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Do you believe 2E AD&D gets enough credit for its improvements on 1E?

Started by Razor 007, March 06, 2019, 01:28:59 AM

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Omega

#45
March 14, 2019, 06:54:44 AM
Quote from: Motorskills;1078144I remember buying 2e on the day it came out in the UK, from Hamleys no less. I read it on the way back...and was hugely underwhelmed. At the very least I expected THAC0 to go away.

er? 2e is where THAC0 was introduced? Before that it was the to hit tables.

Omega

#46
March 14, 2019, 06:55:30 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1078842ThAC0 was around before 2e.

It was? Where?

S'mon

#47
March 14, 2019, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: Omega;1078970It was? Where?

1e DMG and then in various 1e & Classic modules/adventures.

S'mon

#48
March 14, 2019, 07:33:51 AM
Quote from: Omega;1078969er? 2e is where THAC0 was introduced? Before that it was the to hit tables.

I think Motorskills is thinking of descending AC, not THAC0 per se.

I know running 1e/2e we generally listed PC THAC0, and you'd soon get stuff like THAC0 -6 at higher level. I think we always ignored the repeating 20s and just did it that a natural 20 always hit.

Razor 007

#49
March 14, 2019, 01:48:35 PM
Quote from: S'mon;1078976I think Motorskills is thinking of descending AC, not THAC0 per se.

I know running 1e/2e we generally listed PC THAC0, and you'd soon get stuff like THAC0 -6 at higher level. I think we always ignored the repeating 20s and just did it that a natural 20 always hit.


For us; a 20 on the Die was always a Critical Hit, and it did Double Damage.
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#50
March 14, 2019, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: S'mon;1078976I think Motorskills is thinking of descending AC, not THAC0 per se.

I know running 1e/2e we generally listed PC THAC0, and you'd soon get stuff like THAC0 -6 at higher level. I think we always ignored the repeating 20s and just did it that a natural 20 always hit.

Yeah. THACO was a progression from the old way of writing down To Hit tables. Instead, characters listed only their To Hit Armor Class Zero value, and then add/subtract the difference to hit a specific armor class.
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Motorskills

#51
March 14, 2019, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: S'mon;1078976I think Motorskills is thinking of descending AC, not THAC0 per se.

I know running 1e/2e we generally listed PC THAC0, and you'd soon get stuff like THAC0 -6 at higher level. I think we always ignored the repeating 20s and just did it that a natural 20 always hit.

Yep. I couldn't believe they didn't grasp the nettle and go for ascending AC, such a PITA.

Interestingly BECMI introduced additional damage when you got past a certain level of stupid.
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Omega

#52
March 14, 2019, 06:15:25 PM Last Edit: March 14, 2019, 06:17:27 PM by Omega
Quote from: Motorskills;1079059Yep. I couldn't believe they didn't grasp the nettle and go for ascending AC, such a PITA.


I could have sworn that 2e introduced ascending AC. But a glance at the AC section and nope. Descending. Even checked Revised AD&D. Still descending. Though Revised did introduce proficiencies into the core books before 2e.

And Revised proves me wrong. Revised was were THAC0 was introduced. In fact Revised reads like a prototype 2e.

Pat

#53
March 14, 2019, 06:33:27 PM
Quote from: Omega;1079074I could have sworn that 2e introduced ascending AC. But a glance at the AC section and nope. Descending. Even checked Revised AD&D. Still descending. Though Revised did introduce proficiencies into the core books before 2e.

And Revised proves me wrong. Revised was were THAC0 was introduced. In fact Revised reads like a prototype 2e.
What is revised AD&D?

Omega

#54
March 15, 2019, 02:21:46 AM
Quote from: Pat;1079077What is revised AD&D?

It is apparently me misreading my own damn book. Thank you TSR!

I was looking instead at the revised 2e book which does not actually say 2e on the cover.

Move along... move along. This isnt the revised you are looking for. :o

S'mon

#55
March 15, 2019, 03:39:08 AM
Quote from: Omega;1079137It is apparently me misreading my own damn book. Thank you TSR!

I was looking instead at the revised 2e book which does not actually say 2e on the cover.

Move along... move along. This isnt the revised you are looking for. :o

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