04:01:07 AM

Quote from: SavageSchemer on June 28, 2021, 11:21:08 AM
I had no idea what a furry was until I started playing Werewolf: The Apocalypse back in the day (late 90's I believe). I asked a friend of mine, "why is it all the other fans of this game are kinda weird and make me feel really uncomfortable?". Back then you met these folks in person rather than online...the internet was only just beginning to really take off. He was the one who explained the furry subculture to me and said that Werewolf, being basically "furry Power Rangers" was a game that attracted that kind of crowd. We went back to playing D6 Star Wars instead.

Actually Werewolf was relatively obscure in the furry fandom circles.
Albedo and later Dragon Storm were the most popular due to Steve and Susan respectively promoting their games all over and being pretty friendly to the furry fans as both were more or less outsiders. Indie comics for Steve and CCG-RPG for Susan.

Steve Gallacci got over the furry fandom real quick, though. It didn't take long before he wanted Erma Felna EDF or Albedo Anthropomorphics completely distanced from furry fandom.

I'm not surprised. Furry fandom is chock full of weird fetish porn that wouldn't be out of place in body horror fiction.

Quote from: Omega on June 30, 2021, 04:01:07 AM
Actually Werewolf was relatively obscure in the furry fandom circles.
Albedo and later Dragon Storm were the most popular due to Steve and Susan respectively promoting their games all over and being pretty friendly to the furry fans as both were more or less outsiders. Indie comics for Steve and CCG-RPG for Susan.

Completely fair. I should have said, too, for the record I don't think that is representative of all Werewolf fans / players. I think it's just a particular subculture I somehow managed to stumble into back in the day.

Quote from: SavageSchemer on June 28, 2021, 11:21:08 AM
I had no idea what a furry was until I started playing Werewolf: The Apocalypse back in the day (late 90's I believe). I asked a friend of mine, "why is it all the other fans of this game are kinda weird and make me feel really uncomfortable?". Back then you met these folks in person rather than online...the internet was only just beginning to really take off. He was the one who explained the furry subculture to me and said that Werewolf, being basically "furry Power Rangers" was a game that attracted that kind of crowd. We went back to playing D6 Star Wars instead.

Vannilla-just-the-core-book Werewolf isn't a furry game.  All the Garou are too busy fighting horrible monsters to suck each others dicks.

Put another way:



(as I understand it, Anthros are anything between the two extremes, and with more clothing)

Quote from: jeff37923 on June 30, 2021, 02:38:44 PM

Quote from: Omega on June 30, 2021, 04:01:07 AM

Quote from: SavageSchemer on June 28, 2021, 11:21:08 AM
I had no idea what a furry was until I started playing Werewolf: The Apocalypse back in the day (late 90's I believe). I asked a friend of mine, "why is it all the other fans of this game are kinda weird and make me feel really uncomfortable?". Back then you met these folks in person rather than online...the internet was only just beginning to really take off. He was the one who explained the furry subculture to me and said that Werewolf, being basically "furry Power Rangers" was a game that attracted that kind of crowd. We went back to playing D6 Star Wars instead.

Actually Werewolf was relatively obscure in the furry fandom circles.
Albedo and later Dragon Storm were the most popular due to Steve and Susan respectively promoting their games all over and being pretty friendly to the furry fans as both were more or less outsiders. Indie comics for Steve and CCG-RPG for Susan.

Steve Gallacci got over the furry fandom real quick, though. It didn't take long before he wanted Erma Felna EDF or Albedo Anthropomorphics completely distanced from furry fandom.

He didnt distance himself from the furry fandom. He distanced himself from everything. His wife died and it hit him pretty hard.

As someone who, as I mentioned in other threads, had no clue about who "furries" were until some American relatives explained the concept to me (no furrydom here in Italy) I'm often confused.

Does the use of "furry" animals in, for example, comics always implies a call out to the furry culture? Because two examples where comic book authors choose to use cute animals to tell "heavy" stories ("Maus" by Art Spiegelman being the most famous, with "Cat Shit One" by Motofumi Kobayashi being the other) for sure aren't.

Quote from: Reckall on July 01, 2021, 03:50:34 PM
As someone who, as I mentioned in other threads, had no clue about who "furries" were until some American relatives explained the concept to me (no furrydom here in Italy) I'm often confused.

Does the use of "furry" animals in, for example, comics always implies a call out to the furry culture? Because two examples where comic book authors choose to use cute animals to tell "heavy" stories ("Maus" by Art Spiegelman being the most famous, with "Cat Shit One" by Motofumi Kobayashi being the other) for sure aren't.

Honestly and seriously, I've heard lots of people use lots of terms interchangeably.  Outside and inside the fandom.

These are generalizations, but:

Yiffy is porn.  Straight, gay, it's humanoid animals boffing each other. 
Anthro is humanoid animals living their lives, and (generally) not having sex.
Both are types of furries.

And just like not everyone who enjoys Maus would identify themselves as a furry, not everyone who's into anthro stuff likes the yiffy stuff too.

EDIT: personally, I don't get furries.  Like, I enjoy watching Ducktales with my kids, and I can chuckle at Peppa Pig some times, but... I don't get it.  Disney sure did a number on some folks I guess.

Here's a Furry Game https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/246634/ALBEDO--First-Edition?manufacturers_id=7089

I remembered Kitsune Press from The Lucanii Drift, a very good Starships & Spacemen 2e product with a bit of a furry vibe to the art.

Since it's not my cup of tea I never bought it and now I can't be sure IIRC (and not gonna spend time confirming one way or the other) But wasn't there a furry game called noir or something like that?