^Agreed with Armchair Gamer.

If you like a creator's work, but they are an insufferable jackass, you can buy their books secondhand.   You get their work and they get no money.

Really, I know a lot of people are pretty sore right now and things are not looking good, but let's not descend into personal attacks.  This isn't RPG.net.  Let's not succumb to the same sorts of paranoid fantasies that the moderators of that big, purple collection of douchebags do.

The Cheka are not coming to confiscate your DnD collection.  The Twidiots might organize to annoy a platform until they remove a creator you like, but find a different way to support that creator anyway.

Focus on what makes you happy, and live your life.  Don't be like the paranoid nutjobs on Twitter.

Quote from: Chris24601 on November 04, 2020, 10:09:14 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 04, 2020, 09:39:50 AM
If you want to subvert or exploit the products of those who would use your money for wicked ends, the best option is to get the books secondhand. You get the books, they get no money.

Nah. Subversion is for Marxists who can't get their way without first undermining what is good.

Instead I'm going to redouble my efforts to finish my "Superversive"* RPG and setting. Embrace and extol the good. There's enough in the OSR for those who prefer that style (which I do not), but there's a lot less in the field of more modern systems (which I do prefer but for their often annoying degree of politics).

Give people a choice for a game in the style they enjoy but without the preaching and I have to believe there's an audience for that.

* The term was coined by a group of sci-fi authors determined to fight the Leftist push into that market, not by writing opposing political tracts, but by putting a priority on extolling the virtues of the genre (the wonder, the beauty of discovery, etc.). In the case of an RPG system/setting I view this to be the idea that you are playing a hero and champion of the civilized world standing in opposition to the forces of darkness which surround it.

Nail, head, ETC.   That's how you do it.  People can smell sanctimonious preaching a mile away. Just keep the values Humanist, and you will succeed.

Quote from: Chris24601 on November 04, 2020, 10:09:14 AM
Nah. Subversion is for Marxists who can%u2019t get their way without first undermining what is good.

  Good point. I was thinking more of cases where good people are doing good products for companies that have embraced less than good agendas. A lot of Ken Hite's stuff for Pelgrane comes to mind.

  But is it really subversion when you take something twisted to the darkness and try to redeem it?

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Instead I%u2019m going to redouble my efforts to finish my %u201CSuperversive%u201D* RPG and setting. Embrace and extol the good. There%u2019s enough in the OSR for those who prefer that style (which I do not), but there%u2019s a lot less in the field of more modern systems (which I do prefer but for their often annoying degree of politics).

Give people a choice for a game in the style they enjoy but without the preaching and I have to believe there%u2019s an audience for that.

   As someone who's been following the Superversive movement since Pundit linked to John C. Wright's blog six years ago (meaning it as condemnation), I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

I think next years October Surprise will be on them as fracking flourishes, income inequality skyrockets, San Francisco and Seattle collapse, they get no UBI, no Universal Healthcare, the wars with Iran and Syria finally kick off as Iraq and Afghanistan ramp up, and President Harris tells them they have to turn in all the guns they bought this year.

Trump will be gone and life will still suck, probably even harder.

Who am I kidding, they'll all go back to sleep and pride themselves on having done something.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 04, 2020, 10:16:03 AM
As someone who's been following the Superversive movement since Pundit linked to John C. Wright's blog six years ago (meaning it as condemnation), I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

If you want to see it, I can shoot you a link to the current PDF iteration as I always welcome feedback (even if its just "I like this" or "I don't like that"... its been radically transformed from the original iteration precisely because of all my playtesting/feedback efforts).

The same offer holds for anyone else here for that matter.

Now they're cheering open Electoral Fraud, and are going to be responsible for civil war.

There's not going to be civil war. People find it fun to LARP about online, but outside of a few lone wolf incidents nothing like that would come close to happening unless most of the country's lorry drivers went on strike or something - people on the Right are a mixture of too complacent ("w-we'll get 'em n-next election!") or too respectful of law and order for anything to come to pass without Commissars and/or starvation actively coming into their home.

I'm sure if Trump wins we'll see widespread rioting fiery but mostly peaceful protests but I don't expect anything more than "far-right literal nazi Proud Boys occupy a street in DC before being escorted out" if Biden wins.

Quote from: Snark Knight on November 04, 2020, 07:37:39 PM
...most of the country's lorry drivers went on strike or something.

Thank God we don't have any of those 'lorry' thingamajigs over here.   

Quote from: Snark Knight on November 04, 2020, 07:37:39 PM
There's not going to be civil war. People find it fun to LARP about online, but outside of a few lone wolf incidents nothing like that would come close to happening unless most of the country's lorry drivers went on strike or something. I'm sure if Trump wins we'll see widespread rioting fiery but mostly peaceful protests but I don't expect anything more than "far-right literal nazi Proud Boys occupy a street in DC before being escorted out" if Biden wins.

I think that the generally accepted ratio is 93% peaceful protest to 7% rioting.

Greetings!

Raise taxes more, fuck the economy with more unemployment and poverty, lock down more of society, enforcing more fucking masks, persecute Christians gathering in churches, charge and arrest more citizens defending themselves, cheer on more BLM and ANTIFA riots, keep peddling more godless Communism in schools, and start confiscating people's firearms.

All this BS is stuff the fucking Liberals under Biden and Harris love. Bernie, AOC and the fucking "squad" love this shit.

To normal, conservative, traditional-minded Americans, all of that is kindling being soaked in gasoline. All it takes is a single lit match, for a firestorm to be unleashed.

Who knows where or when such a match will be dropped into the gasoline? This isn't a good situation for America to be in, and anyone that thinks everything is just gonna go on like normal eating cupcakes and playing video games is naïve. But the fucking Marxists don't care. They want America to be Communist slaves, or burn. Who knows where things will go, but geesus, the signs are not good at all.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Does this have anything to do with the game designers list anymore?

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 04, 2020, 02:29:56 AM

Because THEY don't have any actual control over what games I play, much less over whether I live. If THEY make something I think looks like it might be fun, I'll give it a try. If somebody else makes a case that I should buy their game on shared political views, I'll likewise laugh at them too and judge their product solely on its own merits.

The problem is, given how they want people removed from DTRPG, etc. for wrongthink, they really WANT to exercise control over what you get to play.  That is why they bother me...

I may not like PF2 or some of Paizo's staff and I may not like Blue Rose or the GR staff, but I certainly am not narcissistic/arrogant enough to believe that I should have a say in whether other people get to play those games.

I blame both Twitter and Facebook and similar platforms. As outside of their sheltered echo chamber style enclaves it's not going to be the way they want it too. Sure TBP can  ban posters all they like with the sycophant butt kisser posters applauding the gesture. They sure as hell won't be going into people homes and games and telling them what to do. Not without a fight or be grabbed and tossed out on their asses. Most will be shown the door. The majority of us don't have time for children in adult bodies and possibly mentally disturbed at our tables. I have been lucky so far yet if one of the woke SJWs tries any shit either in my home during a game out the door he goes. Or I call the police and have him removed.

I can ignore the politics of a Woke SJW rpg publisher and the majority of the writers on that list I have no interest in anyway.

Quote from: moonsweeper on November 04, 2020, 09:27:13 PM
The problem is, given how they want people removed from DTRPG, etc. for wrongthink, they really WANT to exercise control over what you get to play.  That is why they bother me...

I may not like PF2 or some of Paizo's staff and I may not like Blue Rose or the GR staff, but I certainly am not narcissistic/arrogant enough to believe that I should have a say in whether other people get to play those games.

Agreed and seconded.

Which is why I am done trying to find any common ground with Woke SJWs. If I am the enemy simply for not swallowing the kool-aid. Or indulging in their desire for carefully constructed personal narratives why bother. Fuck them and let the stew in their hate.

I stopped giving money to commie RPG designers a long time ago.

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2020, 06:31:21 PM
Now they're cheering open Electoral Fraud, and are going to be responsible for civil war.

There won't be anything civil about it.

Quote from: SHARK on November 04, 2020, 09:15:18 PM
Greetings!

Raise taxes more, fuck the economy with more unemployment and poverty, lock down more of society, enforcing more fucking masks, persecute Christians gathering in churches, charge and arrest more citizens defending themselves, cheer on more BLM and ANTIFA riots, keep peddling more godless Communism in schools, and start confiscating people's firearms.

All this BS is stuff the fucking Liberals under Biden and Harris love. Bernie, AOC and the fucking "squad" love this shit.

To normal, conservative, traditional-minded Americans, all of that is kindling being soaked in gasoline. All it takes is a single lit match, for a firestorm to be unleashed.

Who knows where or when such a match will be dropped into the gasoline? This isn't a good situation for America to be in, and anyone that thinks everything is just gonna go on like normal eating cupcakes and playing video games is naïve. But the fucking Marxists don't care. They want America to be Communist slaves, or burn. Who knows where things will go, but geesus, the signs are not good at all.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Take a chill pill.