There's no doubt Judges Guild put out a ready-made campaign world that was great for the hobby in the 70s, and its eminently playable today. I love the City State of the Invincible Overlord and I've run multiple campaigns based in Modron. BUT as it was the first of its kind, its got all the ups and downs of being the first of its kind. I can't speak for the later releases. All my JG stuff is originals from the Paleozoic.

Maybe its me, but having played in Wilderlands, Faerun and Greyhawk campaigns, I greatly prefer playing in homebrew campaigns. So my personal answer to what setting is better than JG's is the one YOU create.

Quote from: Koltar;1122660Half of this thread has nothing at all to do with gaming.

We're never gonna max out our 18/00 Virtue stat with that attitude bucko!

Now start posting how you hate every Bledsaw in history or you're yet another Naughty Nougat Neo-Nutzi!!!

Quote from: Koltar;1122660Half of this thread has nothing at all to do with gaming.

- Ed C.

At 50%, that still means the signal-to-noise ratio is acceptably high.

Quote from: Mistwell;1122655In terms of the specific type of setting niche that Wilderlands fills, what other setting written by another company fills that type of niche better?

Primeval Thule is not hexed, but it does have a ton of low level detail such that you can begin a canpaign anywhere on the map and find cool stuff to do. It is much more coherent and less Gonzo than Wilderlands, with a tight swords and sorcery focus. Since Jan 2019 it has become my default setting, though I still use Forgotten Realms for high fantasy.

Quote from: Vile;1122669I'm not that familiar with it, but would Harnworld fit the bill?

Having run Cold Iron in Harn in the 80s (before Harnmaster was even published), I can say that Harn would not really be a good fit for D&D. As my Cold Iron campaign started to end, and more Harn material was published, it was clear that Harn is a much lower magic setting than a D&D-like game implies.

QuoteI had hopes this was where Goodman Games was heading, but it doesn't sound like it. I guess it's down to how much the IP would be worth to another buyer vs. how much it's worth to BBII, if he's willing to let it go at all. As others have said, it's a mixed bag. The Traveller books are in FFE's hands, anyway, not sure what the legal status of the RuneQuest books would be, so that basically leaves the D&D stuff for the OSR. Financially probably not very attractive, so it would probably be more for the sake of preserving something historic - and that stuff is not going away, anyway.

Hmm, but is the Traveller stuff safe from the pitchfork and torch wielding crowd? And does FFE have it royalty free (or is any royalties going to the original authors)?

I suspect the RQ stuff is gone, unless somehow Jenell gets her creations from Bob II, which is a shame because Legendary Duck Tower and Hellpits of Nightfang are good modules for folks wanting to go back to the Glorantha of the early days (80s if not even early 80s). Duck Pond, City of Lei Tabor, and Broken Tree Inn are less important pieces (though I thought I saw something that Broken Tree Inn was supposed to be part of Snake Pipe Hollow).

Quote from: RMS;1122629The New Testament was written in Aramaic and Greek.  The Old Testament was written in Hebrew.  I suspect that's what drives this part of his argument.  It still doesn't make much sense, but there you go.  It does give a wedge issue for people to draw distinction between Jewish and Christian parts of the text, I supposed.

  Parts of the Old Testament were written in Aramaic or Greek as well, but those are the parts that Protestants and modern Jews tend not to include as inspired Scripture. If Bledsaw's Catholic, he's in opposition to the teaching of the Church, which has affirmed the Jewishness of Christ and stated things like "Spiritually, we are all Semites." (Pope Pius XI)

Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1122523Archive for fellow facebook haters: http://archive.is/bbD9w

Book of Moses?  Is it that he can't remember Exodus or is he a fan of Joseph Smith?

Quote from: ffilz;1122680Having run Cold Iron in Harn in the 80s (before Harnmaster was even published), I can say that Harn would not really be a good fit for D&D.

I found OD&D plus a little of Greyhawk works OK. I have notes for a S&W Harn ruleset basically reworking the magic user and cleric. In a manner similar to what Adventure in Middle Earth did with 5e.

Quote from: Vile;1122669I'm not that familiar with it, but would Harnworld fit the bill?

As a fan of Harnworld as well, I would have to say no. Harnworld even with just the original release had a low fantasy medieval vibe. While the original Wilderlands was a lot of everything thrown in.

The detailed Harn modules just reinforced this feel. However Harn does make a great resource for the Wilderlands by giving you fleshed out locales to plug in.

Quote from: estar;1122687I found OD&D plus a little of Greyhawk works OK. I have notes for a S&W Harn ruleset basically reworking the magic user and cleric. In a manner similar to what Adventure in Middle Earth did with 5e.

Yea, maybe that would work better. Some of the source material still made me feel the frequency of PC magic users and the power they could attain was out of alignment with the setting.

But that's a challenge, anything trying to look like a Medieval Europe is going to have some challenge with the magic of D&D. In a less serious setting, I can ignore the dissonance, but it became too hard for me for Harn, and soon my Harn stuff went into the for sale bin...

On the other hand, GURPS or Fantasy Hero could be bent into a nice rules set for playing in Harn if one didn't want to play Harnmaster.

Quote from: estar;1122688As a fan of Harnworld as well, I would have to say no. Harnworld even with just the original release had a low fantasy medieval vibe. While the original Wilderlands was a lot of everything thrown in.

The detailed Harn modules just reinforced this feel. However Harn does make a great resource for the Wilderlands by giving you fleshed out locales to plug in.

Yea, that's the biggest thing the newer settings have is less kitchen sink. A thought that has been percolating is also that the non-polished look of Wilderlands (kitchen sink, limited political entities beyond settlements) may leave a GM thinking, "Hey, I could manage a setting like that." While Harn might leave a GM thinking "I can never build a setting like that."

Quote from: Spinachcat;1122673We're never gonna max out our 18/00 Virtue stat with that attitude bucko!

Now start posting how you hate every Bledsaw in history or you're yet another Naughty Nougat Neo-Nutzi!!!

Hey man, I was wondering from your earlier post -- you have a point that there's a shallowness to condemning Bledsaw, especially in the age of public self-serving self-righteousness, and especially in lieu of actually righteous deeds.

What should we do, though?

I'm genuinely curious -- I'd love to believe it's not as bad as it seems.

I try to keep a very short list of things that I believe are actually evil, to make sure that my reactions are proportionate. Attacking people based on a genetic roll of the dice has long since made the short list, for me.

Cheers

I think theres a difference between mocking SJWs who attack anyone for anything they can hallucinate today. As opposed to Bledshaw who is doing something blatantly damaging to the company and IP.

But at the end of the day both are getting treated equally. As raving morons harmfull to gaming in one way or another.

Still the question is what cause this surge from Bledsaw? One suggested Bledsaw 3 as a possible negative influence.

Quote from: Omega;1122719Still the question is what cause this surge from Bledsaw?

He probably mouthed off a bit once, got called on it, and this provoked him into yet more mouthing off.

My demographic of middle-aged white guys are a sensitive bunch. The more manly, the more butthurt.

Quote from: ffilz;1122680I suspect the RQ stuff is gone, unless somehow Jenell gets her creations from Bob II, which is a shame because Legendary Duck Tower and Hellpits of Nightfang are good modules for folks wanting to go back to the Glorantha of the early days (80s if not even early 80s). Duck Pond, City of Lei Tabor, and Broken Tree Inn are less important pieces (though I thought I saw something that Broken Tree Inn was supposed to be part of Snake Pipe Hollow).

We played all of those RQ adventures back in the day. Duck Tower was especially fun.

RQ2 was very Glorantha-lite compared to later editions, and the JG stuff was more generic D100 fantasy than fitting the Glorantha canon.

Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1122713What should we do, though?

Everyone has to answer that for themselves. We all draw the line at different points.

My personal answer is to continue enjoying the original JG products, and if my collection is missing anything, pick it up 2nd hand.

But I'm also going to mock the fuck out of the virtue dogpile.

Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1122713I try to keep a very short list of things that I believe are actually evil, to make sure that my reactions are proportionate. Attacking people based on a genetic roll of the dice has long since made the short list, for me.

For me, evil has to be actions, not words, especially not social media idiot babblings.

Humans are tribal. People like their own kind (and in the USA, that's actually more class than race). It's why segregation on college campuses are called "progressive" now. I can't be surprised when people yell out ''My Team Good, Other Team Bad" because that's basic to the species. Should we be beyond skin color? Of course, but we're not.

For me, the surprise with Bledsaw is not his beliefs, but his total idiocy in spewing them online when he's trying to make money in 2020. Plenty of people have horrid beliefs, but most know to shut their piehole online lest it affect their bottom line.

The clown could have posted the same shit (and way worse) under an alias and none of this drama would have happened.

Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1122713What should we do, though?

I was going to buy some of this Coleslaw guy's stuff, if any of it is any good. Nobody's made suggestions, though.

But that's me, I'd play Myaforg if it were any good. I am indifferent to how much of an arsehole the authour is. If we don't buy shit games even when the authour is a lovely person, I don't see why we should refrain from buying them when they're not a lovely person.

I mean, it's not like the funds are going to pay for Zyklon B. They're just going to a grumpy old fat white guy, but that's true of most game companies.