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I'm not here to tell you that you're wrong: I'm here to tell you that you're stupid.

Started by Azraele, March 15, 2020, 01:32:09 PM

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Azraele

Quote from: Shasarak;1124282I can not figure out how coffee applies to the new alignment chart and it is making me either Cangry or Cungry

Coffee is elementally aligned to Stress. Hence the holy Stress-relic, Decanter of Endless Espresso (imbibe at your own risk).
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Reddit has always been a dumpster fire too, really. So no surprises there.
The more clichéd my group plays their characters, the better. I don't want Deep Drama™ and Real Acting™ in the precious few hours away from my family and job. I want cheap thrills, constant action, involved-but-not-super-complex plots, and cheesy but lovable characters.
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GeekEclectic

Terrible alignment chart for D&D. Absolutely brilliant chart of Stresses for many flavors of Cortex Plus/Prime Dramatic games!
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Opaopajr

I cannot see the chart on this device. :( However, given the discussion it might be divine providence all things considered. Seems like you gazed upon mythos levels of badwrongfun. :p
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Razor 007

A Paladin who pledges themselves to Doritos is hilarious, but it's not D&D to me.
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Simlasa

Quote from: PencilBoy99;1124265Improv in entertainment works best for comedy, absurdist comedy (it's much harder to have Improv produce something like Westworld or True Detective season 1).
But one of the first things we learned in improv class was not to try to be funny... that the comedy that emerges from playing it straight will always be funnier. So the silliest, funniest stuff I've seen happen in RPGs were always in-character and followed out of plausible in-game events. No rubber chickens were necessary.

Spinachcat

KRUGUS!!! Welcome aboard! We're the Mos Eisley of the RPG world. Looking forward to hearing more about your campaigns and RPGing interests!

As for Absurd RPGs, I am cool with that as a rare one-shot or short campaign. It's like Paranoia where its all about indulging in the super-silliness and acting like Goobers in Gooberworld. But that's not how I want to play 95% of the time.

tenbones

Quote from: Azraele;1124285Coffee is elementally aligned to Stress. Hence the holy Stress-relic, Decanter of Endless Espresso (imbibe at your own risk).


1) Coffee is elementally aligned with Power (Cult of the Brown Serpent), or Productivity (Church of Keytappers)
2) Anyone that would make a magic-item of decanted espresso is an agent of demonic forces and must be purified (i.e. slain with extreme prejudice).

As for the OP - I have no dealings with D&D or the general populace that thrives under the banner of 5e's assumed "game" (whatever that is). I've found that what D&D has become is very different than what I run (Swashbuckling/S&S style sandbox normally) that most modern gamers seem to find what I do "too hardcore" - but that might have to do with the comedic-absurdism thing. Not to mention the conceits of what people today think of as "D&D" has gotten fucking ***weird*** to me, and the people that drink that Kool-Aid likewise are weird.

And that's saying a *lot* because I'm pretty fucking weird.

Ghostmaker

This looks like the sort of thing that would've been worth a Sensible Chuckle if it popped up in the humor section of Dragon Magazine. Take it seriously though? Nah brah, this ain't Toon or Paranoia.

Sometimes, people forget that in many mid-to-high fantasy games, 'good' and 'evil' aren't just labels. Heck, in D&D proper (and in PF and other bastard children), Good and Evil are tangible forces, as real as gravity, magnetism, and the tendency for buttered toast to land butter side down.

Krugus

Quote from: Spinachcat;1124312KRUGUS!!! Welcome aboard! We're the Mos Eisley of the RPG world. Looking forward to hearing more about your campaigns and RPGing interests!

As for Absurd RPGs, I am cool with that as a rare one-shot or short campaign. It's like Paranoia where its all about indulging in the super-silliness and acting like Goobers in Gooberworld. But that's not how I want to play 95% of the time.

Thanks Spinachcat.  I've been a lurker for a while so I thought I would finally create an account and step out of the shadows :)

I don't think this site is a "wretched hive of scum and villainy." I've lurked a while to know :p

As to the subject at hand, humor is always best when its not forced.   Natural absurdities are always the way to go ;)
Common sense isn't common; if it were, everyone would have it.

Spinachcat

Did anyone play Gary Gygax's Dungeonland and The Land Beyond the Magic Mirror? TSR modules EX1 and EX2?

Back in the day, our teen crew would NOT touch them. The concept of non-super cereal D&D was a no-no (thus explaining how we jumped hardcore into Warhammer Fantasy). I don't know why exactly, especially because we played a fuckton of Toon and later, Paranoia.

I wonder if a funny and/or absurdist 5e adventure would have an audience?

And what's double weird in retrospect is how we were totally kewlio with hysterical things happening in actual play, but totally not-kewlio with Dungeonland or other jokey D&D publications.

TJS

Quote from: HappyDaze;1124277I really think that either the OP was trolled into believing that those proposing this thing were serious or the OP is trolling us or I'm in a mirror universe and have forgotten to grow out my goatee.

Something like that.  If there's a point it's lost in the bizarre whathefuckery.

Slipshot762

Quote from: Azraele;1124241I recently come to the conclusion that I have no idea what other people are doing with Dungeons & Dragons anymore. Now I want to point out before we start pointing fingers here that I'm not some reactionary: I did previously know what people were doing with dungeons and dragons (mediocre bullshit) and it brought me no joy. So initially this wasn't a cause for panic. But we've wandered into some strange territory here folks.

Behold the new alignment chart, earnestly proposed by D&D 5e players on that bastion of high-level thought, Twitter:

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What is happening at your table? Like whenever you crack open the player's handbook and the GM is pitching you the game world and your role as a character what you're going to be doing like what the fuck are they saying? Are they referring to Dragonborn as "scaly bois"? Like is there no line between you just sitting in a room and eating snacks with your friends and what's happening in the game's universe at all?

What gets under my skin about this chart is that I saw in a post where someone was hell-bent on implementing it in their game in lieu of the alignment system. Hell. Bent. To me it paints a picture of a game where all the characters are pure comedic id-impulse caricatures. Paladins pledging themselves to Doritos and such like.

The very notion of something being "good" or "evil" and that compelling action from them is alien to these people. Objectionable, even.

Granted, I do think the Temple of Elemental Horniness might be pretty funny. You could have it built by the Cult of the Incels.

I don't know if I prefer turgid, uninteresting mayonnaise fantasy over the current Adventure Time-y, lolrandom tumblr humor. Really, i'm just frustrated that this is what people do with this game. If you possessed the capacity for abstract thought, I would tell you to be ashamed of yourselves. As it stands, when I encounter you, I will simply swat you with a rolled-up newspaper.

...

I posted this to invite a few different avenues of discussions:
1) An explanation. Your group plays this way and you're the sharing, caring, care-bears type of person who wants to gush about it. Motherfucker, feel free. It's a train wreck to to me but god dammed if I don't want to slow down and soak it in while I drive by
2) "Those people suck because-" or the "Pundit's Choice awards" as I think of them. Share your baffling gems of experience with this new, even stupider wave of gamers.
3) More ideas rivaling "Elemental Temple of Horniness": I'm talking about fucking Sadboi demons and Paladin subclasses based on being Stressed with caffeine-based magic here. There is gold in this chart and we'll mine it yet.
4) Yeah you can stow the whole "You shouldn't judge how other people enjoy the gaaaaaaame" I've fucking heard it, ok? I'm being rude on purpose you assclown.

thats one confusing ass chart bro. since i only do D6 now i don't have to worry about alignment, i only need to know if something is evil or not, greatly simplifies things.

BoxCrayonTales

I don't frequent lolrandom land.

I find the fantasy genre stagnant and arbitrary, and by extension most gaming settings. However, I address that by reexaminations of world building.

Like, nine-point alignment is inherently nonsensical to me. So I go back to Moorcock's works and adopt three-point alignment. This gives me more freedom in designing stuff.

I don't adopt "bacon" and "necktie" as alignments unless I'm trying to explain inter-chaos politics.

Shasarak

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1124734Like, nine-point alignment is inherently nonsensical to me. So I go back to Moorcock's works and adopt three-point alignment. This gives me more freedom in designing stuff.

It is interesting that you choose the Law-Chaos axis.  Personally I find the Good-Evil axis to be the least arbitary (excepting bacon of course).
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