Quote from: Motorskills;1107104AFAIK when everybody and his dog was publishing OGL material for 3e, there wasn't an over-abundance of "woke" products then either, right?


Beyond that, if you don't like it, take it up with the OP, it's his thread.

You are the one making the gatekeeping accusation. People were pushing out there own RPG creations even before photocopying was affordable using  mimeograph machines no one was gatekeeping people from making what would now be called woke products. What would not have occurred was the glowing reviews and awards just because of the woke content like we have now nor were there outage mobs demanding all products without the woke content be banned. .

Quote from: tenbones;1105803Woke-as-Fuck

I love this.

The wokeness doesn't bother me. Authors/Publishers have a right to release whatever views they wish. But the SJW total censorship of any thought beyond their own tiny worldview certainly does suck. The Big Purple is guilty of this.

I can see WotC and Paizo starting a new Satanic Panic with the Religious Right over all the trans/homo innuendo in their new products. Oklahoma parents screaming about RPG's trying to turn their kids gay.

The TBP thing was the tipping point that got me to buy ACKS.  But I think Alexander also needs to think Jeremy for part of those sales.  If it weren't for his unceasing vendetta against the system, I might not have paid much attention.  I figured anything provoking that kind of reaction had to have something going for it.

Quote from: Robyo;1107196I love this.

The wokeness doesn't bother me. Authors/Publishers have a right to release whatever views they wish. But the SJW total censorship of any thought beyond their own tiny worldview certainly does suck. The Big Purple is guilty of this.

I can see WotC and Paizo starting a new Satanic Panic with the Religious Right over all the trans/homo innuendo in their new products. Oklahoma parents screaming about RPG's trying to turn their kids gay.

And that's the part that weirds me out...

Not being "into" your other hobby, doesn't mean *I* hate you. I don't really care how much you're into . Where is somehow some part of your magical conception of who *you* think you are. That is lunacy to assume anyone else is supposed to feel about as strongly as you.

Where = Anything superfluous to what is part of the average experience.

I have *no* vested interest in the LGBT experience. Zero. Because *I* am not LGBT. I have close friends and relatives that are LGBT, I love them dearly. But I'm not in their world that revolves around whatever they share as an identity. No more than they have *zero* to do with things that I identify with.

I don't assume they hate me for having no interest in my identifications and interests. Why is that not extended from SJW's side? Well individually it can and does happen - but it's about collectivism.

The answer is simple - because the clout gained internally from other SJW's in generating phony outrage is *far* more important, I'd argue it's the most important thing to them. It has very little to do with individuals and their identification - it has to do with creating and codifying a set of "Thou Shalts" from as many disparate sub-cultures as possible in order to gain control over a thing.

The problem is exacerbated because the ideology is being put ahead of the product(s). But because TTRPG's are such a small industry, we're in the tempest-in-the-teapot of shit with SJW shit-stirrers in overwhelming abundance for reasons that have nothing to do with good gaming. Or any other "good" thing.

Quote from: Robyo;1107196I can see WotC and Paizo starting a new Satanic Panic with the Religious Right over all the trans/homo innuendo in their new products. Oklahoma parents screaming about RPG's trying to turn their kids gay.

Eh, it is not RPG products that turn your kid gay, it is the chemicals that the Government is putting into the water supply.

Quote from: S'mon;1105845Yeah, Jessica Price was what drove me from the PF forums, and thus eventually from buying PF.

Jessica Price is not a benefit to the table top RPG hobby.  I wish her focus was on making games more enjoyable, but unfortunately it seems to be on creating division wherever she goes.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1105984It's not preventing games from being sold or played, its pushing back against the politics shoved into the games by voting with your dollars and your time for companies who don't shove politics into their games.

(This is why I stick with AD&D and OD&D, nobody can retcon it and stick politics into it.)

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1107316(This is why I stick with AD&D and OD&D, nobody can retcon it and stick politics into it.)

Fans of the original Star Wars saga might have a story or two to tell you about how that works.

Quote from: Robyo;1107196I can see WotC and Paizo starting a new Satanic Panic with the Religious Right over all the trans/homo innuendo in their new products. Oklahoma parents screaming about RPG's trying to turn their kids gay.

I'm sure WotC and Paizo will be okay forfeiting sales to the children of religious conservative in Oklahoma who won't let their children read about homosexuality. Just as they're okay that religious conservatives who think magic = occult corruption don't buy their books.

Ironically, I just stumbled across an SJW twitter thread where a bunch of D&D SJWs are demanding that people boycott RPGNET (I swear, I initially thought they meant theRPGsite or something, because obvious reasons, but no, RPGNET) because it is not doing enough to gatekeep.  They were saying that RPGnet is basically white-supremacist because its mods will sanction people who go after other posters they personally suspect of having insufficient ideological purity. And given how RPGnet totally doesn't seem to do that, one has to imagine what these posters were doing or saying to actually end up having the RPGnet mods reluctantly issue them a warning or whatever.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1107472Ironically, I just stumbled across an SJW twitter thread where a bunch of D&D SJWs are demanding that people boycott RPGNET (I swear, I initially thought they meant theRPGsite or something, because obvious reasons, but no, RPGNET) because it is not doing enough to gatekeep.  They were saying that RPGnet is basically white-supremacist because its mods will sanction people who go after other posters they personally suspect of having insufficient ideological purity. And given how RPGnet totally doesn't seem to do that, one has to imagine what these posters were doing or saying to actually end up having the RPGnet mods reluctantly issue them a warning or whatever.

Dude you can't just say that and then not link to it.

Quote from: Zalman;1107379Fans of the original Star Wars saga might have a story or two to tell you about how that works.

Well, they can't come to my house and retcon my books, I'll say that much.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1107481Well, they can't come to my house and retcon my books, I'll say that much.

E-books which only work with an online connection are a conspiracy by ret-conners!

"But didn't I read... I'm sure you once wrote..."
"Wait, before you open that file, update to version 1.1.1.3a."
"Hmmm, can't find it now. Did I imagine it?"

Quote from: RPGPundit;1107472Ironically, I just stumbled across an SJW twitter thread where a bunch of D&D SJWs are demanding that people boycott RPGNET (I swear, I initially thought they meant theRPGsite or something, because obvious reasons, but no, RPGNET) because it is not doing enough to gatekeep.

Hilarious! I love it. Their road to insanity has warped into a Moebius Strip!

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1107481Well, they can't come to my house and retcon my books, I'll say that much.

I'm sure they're working on that right now...