Read their thread called "moderator policy".

RPGPundit

...well it´s the proto-fascist mindset, definitely. Seems someone must open a truly free-speech english language forum.

Well, Sett, I think you might be kind of nuts, but its good to know at least that you're not a hypocrite.

RPGPundit

Quote from: HinterWelt;302000And we have discussed it and decided to not allow that talk on the theHaven. It should be noted that Pundit's name is a matter of public record, there is about a 15 second Google search to find it. I do not offer this as an excuse but as advice to Pundit. I can find pictures of him and his full name with, as I said, about 15 seconds and google. I would be happy to show him how I do this (in private of course) but I would suggest he ask someone he trusts more...maybe Brett or Storm Bringer.

Oh wow, that was easy to find. I'd never actually had any interest in the information prior to finding out that it was such a big deal to know, but so easy to discover.

Don't worry Pundit old boy, your secret is safe with me!

Wow, doing a search for a guy's private information. What an absolutely douchey  thing to do. Reminds me of shit that goes on on ISCABBS or InaraBBS.
 
 What are ya, fuckin papparazzi for Pundit?

Welcome to the Internet.

I think the idea of the RPG Haven is ridiculous.

It's obviously a site for those that are butthurt by the Pundy. There's nothing you can get there that you couldn't get here.

They have all the same posters as post/used to post here, posting about the same shit. Except Kyle Aaron, who got banned (he literally asked for it).

There's no need for the Haven. I don't have time to check multiple boards for the same damn stuff.

If anyone is interested in the truth of the situation in terms of moderation on the Haven, here is the thread and you can read it for yourself:
The Haven Moderation Policy thread.

Pertinent to understanding what is going on there is that it is an open discussion about how the members want the site moderated. No a "polis" of the select members that Jim and I think are worthy of contributing but anyone who is interested in how the site is run. It will evolve and change.So, I do not know we have a "moderator policy" that is written in stone and everyone has a stake in it.

Quote from: KrakaJak;302043They have all the same posters as post/used to post here, posting about the same shit. Except Kyle Aaron, who got banned (he literally asked for it).

For the sake of truth, in short supply in this thread, Kyle is not banned. Nor is anyone. There has not been a single banning on the Haven.

Quote from: KrakaJak;302043I think the idea of the RPG Haven is ridiculous.

It's obviously a site for those that are butthurt by the Pundy. There's nothing you can get there that you couldn't get here.

They have all the same posters as post/used to post here, posting about the same shit. Except Kyle Aaron, who got banned (he literally asked for it).

There's no need for the Haven. I don't have time to check multiple boards for the same damn stuff.

First off, I want to say that I think the complaint that started this thread is pointless.

Krakajak:  You say that "thre is nothing that you can find at the Haven that you cant find here.   There is nothing that you can find here that you cant find on rpg.net, enworld or any other rpg site.

But there are all of the different message boards and they are active and some people only post at a specific forum and some people post at various forums.

There is nothing wrong with multiple forums

Quote from: Hairfoot;301838Does this site really need to steal thread topics without attribution?

Plagiarism, like copyright, is not about ideas, it's about the particular manner of expression of an idea.

If I'm at a party and it's fallen silent in my little group, and in the next group I hear them say, "and that new tax they're bringing in -" it's not "plagiarism" for me to turn to my group and say, "did you hear about that new tax they're bringing in?" That's just the way conversations go.

A principle in copyright law is also the "doctrine of merger", which is that if there are only so many ways of expressing a fairly common thing, you can't really protect that particular expression. There are only so many ways to say, "and then the players roll for initiative", for example, so TSR couldn't have sued the other 100 or so rpgs published in the first few years for including some phrase like that.

Likewise, there are only so many topics in rpg discussion, particular phrases are going to pop up again and again.

Finally, like many people new to therpgsite, you're confusing RPGPundit with therpgsite as a whole. You think you're attacking therpgsite by attacking him; you're not. You're just being a cocksmock and trying to disrupt conversations here.

And cocksmocks also are those threatening to reveal personal shit about Pundit. I think his concern for privacy is loopy and ultimately futile, but if that's what he wants, well who cares? Leave him to it. Don't be a cunt.

This cross-board rivalry nonsense is childish. I believe in a free market of discussion forums, let the best one gain the most members and get better still, let the dull ones perish naturally. In a competition, you don't win by complaining about the competition, you welcome the competition as it makes you improve yourself. And of course, there is no final winner in a free market, no time when people buy just that one product. Likewise, there'll never be a time when all rpg discussion is at one website and with just one style. And that's a good thing.

therpgsite and rpghaven both need to stop bitching about the existence of competition, and get off their arses to make their own forums the best they can.

A forum is nothing more than the sum of all the posts to it. Make yours worthwhile. And make them about rpgs, you drongos.

Quote from: SettembriniBye

Settembrini, no matter how many times you post to say you won't be posting anymore, nobody is going to beg you to stay. Sorry. That's not personal, it's just the way therpgsite is. If you want warm fuzzies and a "community" of people asking after you and begging you to hang around, try rpg.net Tangency.

Quote from: KrakaJak;302043They have all the same posters as post/used to post here, posting about the same shit. Except Kyle Aaron, who got banned (he literally asked for it).

I did? Wow, I didn't even know. I just posted a few times, I remember thinking they were being cocksmocks - all the guys who over here were jumping in and flaming the fuck out of people, or sniping away droog-style, were suddenly all precious and wanting to talk nice. So I walked away.

I guess I'll have to go and have a look and see what happened, now. I certainly hope Settembrini didn't hop up to defend me!

Edit: I'm not banned from there, you cocksmock. Stop trying to stir cross-board shit.

I also think the thread that started this conversation was pointless. There's no reason why content couldn't exist in both places.

Pundit has been more than fair here, works hard to seed conversations (which is a bit of a lost art) and he has an admirable free speech policy. I think it's obvious that theRPGHaven wouldn't exist with out the community building this place had to begin with.

Ironically, the only reason I ever registered at the other site is someone kept bringing me up specifically (by name) in a post yanked from here. So much for plagiarism.

That said, I don't feel completely comfortable in either place.

I don't envy moderation here.

I like Pundy.  I'm a mod here (not that it's a huge burden, but still).  I enjoy and lurk on both boards, occasionally swooping in with a comment or thread.

Guys, I'm 29 years old.  We just had our third kid this year.  When I want to do any writing or gaming planning, it usually means not sleeping.

I love this hobby. I love designing campaigns, I love reading people's thoughts on games, I love discussing GMing.  And I have less and less time to spend on those things.

So yeah, I'm a member on both boards. And I don't have the time to muck up the time I can spend here and there on pointless and back-and-forth non-gaming bullshit.  So I'll stay a member of both, and will blissfully ignore all this shit so long as I can.

Aww man... People were having a lovely flame war about nothing, until you ruined it with some common sense. Why, Zach, why?