Quote from: trechriron;1032549Here's what Pathfinder needs to do for 2e to be more successful:

I think it is impossible for any game to be more successful than PF1 because the vacuum left by 4e is no more.

Quote from: fearsomepirate;1032561I think it is impossible for any game to be more successful than PF1 because the vacuum left by 4e is no more.

At least as a market-share %. If the TTRPG market continues to expand it could potentially be more profitable.  (I'm not saying that it WILL be - just that it COULD be.)

Ah.  Todays blog is goblin PCs.  Well... Some hints about ancestries at least.

Goblins are going to wind up as Pathfinder kender...if they aren't at some tables already.

Regarding PF 1e.  I gave that up years ago once 5e came along.
I enjoyed PF 1e, but it got too cumbersome from level 11+

Regarding Starfinder.
It actually sounds really interesting, but I fairly recently got the Stars Without number 2nd ed book and I'm mostly into that for my Scifi fix and have been using SWN 1st ed previously for several years.
So a Pathfinder Scifi game is not something I'd buy atm, as I get my Scifi fix from SWN.

As to PF 2e, well I'm pretty happy with DnD 5e really, so don't see much point into buying into PF 2e.
As it turns out for me, I pretty much have all the 5e books I want or need for years now, so I probably won't be buying any more 5e books either.  
Not because I'm tired of 5e, but because it's very good, easy to adapt other systems to and I have lots of the books already to keep me with material for years.  

I expect if there's a DnD 6e at some stage in several years, I'd probably buy it if it sounds like something I'd be into though.
But a pf 2e released over the next year or so is too soon for me to buy into.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;1032562At least as a market-share %. If the TTRPG market continues to expand it could potentially be more profitable.  (I'm not saying that it WILL be - just that it COULD be.)

I think the natural market share for a fantasy heartbreaker is 1% or less. If you want to make a splash, you need a better idea than "Greyhawk monsters and Vancian casting...but slightly more different than the last time!"

Quote from: fearsomepirate;1032561I think it is impossible for any game to be more successful than PF1 because the vacuum left by 4e is no more.

Pretty much, the OGL goblin was set loose, and now WoTC figured out how to make it work FOR them.

Quote from: sureshot;1031380Sorry Pundit I have to disagree with you on this one. We don't know that it will automatically fail imo. It may or may not. Assuming it will is just projecting one own bias into the argument. Player assumed 5E would fail before release and have been proven wrong.

There's a different set of data available here. 5e, before it came out, was an unknown quantity when 4e had been a disaster. It was logical for some people to imagine that maybe 5e would also suck.

On the other hand, Paizo is now competing with 5e which is a huge runaway success. Their company needs something that would also be a runaway success to the degree that it would compete with 5e as well as Pathfinder competed with 4e. That's virtually impossible.

Quote from: Lynn;1031637I don't see them actually failing in the next five years but I do think they are going to see their customer base get eaten away.

Well, it took White Wolf about a decade to completely collapse.

Quote from: Mistwell;1031739I'd be comfortable if I were wrong Though, I don't want any RPG company to fail really. Most of the Paizo people seem like pretty good people.

Another point where we disagree.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1032699Pretty much, the OGL goblin was set loose, and now WoTC figured out how to make it work FOR them.

It seems to me it was already working for them 2000-2008, but they didn't realise this, and shutting it down with 4e hurt them much more than they expected, because there was little 3rd party support. Running 4e currently I'm using many of the 4e Dungeon Crawl Classics modules from ca 2008 because I don't much like most of the official stuff. 5e went back to embracing the OGL, but more than that they designed a game which is easy to use with WotC's own back catalogue, driving pdf sales of their old stuff.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1032699Pretty much, the OGL goblin was set loose, and now WoTC figured out how to make it work FOR them.

It seems to me it was already working for them 2000-2008, but they didn't realise this, and shutting it down with 4e hurt them much more than they expected, because there was little 3rd party support. Running 4e currently I'm using many of the 4e Dungeon Crawl Classics modules from ca 2008 because I don't much like most of the official stuff. 5e went back to embracing the OGL, but more than that they designed a game which is easy to use with WotC's own back catalogue, driving pdf sales of their old stuff.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1032914Another point where we disagree.

Maybe they'll calm down now their two most fanatic SJW witch-burners have left (and have attacked Paizo)? Most of them seem to be pretty typical goofy Seattle left-liberals, not truly malevolent?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1032914Another point where we disagree.

Maybe they'll calm down now their two most fanatic SJW witch-burners have left (and have attacked Paizo)? Most of them seem to be pretty typical goofy Seattle left-liberals, not truly malevolent?

My lack of hype for 2e stems from two areas: the mediocrity of Starfinder and abysmal Shifter class that Paizo released right before the announcement of 2e.

That's colored all my thoughts on the previews. What would have seemed cool to me before (resonance) now just reminds me of item levels. And I can't think they are getting class balance right after the release of the Shifter or the "12 levels of features stretched over 20 levels" classes of Starfinder.

Though the announcement did convince our group to try out 4e since it's as dead as PF 1e and one guy in our group has all the books. PF 2e is competing for the heavy crunch spot at our table. We're already got Savage Worlds for mid crunch and if we get tired of that there are OSR games to try out like DCC. What's tough for PF 2e at our table is:
Can they make it easier to run?
Can they make it so that building a trash character is hard?
Can it be palatable to the players that don't care for complexity?

Quote from: James Gillen;1032302I know Green Ronin isn't too popular here, but Mutants & Masterminds 3 is essentially based on the concept of 5 point degrees of success (+5 over difficulty is first degree, etc.) and they certainly get it across more concisely.

Talislanta/Omni did the same thing decades ago. IIRC, it's something like:

d20

1 or lower: Critical fail
2-5: Fail
6-10: Partial success
11-19: Full success
20+: Critical success