https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07BS35KQ2/ref=s9u_simh_gw_i1?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pd_rd_i=B07BS35KQ2&pd_rd_r=4fd4797a-4e38-11e8-9cf7-5d44af51fc66&pd_rd_w=VhlbK&pd_rd_wg=HC3dD&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=7ZECNS4RJX3HN5YQBGM6&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=187bec3b-0822-4044-bbe9-441718232b3f&pf_rd_i=desktop

Been waiting for them to finally release it. Let's see if it's any good...

Why should we care? The setting is pretentious and the rules are terrible.

Christ, really? Is it an infomercial?

Emos talking about their love of dice pools and sharing make-up with their goth sister.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1037604Emos talking about their love of dice pools and sharing make-up with their goth sister.

So, true to the fandom, then?

Do they mention the ill fated TV series?

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1037116https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07BS35KQ2/ref=s9u_simh_gw_i1?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pd_rd_i=B07BS35KQ2&pd_rd_r=4fd4797a-4e38-11e8-9cf7-5d44af51fc66&pd_rd_w=VhlbK&pd_rd_wg=HC3dD&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=7ZECNS4RJX3HN5YQBGM6&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=187bec3b-0822-4044-bbe9-441718232b3f&pf_rd_i=desktop

Been waiting for them to finally release it. Let's see if it's any good...

Not available in the United States...




and anyway, I thought the documentary was

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000O14VAU?ref=sr_1_1_acs_kn_imdb_pa_dp&qid=1525667602&sr=1-1-acs&autoplay=0

Not available in the US? That's pretty odd.

Not available in the US? Surely there's a trailer.

And yes, it's exactly what you expect.

Burn it all to ash.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1037122Why should we care? The setting is pretentious and the rules are terrible.

Please explain.  I've never heard anyone say that before!

In the first few seconds: "Throughout the seventies and eighties, roleplaying games were all fantasy games."

So that's either ignorance or deliberate revisionism. I suspect the former for many of the fans, and the latter for anybody working in the industry.

1975: Boot Hill
1976: Metamorphosis Alpha
1978: Traveller
1979: Villains & Vigilantes
1980: The Morrow Project
1980: Top Secret
1980: Skull & Crossbones
1981: Call of Cthulhlu
1982: Behind Enemy Lines
1982: Gangbusters
1983: Stalking the Night Fantastic
1983: Timeship
1983: Victorian Adventure
1984: Skyrealms of Jorune
1984: Toon
1984: Mekton
1984: Paranoia
1985: Judge Dredd
1986: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles & Other Strangeness
1987: Beyond the Supernatural
1987: Ninjas & Superspies
1987: Star Wars the RPG
1988: Cyberpunk
1988: Space 1889
1989: Shadowrun

1990: Nightlife.

Quote from: TJS;1038023Please explain.  I've never heard anyone say that before!

Quote from: TJS;1038023Please explain.  I've never heard anyone say that before!

Elsewhere I answered a WoD fan when they asked me why I was not really into Vampire by mentioning  the risible stereotypes, mawkish lyric-quotations, cumbersome "fish bowl" dice pools, goth-munchkinism, agency-robbing metaplots, God-awful fan fic printing and cynical money-squeezing and her reaction was ...

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I thought we had gotten rid of Vampire-chic when Twilight left its broken pale corpse strewn in its wake.

Don't say we have to go through this again. I thought that was the only good thing to come out of that embarrassing drivel of a franchise.

[video=youtube;2MBgGTIk2mw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MBgGTIk2mw[/youtube]

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1038178I thought we had gotten rid of Vampire-chic when Twilight left its broken pale corpse strewn in its wake.

Don't say we have to go through this again. I thought that was the only good thing to come out of that embarrassing drivel of a franchise.

I'll do the reverse. I'll say we don't have to go through this again. As in, it will be very easy to ignore (unless you don't want to). We haven't gotten rid of Vampire-chic, but it is at a near-nadir. The 3-5% of gamers who are into it and will always be into it are, surprise surprise, into it. The heyday of the 90s where other gamers got into WoD (and other goths got into gaming exclusively for it) are long gone, and unlikely to return. nWoD is chugging along anemically, The oWoD 20th anniversary KSs have all come to fruition, causing... well, pretty much just those 3-5% of gamers to have slightly lighter wallets and nothing else, and V5 is apparently coming sometime (where it will undoubtedly hit the industry as a whole with an amazing wave of mutual indifference). In an era with WotC-Piazo battling for the top spot, yet another Star Wars RPG, OSR gaming going from indie to mature (as well as the PDF, POD, and social media advertising models making the whole endeavor exceedingly low-entry-barrier), and even the hated storygames eating into the WoD's non-goth-focused-base, I just don't see the fact that a few small pockets of the gaming-world still having some interest in the game as anything more than a mildly interesting footnote.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;1038192I'll do the reverse. I'll say we don't have to go through this again. As in, it will be very easy to ignore (unless you don't want to). We haven't gotten rid of Vampire-chic, but it is at a near-nadir. The 3-5% of gamers who are into it and will always be into it are, surprise surprise, into it. The heyday of the 90s where other gamers got into WoD (and other goths got into gaming exclusively for it) are long gone, and unlikely to return. nWoD is chugging along anemically, The oWoD 20th anniversary KSs have all come to fruition, causing... well, pretty much just those 3-5% of gamers to have slightly lighter wallets and nothing else, and V5 is apparently coming sometime (where it will undoubtedly hit the industry as a whole with an amazing wave of mutual indifference). In an era with WotC-Piazo battling for the top spot, yet another Star Wars RPG, OSR gaming going from indie to mature (as well as the PDF, POD, and social media advertising models making the whole endeavor exceedingly low-entry-barrier), and even the hated storygames eating into the WoD's non-goth-focused-base, I just don't see the fact that a few small pockets of the gaming-world still having some interest in the game as anything more than a mildly interesting footnote.

Fine post. Well put.:cool: