It's probably no surprise that i agree with much of what Ian has said, but let's not get on the witch-hunt train, here. Tell him he's a cunt and move on. He sucks in a new victim every now and then and i have to put up with reading endless to and fros that are basicaly, "i know you are, but what am i?" This would be removed if he was told what a prat he was and then not engaged with again.

I also think that RPG posts should consist of more than just commenting on the comments of others, but that's just me.

Quote from: RPGPundit;259867I'm not going to create a single fixed-in-stone policy about that, that's just an invitation for people to later on start abusing such a "rule" in one way or another, or to use that policy against me.

Okay, I understand the logic here; it strikes me as excessively cagey, but there's no doubt that it causes less harm than would ensue if you actually did state a strict policy and then went against it.

By the way, I know you're just giving examples above, but I do use my real name on this site and I'd prefer not to have seriously defamatory sentences appear with my name in them even as examples, lest they turn up in Google summaries or such. So I'd appreciate if you'd edit your post.

Quote from: RPGPundit;259854I tend, more often than not, to disagree with Cavscout's political position. I have endorsed Obama, you know.  I just don't see much of what he's doing as being very different than what other posters do here, except for it being on an end of the political spectrum that the majority of posters here do not subscribe to.

No, I think he is a good deal more extreme than other posters, but perhaps not so much 'different'.

QuoteI do think that at times he ends up being annoying on the site, particularly when he gets swept up in a feud with another poster (like he recently has with Jackalope, for example), but "being annoying" alone is not a measure for any kind of moderation on this site.

I would hope not, and I would not endorse booting anyone for that reason.

QuotePS: If you disagree, and you think he's being directly disruptive of the site, feel free to build a case against him on a thread here, and I'll consider it. If he has, he's managed to do so in a way that has avoided my noticing.

I think he is starting to drag politics all over his threads now, as was done in this thread.  It's not possible that people don't like him around because he never actually engages in a conversation, oh no, it has to be because of the 'liberal conspiracy' that is out to quash his 'TROOFS' that anyone even slightly left of him can't handle.

What I was actually referring to, however, is that people that think like him, that they have the ultimate truth that is plain to see, tend to have that re-inforced by the number of people that disagree with it or attack them personally.  You mention that there are a crapload of reports that say "I hate his politics", which only makes him that much more convinced that he has 'the TRUTH!'.

What I am starting to see happen is that now he is waving his politics around on other forums, as a banner.  I already mentioned that I have personally had run-ins with others who share his political views, but on RPG related topics, politics doesn't enter into it.  I think Mr Skach and I agree on a good deal more relating to RPG matters than we disagree.  I am not sure if Jeff37923 and I could be any more seperated on the political spectrum, but we both totally dig Traveller (he sent me a copy for free!) in an unholy manner, and have other RPG views that are similar.

The point I am driving at is:  any of those with which I normally disagree with politically will concede a point in an RPG thread, if presented well.  I have conceded points to others, when they are presented well.  I haven't found an occasion to call any of them a douchebag.  Mr Morrow presented points to argue against, at the very least.

Walker had his meltdown and is probably enjoying his martyr status, which is unfortunate, as he had a good record of contributions otherwise.  But if dragging a topic up across forums is bannable, I think crying 'leftie' at every opportunity should merit at least a warning.  And I agree with Kyle on one point:  drop Politics from the New Posts listing.

Quote from: Elliot Wilen;259877Okay, I understand the logic here; it strikes me as excessively cagey, but there's no doubt that it causes less harm than would ensue if you actually did state a strict policy and then went against it.

By the way, I know you're just giving examples above, but I do use my real name on this site and I'd prefer not to have seriously defamatory sentences appear with my name in them even as examples, lest they turn up in Google summaries or such. So I'd appreciate if you'd edit your post.

Ok, done, but someone named Joe is going to be seriously pissed off.

RPGPundit

Quote from: StormBringer;259880What I am starting to see happen is that now he is waving his politics around on other forums, as a banner.  I already mentioned that I have personally had run-ins with others who share his political views, but on RPG related topics, politics doesn't enter into it.  I think Mr Skach and I agree on a good deal more relating to RPG matters than we disagree.  I am not sure if Jeff37923 and I could be any more seperated on the political spectrum, but we both totally dig Traveller (he sent me a copy for free!) in an unholy manner, and have other RPG views that are similar.

Ok, fair enough: Cavscout, consider this a very initial and mostly pre-emptive warning: don't start bringing your politics into the regular RPG topics.
Likewise, don't start posting in a thread just to insult or attack another poster if you have no interest or nothing significant to say about the subject matter of the actual thread at hand.

Feel free to post more about RPGs, rather than politics.

RPGPundit

Huh? Now shamusing, dobbers, report buttons, warnings?

Sorry, that doesn´t mesh with my vision.

Bye.

Well, bye.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;259887Ok, fair enough: Cavscout, consider this a very initial and mostly pre-emptive warning: don't start bringing your politics into the regular RPG topics.
Likewise, don't start posting in a thread just to insult or attack another poster if you have no interest or nothing significant to say about the subject matter of the actual thread at hand.

Feel free to post more about RPGs, rather than politics.

No worries, I won't start doing any of those. Probably not worth it to point out any number of RPG threads I've been in where none of this has occured to counter the claims that I "always" do this or that, is it?

Quote from: Settembrini;259890Huh? Now shamusing, dobbers, report buttons, warnings?

Sorry, that doesn´t mesh with my vision.

Bye.

See you next week.

Quote from: CavScout;259894Probably not worth it to point out any number of RPG threads I've been in where none of this has occured to counter the claims that I "always" do this or that, is it?

I think it's entirely worth pointing out.  I meant it as a compliment when I commented on our brief exchange in the "2300 AD" thread, but it didn't go down well.

!i!

Quote from: StormBringer;259880I think Mr Skach and I agree on a good deal more relating to RPG matters than we disagree.

Dude, leave me out of it. Don't go dragging me into your little world and ascribing relatively reasonable behavior - my reputation will be in the squat-box in no time at all.

Quote from: StormBringer;259880Walker had his meltdown and is probably enjoying his martyr status, which is unfortunate, as he had a good record of contributions otherwise.  But if dragging a topic up across forums is bannable, I think crying 'leftie' at every opportunity should merit at least a warning.  And I agree with Kyle on one point:  drop Politics from the New Posts listing.

On a more serious note: I've noticed people reference the dragging of a specific theme across posts and forums - and I have to wonder if part of this might be the actual content involved. In other words, what CS drags his politics (I drag my laziness, my wooden leg, and my propensity to break wind at the slightest hint of confrontation), while the recently banned were dragging the technical difference between a mental illness classification and the action that results from it - the latter of which, in this case, is considered by most (if not all) here as one of the more reprehensible acts known to us.

So while dragging a ball and chain around to every thread might well be considered "disruptive" to others, I would be interested in hearing if it's as disruptive to the site as when it's combined with content of a less desirable nature (perhaps that being the breaking point) - Pundit?

As for walkerp (I ignored Fritz for the most part, though not through IL), while I disagreed with him most vehemently - even on some gaming related topics (see our first exchange, it's a doozy!), I think he was a decent contributor. But I have a weird sense that there was a motive beyond any of this and that all of this, though apologized for on Sett's blog, was the point.

Quote from: James J Skach;259918Dude, leave me out of it. Don't go dragging me into your little world and ascribing relatively reasonable behavior - my reputation will be in the squat-box in no time at all.

Ha!  Foolish mortal!  I will show the world how level-headed you are!

QuoteOn a more serious note: I've noticed people reference the dragging of a specific theme across posts and forums - and I have to wonder if part of this might be the actual content involved. In other words, what CS drags his politics (I drag my laziness, my wooden leg, and my propensity to break wind at the slightest hint of confrontation), while the recently banned were dragging the technical difference between a mental illness classification and the action that results from it - the latter of which, in this case, is considered by most (if not all) here as one of the more reprehensible acts known to us.

I can see that, but Walker was sticking to his topic, albeit to his detriment.  In other words, he was railing against his bizarre notion of the restriction of free speech around here in an RPG thread, then took the argument to an off-topic thread.  If he started wandering into threads and pointing out that some people were trying to silence him because they didn't share his views on wholly unrestricted free speech, I would be all over that, too.

I agree that the topic they chose to make a stand with was unfortunate.  

QuoteSo while dragging a ball and chain around to every thread might well be considered "disruptive" to others, I would be interested in hearing if it's as disruptive to the site as when it's combined with content of a less desirable nature (perhaps that being the breaking point) - Pundit?

I'm not answering for Pundit, of course, but I did want to address the point.  Let's say a certain acorn loving squine was going into several threads a day and mentioning how well this game or that would play using Squirrels in the Vineyard, or Squirrel'd.  Initially, probably not too much disruption, but at some point, everyone is going to start jumping on them to shut up about the squirrels, already.  It's not the posting, in my opinion, that causes the disruption.  It's the inevitable consequence when those posts, no matter how short, start eliciting responses for them to just go play with their nuts.  Which may or may not encourage others of a like mind to join in, because hey, squirrels.

QuoteAs for walkerp (I ignored Fritz for the most part, though not through IL), while I disagreed with him most vehemently - even on some gaming related topics (see our first exchange, it's a doozy!), I think he was a decent contributor. But I have a weird sense that there was a motive beyond any of this and that all of this, though apologized for on Sett's blog, was the point.

As I mentioned before, I was hardly the most avid reader of Walker's posts, so your gut feeling, coupled with Pundit's declaration of Walker's intent is enough to convince me his motives here weren't entirely altruistic.  Nonetheless, as you mention, his RPG contributions were solid.

Quote from: Ian Absentia;259915I think it's entirely worth pointing out.  I meant it as a compliment when I commented on our brief exchange in the "2300 AD" thread, but it didn't go down well.

But it "didn't go down" in the RPG forums now did it? See, that's the point, you've got folks making demonstratively false claims that I "always" do this or that in RPG threads. When someone makes such a claim, it takes but a single instance to prove it to be untrue.

Quote from: CavScout;259929But it "didn't go down" in the RPG forums now did it? See, that's the point, you've got folks making demonstratively false claims that I "always" do this or that in RPG threads. When someone makes such a claim, it takes but a single instance to prove it to be untrue.

For my part, I didn't say 'always'.  A careful reading of my post shows the phrase 'starting to see', for which Pundit would have told me to fuck off over if he disagreed or thought I was stirring shit.

The fact of the matter is, you did such in this very thread.

Quote from: RPGPundit;259855Quite a few people have complained about him. You'll have to take my word for it, because I don't go around "naming names", that would be counterproductive. Of course, if someone wants to step up and admit to having complained about him, there's no problem with that. Suffice it to say I've gotten more than a couple of PMs or emails from more than a couple of different posters about him, the latest one just today.

I'll take your word for it based on our interactions in PM about administrative matters. Cavscout's politics is not the issue. His disruptive behaviour is his lies and evasion tactics that disrupts the threads he's participating in. I think it says a lot that this guy was banned from Tangency for reporting others on troll threads he started. This is the kind of poster he is. So, you warning him about not dragging his politics into other threads misses the point. We are talking about a social activity here. Our individual politics of course infleunces the way how we see this activity.

There are many Republicans/Conservatives (Democrats/Liberals) on this board who bring their politics into gaming discussions without having to resort to lies and evasions. And remember, Cavscout himself admitted that the only reason why he keeps posting is to provoke a response. If a warning has to be issued, it shoud not be about him dragging his politics into the RPG section but rather of his dishonest posting style.

Regards,
David R