As it weaved in and out of here I figured this would be a good topic to discuss (and its probably been already discussed here) so sue me,

http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?37811-Classes-that-don-t-fit-the-game

The question revolves around 18/00 and how often you've seen it, legitimate or not.

In my current (25 years) gaming group when we play we usually go 4d6 arrange to taste regardless of who is DMing when we play (A)D&D. Thinking back over the years I've seen it a couple of times and the ones I can recall were legit rolls.

For my own part I've legitimately rolled it for only one of my characters over the years. Ironically enough (given the fact this came up in thread posted above) it was for a late 1st edition game in the FR playing a paladin-cavalier (may have been a cavalier only- don't recall) and rolled it for strength. Funny considering the ability to raise stats through leveling up with first edition cavaliers; didn't need it for strength obviously. In this case I want to say it was 4d6.

I've come close other times including an elf F/M/T with (I think) 18/98. Generally speaking I'm OK when it comes to character creation rolls, terrible with combat rolls, like really bad when I'm playing. I once had a six year stretch with playing regularly but didn't roll a 20 during that stretch.

In terms of the group I've seen a few roll it.

Now when it comes to DMing I've had an uncanny ability to roll it for NPCs, its weird. Its like the dice know or something...

Basically you only see these kinds of stats because ceople fucking cheat. And it gets reinforced by the game publishers because they also routinely jack up stats of NPC's to absurd levels.

I think you either have to drop the hammer on this issue and make people roll up characters in front of you, or add a house rule that lets you raise stats over time, e.g., maybe you get a point in a stat point every time you go up a level or two. That way people wouldn't have such a tremendous pressure to have high stats when the character is created, which drives them to cheat.

I've never seen anyone roll it in person. I've seen maybe 18/91. I seldom see 18s at all, much less multiple 18s or 18/00. I've seen guys bring character sheets they "rolled at home" where they have 18, 18, 14, 12, 11, 6 and claim they were "on a roll until I got that six!" And of course the 6 was always in the "dump" stat for that player. Personally I'm a dick and disallow anything that wasn't rolled in plain sight.

I haven't played a game where stats worked like this in twenty or more years so...

Off the top of my head I can recall a few characters I rolled up with decently high STR but no, I'm pretty sure I've never rolled a legit 18/00. I'm pretty sure I've never PLAYED a character with anything better than 18/30~.  But then in those days I preferred Thieves and Assassins, so take that with a grain of salt.

Frankly its debates like this that make me rather glad to have 'moved on'.

Quote from: Willmark;1001633As it weaved in and out of here I figured this would be a good topic to discuss (and its probably been already discussed here) so sue me,

http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?37811-Classes-that-don-t-fit-the-game

The question revolves around 18/00 and how often you've seen it, legitimate or not.

In my current (25 years) gaming group when we play we usually go 4d6 arrange to taste regardless of who is DMing when we play (A)D&D. Thinking back over the years I've seen it a couple of times and the ones I can recall were legit rolls.

For my own part I've legitimately rolled it for only one of my characters over the years. Ironically enough (given the fact this came up in thread posted above) it was for a late 1st edition game in the FR playing a paladin-cavalier (may have been a cavalier only- don't recall) and rolled it for strength. Funny considering the ability to raise stats through leveling up with first edition cavaliers; didn't need it for strength obviously. In this case I want to say it was 4d6.

I've come close other times including an elf F/M/T with (I think) 18/98. Generally speaking I'm ok when it comes to character creation rolls, terrible with combat rolls, liek really bad when I'm playing. I once had a six year stretch with playing regularly but didn't roll a 20 during that stretch.

In terms of the group I've seen a few roll it.

Now when it comes to DMing I've had an uncanny ability to roll it for NPCs, its weird. Its like the dice know or something...

when I was rolling a fighter and got a 18/92 for exceptional strength. I decided to make him a half orc and my dungeon master agreed that the +1 strength bonus pushed it to 18/00. That is the only legitimate 18/00 strength character either my own or another players in 30 years.

The character sheet
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For whatever reason I decided to document this character properly so I filled out the adventure record sheet after each session.

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Quote from: Larsdangly;1001636Basically you only see these kinds of stats because ceople fucking cheat. And it gets reinforced by the game publishers because they also routinely jack up stats of NPC's to absurd levels.

I think you either have to drop the hammer on this issue and make people roll up characters in front of you, or add a house rule that lets you raise stats over time, e.g., maybe you get a point in a stat point every time you go up a level or two. That way people wouldn't have such a tremendous pressure to have high stats when the character is created, which drives them to cheat.

I agree. People have to roll in front of me for stats (usually dont have any problems) in our group.

For my one character I rolled it for it was in front of the entire group and DM, rather shocking would have been around 1986/87 so early teen years. Campaign didnt last too long as I recall and he was a paladin of Torm. I later made him into a NPC in another campaign world, still don't recall if he was a paladin-cavalier but I seem to remember him that way. Dont have the original character sheet.

Under UA, we had a cavalier that was able to raise his Strength from 18/51 to 18/00 over several levels.

Indeed, UA seemed to assume that characters would have their ability scores raised magically so they are 19,20, or 21.

AD&D is not D&D. It had a different range for ability scores and the rolling methods were different to make higher rolls more likely. Getting an 18 was not a big deal. 18/00 more so, but even that is generally good only until you get a girdle of giant strength

I've seen it two times in 30+ years of AD&D/EPT once a player in one of my games, another time my friend rolled it in someone else's game, and I just rolled a 100 a few months ago in an EPT game (not 18/00, but close enough). In all three cases the stats were rolled in order, in front of the DM. So it does happen.
I also would never let someone bring in a pre-rolled character. This is one of the few steadfast rules I have as a DM.

One of the best things about The Fantasy Trip: when it comes to stats, you get what you get and you don't get upset. Distribute your 32 points and start playing; if you don't like it, get the F out.

A couple of 18-90 somethings. No actual 18-00s. Super duper stats aren't such a huge deal if there is the potential to pick up Gauntlets of Ogre Power or a Girdle of Giant Strength.

Quote from: Bren;1001664Super duper stats aren't such a huge deal if there is the potential to pick up Gauntlets of Ogre Power or a Girdle of Giant Strength.

Super duper stats aren't such a huge deal at all to me...regardless of magic.

Never saw 18/00 in my 2E days, which spanned about a decade.

I've seen it twice. Back when we were kids and we played nearly everyday.

Neither fighter lived long due to typical bad luck and false confidence.

I dropped using the Greyhawk stat rules a long time ago, so I won't ever see one.  Never did before, either.