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Chaosium's BRP Central, its echo chambers and how the company view me as a customer.

Started by GIMME SOME SUGAR, September 28, 2019, 03:22:14 AM

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Spinachcat

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;1106723Haha, that subforum is hilarious. I wish I could feel safe when discussing games too. But how does that forum work with the idea that gender is just a social construct? If I feel like a woman on Tuesday I must be able to post in that subforum, right?

But only on Tuesdays!!!

Mistwell

Quote from: GIMME SOME SUGAR;11063661) Visit Youtube
2) Do a search for prank calls
3) Select prank calls to serious, big business. I can recommend the Ned calls.
4) Listen to how they handle people who are upset, use dirty words, seem angry, etc.
5) Learn from it


Being an asshole is just as natural as being a fanboy. But I did give them constructive critique too. But those threads got locked, as far as I can recall. On the 19th of August I won a little prize because I had the most liked content of them all and I got my first week ban just a day after that or a couple of days later. Maybe I riled up the paypigs abit too much and found out that other's shared similar views regarding cover art/layout, etc, something MOB disliked?

Look dude (that's just for you, because you're such a sweetheart), Chaosium isn't "big business".

I run a small company (that's 75 years old). If a customer is very rude to me or my staff, I will fire them as a customer. Which is the right thing to do - my employees happiness is far more important than a single customers happiness. Those are fellow human beings working for that company. You are not entitled to bad behavior just because you're buying something from them. The thing you bought is the product, not the right to abuse your peers.

GIMME SOME SUGAR

Quote from: Mistwell;1106952Look dude (that's just for you, because you're such a sweetheart), Chaosium isn't "big business".

I run a small company (that's 75 years old). If a customer is very rude to me or my staff, I will fire them as a customer. Which is the right thing to do - my employees happiness is far more important than a single customers happiness. Those are fellow human beings working for that company. You are not entitled to bad behavior just because you're buying something from them. The thing you bought is the product, not the right to abuse your peers.

Well, hello there yourself, cutie pie. The angry customers usually pop up AFTER having bought a product. Let's say I walk into your 75-year old store and buy a latex vagina in Preussian Blue and call you later, very upset that the beautiful colour washed off in my bath tub or that it failed to fit my Gigantor-sized penis despite your promises. I would naturally be swearing, cursing your business and calling you a liar and a cheat. Would you hang up the phone on me? "Fire" me as a customer? Then you would have to deal with 270 lbs of Cable Guy Angry Customer stalking you, making the whole thing very personal. You can hide, but you can't run. And in the end you would have to wear that latex vagina as a hat.

GIMME SOME SUGAR

Quote from: Spinachcat;1106944But only on Tuesdays!!!

But of course, the rest of the week I identify as an elephant seal.:)

Gagarth

Quote from: HappyDaze;1106780In EP2e, many religions survived the fall, but most lost any centralized organization (Catholicism was an exception as its center moved to the Jovian Republic) and almost all (including Islam) were transformed by the Fall. Overall, religions are only a brief mention in EP2e with only 2 pages in total spent describing them in a 400+ page book. IMO, they really have gone a little far in having people brush off religion and replace it with the new "theology of economic autonomy" because no matter how much the logical foundations of a religion are shaken, it has a lot of cultural and historical momentum that the EP writers generally ignored. Of course, the EP writers are well-known for painting almost everything that currently exists as bad/flawed/inferior compared to the "magical utopian" societies of transhuman autonomists.

That is a really generous reading of that section.  In that section each religion gets text from a follower of that faith apart from Christianity which just gets written of in general section on religion (supposedly written by Tio Silencio which was supposed to be a front for the Joivian Republic in 1st Edition) except from Mormons who get singled out for special attention by an ex-member of the faith.

QuoteCHRISTIANITY
From the Catholic Church to strip-mall Protestantism, the traditional holes Christianity filled didn't exist anymore. Most of Christianity's trappings remain unchanged, perhaps explaining its slide towards irrelevance.

HINDUISM
Posted by: Sarda Duvurri, Firewall Scanner
One of the hallmarks of the oldest organized religion is its ability to adapt. Buddhism? Islam? Simply bends in the river of time. And when you introduce technology that literally embodies the cycles of Samsara, it should come as no surprise that small groups of Hindus still exist among transhumanity.


ISLAM
Posted: Ali Bin Kalifa Al Thani, Firewall Crow
As the conflicts and technologies of the 21st century polarized the world, the ummah faced a crisis of belief. Those who could see beyond the bounds of Earth adapted, and our faith adapted with them. Those who could not largely perished in the Fall. The humanist, secular movements within Islam before and during the Fall helped save countless thousands.

Though the Sunni and Shia divisions remain, their practices have transformed, and many competing schools of thought thrive.
The conservative attitudes towards women, sexuality, and resleeving have largely been discarded.

MORMONISM
Posted by: Ben Mandrake, Firewall Proxy
You may be familiar with Mormon missionaries: cheap morphs, wide grins, always eager to talk to you about their faith. They can still be found haunting the occasional spaceport on habs from Mercury to the Kuiper Belt.

I grew up Mormom, and while I'm not a believer, I've heard things.

'Don't join us. Work hard, get good degrees, join the Establishment and serve our cause from within.' Harry Pollitt - Communist Party GB

"Don't worry about the election, Trump's not gonna win. I made f*cking sure of that!" Eric Coomer -  Dominion Voting Systems Officer of Strategy and Security

lordmalachdrim

Quote from: Gagarth;1106995That is a really generous reading of that section.  In that section each religion gets text from a follower of that faith apart from Christianity which just gets written of in general section on religion (supposedly written by Tio Silencio which was supposed to be a front for the Joivian Republic in 1st Edition) except from Mormons who get singled out for special attention by an ex-member of the faith.

If that is a direct quote from the book wow.
Christianity - no indication who wrote that one line of text, and it just says it's irrelevant.
Hinduism - 1 of two that are shown even remotely positive and it references Islam with it.
Islam - 2nd shown in a positive light. Say how it saved countless lives during the fall and how it's easily (see reference in Hinduism) changed with the times.
Mormonism - conspiratorial end to hat little blurb.

How can you say that the one religion of the three with the same roots that has most staunchly refused to adapt to the modern world suddenly became enlightened while the others just dug in their heels and effectively died out?

TNMalt

The writer is a little harder on Christianity than it should. Catholics would have handled things better than Protestants especially the more conservative prosperity gospel types. Islam handling transhumanism is pretty close and I do like that they had it drop some of the remaining age of ignorance relics from before Islam. Just a side note, the majority of Muslims don't get as bent out of shape on things like evolution as conservative Protestants do. How we got isn't as tied up in their religious identity.

Gagarth

Quote from: TNMalt;1107006The writer is a little harder on Christianity than it should. Catholics would have handled things better than Protestants especially the more conservative prosperity gospel types. Islam handling transhumanism is pretty close and I do like that they had it drop some of the remaining age of ignorance relics from before Islam. Just a side note, the majority of Muslims don't get as bent out of shape on things like evolution as conservative Protestants do. How we got isn't as tied up in their religious identity.

Wow you have drank a lot of the Kool-Aid haven't you and Turkey, the most secular of Islamic countries,   would disagree with your statement about Islam https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/turkish-schools-to-stop-teaching-evolution-official-says.
'Don't join us. Work hard, get good degrees, join the Establishment and serve our cause from within.' Harry Pollitt - Communist Party GB

"Don't worry about the election, Trump's not gonna win. I made f*cking sure of that!" Eric Coomer -  Dominion Voting Systems Officer of Strategy and Security

Abraxus

Most modern religions in general have a hard time adapting to major change of any kind. Islam even more so imo. For it to suddenly become more progressive in the EP setting without any explanation beyond " it suddenly does " is pure bullshit.

Most religions tend to promise a reward of immortality  of some sort past death. Well for most death in EP is a morph away. To make death and the concept of an afterlife itself meaningless imo. Most religions require faith on depending on the religion violence physical and or non-physical is encouraged against the enemies of the faith. As like I said the almighty eternal reward awaits one after death. Which thanks to science and technology allowing most to avoid  it. So why worship religion when the concept of an afterlife is shown to be a sham in EP universe.

So many if not all religions would take a huge hit in popularity. If any religion would survive and adapt imo it would be Catholicism imo. The more repressive, intolerant,  highly resistant to change religions yeah no fuck that,

TNMalt

Misinformed fundys. Have the same issues with conservative muslims as I did with conservative Christians before I reverted.

Spinachcat

Quote from: TNMalt;1107259Misinformed fundys. Have the same issues with conservative muslims as I did with conservative Christians before I reverted.

The problem is Islam like Christianity is an umbrella term for many different sects. Even saying "conservative" only separates groups of sects who may not even agree with each other.

Thus, we can always have lovely miscommunication when discussing who believes what.

At best, we can only discuss "I believe XYZ, what do you believe?" and try to have a discussion from there.

AKA, you and I can skip talking about bacon and chat instead about awesome beef ribs of awesomeness.

TNMalt


soltakss

My take on the original BRP Central thread and this thread is "If you don't want to be treated like a bellend then don't act like a bellend".
Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism  since 1982.

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GIMME SOME SUGAR

Quote from: soltakss;1107427My take on the original BRP Central thread and this thread is "If you don't want to be treated like a bellend then don't act like a bellend".

But that's not how it was. I asked Jeff to define "excellent", then some muslim woman referenced Sharia law and that set it off. That's how it went down. Apparently being a muslim fundy is better than questioning the "excellence" of Sharia.

And as for being a dick in this thread, there's a whole cock bouquet to choose from.

RPGPundit

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Raiders is well worth checking out. Of course, I consulted on it and helped on the magic rules.
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