Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 01, 2021, 08:10:16 AM
It's like that Pepe picture with the SJW noosed up, ready to be hung, and Pepe is saying 'Why did you make me do this? I just wanted to play video games...'

That's 2016 Pepe.

2021 Pepe has so many hangings to do, there ain't no time for chitchat.

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 01, 2021, 09:15:24 AMIt also is an opportunity to compete directly with GenCon as a "you COULD spend your money going to a convention that actually hates you... or you could spend the same money a week later to come to the same city and attend a convention that appreciates you and your values."

VERY interesting idea to shit on GenCon on its own turf.

Kudos.

I wonder how many attendees would stay for both cons.

One could probably crowdsource this via Indiegogo too.
Kickstarter...would boot the project before it launched.

However, I wonder how many vendors would dare to attend MAGAcon.
Or how many authors? I imagine the backlash would be screechy.

I volunteer to run the OSR section!!

Quote from: Pat on July 01, 2021, 09:55:20 AM
I recognize the meme value of a MAGA convention, but I'd much prefer a non-political convention myself.

Me too Pat.

That's why my initial idea was an OSR con. AKA, just focus on the OSR and refuse any poltical messaging, but like others have pointed out, the SJW scumbags will demand submission and any con that pushes back, might as well be renamed NaziCon at that point.

"Make Adventuring Great Again" Con would certainly define its place in the market.

Quote from: Spinachcat on July 02, 2021, 01:12:14 AM

Quote from: Pat on July 01, 2021, 09:55:20 AM
I recognize the meme value of a MAGA convention, but I'd much prefer a non-political convention myself.

Me too Pat.

That's why my initial idea was an OSR con. AKA, just focus on the OSR and refuse any poltical messaging, but like others have pointed out, the SJW scumbags will demand submission and any con that pushes back, might as well be renamed NaziCon at that point.

"Make Adventuring Great Again" Con would certainly define its place in the market.

I suppose the trade off is between appealing to a wider slice of the audience, and increasing the overall size of the audience pie by using branding that gets more attention.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 01, 2021, 03:57:20 PMI would agree in that Ernie apologizing accomplished the opposite of what he desired, and so it was a worthless gesture.

Those of us who have seen in-person physical violence will have seen that in a streetfight, whatever happens, do not go to ground. If you fall to the ground, logically you would expect that they leave you alone now because you are no longer a threat. But in fact what happens is that the guy fighting you and five of his mates now circle around you and kick the shit out of you. That's not merely a metaphor, by the way - if a person is kicked enough, they will urinate and defecate all over themselves through their blood. It's nasty.

Now, if the combatant is engaged in the conflict for rational reasons, this won't happen. They wanted to achieve your submission, and that is sufficient. As Clausewitz said, the point of war is to make the enemy do your will. You have submitted and are now going to do his will, all good.

But if the combatant is engaged in the conflict for irrational reasons - such as racism, personal loathing, social justice warriors, etc - then your submission is not sufficient, they want to destroy you utterly.

The rational combatant wants the enemy to do his will. The ideologue wants to machinegun them into a ditch. Thus, any sign of submission is an invitation for them and their mates to circle around and kick you to death.

When dealing with the social justice warrior, do not go to ground. Submission is an invitation to destruction.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2021, 09:25:44 PM
Mistwell is also forgetting that the current narrative isn't just 'don't say stupid shit'.

Yes. And also, what constitutes "stupid shit" changes from time to time. And today's ideological darling is, thanks to people digging back through a decade of social media posts, tomorrow's Problematic Person. 

For the ideologue, submission is never enough. They want destruction.

All talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.  At the very least, payment processors not beholden to VISA, Mastercard, et. al. need to be erected. Right now, the only way to do that is to be based in either Russia or China, which means you're trading one set of vulnerabilities for another.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PMAll talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.

Absolutely.

The MAGAcon would be allowed to crowdfund on IndieGoGo as that platform seems to be happy to take deplorable's money. That would account for many of the upfront badges.

Online sales of badges would probably be nuked by Visa & PayPal as soon as the word got out.

My choice would be crowdfund as many tickets as necessary to cover all the upfront costs of the con, even if that meant you left only 1/4th of the tix for cold hard cash at the door.

Of course, the tix would be NON-refundable. Why? The Twatterati would brigade IndieGoGo with fake pledges, only to drop them at the end of the campaign. Instead, cash in stays in.

Yes, that creates concerns the MAGAcon event staff are just pocketing the money, and the way to avoid that is to have the hotel / event center locked down so backers can see that the cash is going directly to the hotel ASAP.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PM
All talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.  At the very least, payment processors not beholden to VISA, Mastercard, et. al. need to be erected. Right now, the only way to do that is to be based in either Russia or China, which means you're trading one set of vulnerabilities for another.

There are currently two methods available that I know of: AlignPay, a recently launched payment platform such as you describe, and cryptocurrency. It boggles me that people complain about free [as in speech] payment and don't embrace crypto.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PM
All talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.  At the very least, payment processors not beholden to VISA, Mastercard, et. al. need to be erected. Right now, the only way to do that is to be based in either Russia or China, which means you're trading one set of vulnerabilities for another.

   I think that might be a large overestimation of the interest banking institutions would take over a niche of a niche activity.  I would also add, money orders and cash are still a thing.

Quote from: Zalman on July 03, 2021, 09:41:08 AM

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PM
All talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.  At the very least, payment processors not beholden to VISA, Mastercard, et. al. need to be erected. Right now, the only way to do that is to be based in either Russia or China, which means you're trading one set of vulnerabilities for another.

There are currently two methods available that I know of: AlignPay, a recently launched payment platform such as you describe, and cryptocurrency. It boggles me that people complain about free [as in speech] payment and don't embrace crypto.

Sidebar on parallel structures. The Brave browser just launched its own search engine that A) Does NOT use Google or Bing for its searches. B) Does not track your searches. Brave also has built in peer-to-peer network protocols and it's own cryptocurrency.

Mr. Eich; the mastermind behind Brave and inventor of JavaScript; is basically the anti-Zuckerberg... interested in internet privacy and free speech. I'd pay attention to some of the systems he's setting up via Brave if you're looking for a serious parallel structure to the TwitFace Googlezon hegemony for RPG/Convention promotion and organization.

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 03, 2021, 10:19:02 AM
Brave also has built in peer-to-peer network protocols

Including some level of support for the aforementioned Interplanetary File System. So for example, Brave might work fine as a LBRY client directly, without Odysee.com to translate.

Not to mention that Brave is also by far the best overall browsing experience out there, imo!

Ultimately, whatever replaces an authoritarian structure has to be a different structure, not just preferred authoritarians. I believe new tech is something the OSR crew would be wise engage with.

All tickets for MAGACon should be paid for with bitcoin, or silver.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PM
All talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.  At the very least, payment processors not beholden to VISA, Mastercard, et. al. need to be erected. Right now, the only way to do that is to be based in either Russia or China, which means you're trading one set of vulnerabilities for another.

What payment processor is subscribestar using?

Quote from: Spinachcat on July 03, 2021, 12:04:23 AM

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PMAll talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.

Absolutely.

The MAGAcon would be allowed to crowdfund on IndieGoGo as that platform seems to be happy to take deplorable's money. That would account for many of the upfront badges.

Online sales of badges would probably be nuked by Visa & PayPal as soon as the word got out.

My choice would be crowdfund as many tickets as necessary to cover all the upfront costs of the con, even if that meant you left only 1/4th of the tix for cold hard cash at the door.

Of course, the tix would be NON-refundable. Why? The Twatterati would brigade IndieGoGo with fake pledges, only to drop them at the end of the campaign. Instead, cash in stays in.

Yes, that creates concerns the MAGAcon event staff are just pocketing the money, and the way to avoid that is to have the hotel / event center locked down so backers can see that the cash is going directly to the hotel ASAP.

What will prevent the hotel/event center from being brigaded and inundated with menacing texts a la "Nice bussines you have there it would be a shame if someone were to accuse you of being an istophobe no?"

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on July 02, 2021, 06:24:10 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 01, 2021, 03:57:20 PMI would agree in that Ernie apologizing accomplished the opposite of what he desired, and so it was a worthless gesture.

Those of us who have seen in-person physical violence will have seen that in a streetfight, whatever happens, do not go to ground. If you fall to the ground, logically you would expect that they leave you alone now because you are no longer a threat. But in fact what happens is that the guy fighting you and five of his mates now circle around you and kick the shit out of you. That's not merely a metaphor, by the way - if a person is kicked enough, they will urinate and defecate all over themselves through their blood. It's nasty.

Now, if the combatant is engaged in the conflict for rational reasons, this won't happen. They wanted to achieve your submission, and that is sufficient. As Clausewitz said, the point of war is to make the enemy do your will. You have submitted and are now going to do his will, all good.

But if the combatant is engaged in the conflict for irrational reasons - such as racism, personal loathing, social justice warriors, etc - then your submission is not sufficient, they want to destroy you utterly.

The rational combatant wants the enemy to do his will. The ideologue wants to machinegun them into a ditch. Thus, any sign of submission is an invitation for them and their mates to circle around and kick you to death.

When dealing with the social justice warrior, do not go to ground. Submission is an invitation to destruction.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2021, 09:25:44 PM
Mistwell is also forgetting that the current narrative isn't just 'don't say stupid shit'.

Yes. And also, what constitutes "stupid shit" changes from time to time. And today's ideological darling is, thanks to people digging back through a decade of social media posts, tomorrow's Problematic Person. 

For the ideologue, submission is never enough. They want destruction.

Them destruct them back.  Piss on the SJWs.  Being nice, will not win.