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Title: Level up!
Post by: Guest (Deleted) on February 28, 2006, 12:34:18 PM
Ok, I'll try to concentrate real hard here so I can be clear.  I even spent two hours on this post.

You'll notice many features are off - avatars, PM's, reputation, etc.  These exist - but you gain access to features as your post count (aka experience) climbs.  Be cautious of posting for posting's sake cause I got a wand of level drain right here :)
Title: Level up!
Post by: fett527 on February 28, 2006, 12:37:00 PM
hmmmm....

The plot thickens.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Chacal on February 28, 2006, 12:37:04 PM
Damn you're fast !
I was just about to start the traditional complaint thread about all those features we cannot live without ;)

Chacal
Title: Level up!
Post by: fett527 on February 28, 2006, 12:38:30 PM
Quote from: ChacalDamn you're fast !
I was just about to start the traditional complaint thread about all those features we cannot live without ;)

Chacal
Knew he needed to get the message out quickly.;)
Title: Level up!
Post by: BillyBeanbag on February 28, 2006, 12:39:18 PM
Administrative Forum? Should I be here?!

I like the sound of your plans, Pooka and look forward to being a party to them.
Title: Level up!
Post by: fett527 on February 28, 2006, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: BillyBeanbagAdministrative Forum? Should I be here?!

I like the sound of your plans, Pooka and look forward to being a party to them.
I'm warming to the idea, to be sure.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Eldritch on February 28, 2006, 12:42:23 PM
Intriguing idea that, earning features. Now the power gamer in me is curious as to what the level(post count) requirments for each feature are?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Chacal on February 28, 2006, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: fett527Knew he needed to get the message out quickly.;)
He still should be cautious about anticipating our needs, because we might feel we deserve it ;)


Chacal
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on February 28, 2006, 12:43:32 PM
This is going to be very, very, interresting. :D
Title: Level up!
Post by: Chacal on February 28, 2006, 12:44:08 PM
Quote from: EldritchIntriguing idea that, earning features. Now the power gamer in me is curious as to what the level(post count) requirments for each feature are?
I'm curious too, but I think it's a question better left unanswered. I'm trying to be a gamer before a metagamer.

Chacal
Title: Level up!
Post by: fett527 on February 28, 2006, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: KrishnathThis is going to be very, very, interresting. :D
Figured you'd like it dragon!
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on February 28, 2006, 12:46:35 PM
Quote from: fett527Figured you'd like it dragon!
But ofcourse, I am a dragon after all, I like all things that grant me power. :D
Title: Level up!
Post by: Knightcrawler on February 28, 2006, 12:48:51 PM
Ah you earn your way to features.  I can handle that.  And I know the Pooka is watching.  :D
Title: Level up!
Post by: Vermicious Knid on February 28, 2006, 12:50:37 PM
I can't wait for an avatar. :D
Title: Level up!
Post by: JoeBlank on February 28, 2006, 12:51:35 PM
What can I say, I am curious. And I am here.
Title: Level up!
Post by: fett527 on February 28, 2006, 12:52:24 PM
Quote from: Vermicious KnidI can't wait for an avatar. :D
Oh yeah.  Quite curious what you'll select.  Maybe something new?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Insert Username Here on February 28, 2006, 12:53:51 PM
I'm not sure if I can post without my Kate staring at me, but I shall try.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on February 28, 2006, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: fett527Oh yeah.  Quite curious what you'll select.  Maybe something new?
Maybe some RPG art, some systems have quite gory b/w art I've heard.
Title: Level up!
Post by: yangnome on February 28, 2006, 12:54:50 PM
interesting indeed
Title: Level up!
Post by: Vermicious Knid on February 28, 2006, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: fett527Oh yeah.  Quite curious what you'll select.  Maybe something new?


I try to keep things fresh. :)  Do you have any requests? :D
Title: Level up!
Post by: fett527 on February 28, 2006, 01:03:38 PM
Quote from: Vermicious KnidI try to keep things fresh. :)  Do you have any requests? :D
OOOOhhhh.  I'll have to think on that one.  :D
Title: Level up!
Post by: Humanophile on February 28, 2006, 01:08:19 PM
Am I the only one who's wondering what avvy to pick for the best effect when I can get my custom title?  And if there are any prestige poster privileges that can be unlocked if we make just the right choices?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Megamieuwsel on February 28, 2006, 01:25:37 PM
We're thinking along the same lines , my dear Humanophile.
Posting here will be a game in and of itself.
I like it.:D
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on February 28, 2006, 01:30:44 PM
Games within games within games. Interresting.

Hmm, I wonder if there will be a pbp forum eventually.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Insert Username Here on February 28, 2006, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: Vermicious KnidI try to keep things fresh. :)  Do you have any requests? :D
Plastic Surgery gone bad?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Eldritch on February 28, 2006, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Insert Username HerePlastic Surgery gone bad?
Personaly I'd rather not see Michael Jackson every time I read his posts.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Elwood P. Dowd on February 28, 2006, 01:43:44 PM
Well, I'm usually the quiet sort, but maybe I'll have to be a little more talkative to get one of those pretty avatars.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Insert Username Here on February 28, 2006, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: EldritchPersonaly I'd rather not see Michael Jackson every time I read his posts.
ba-da bumm. :)
Title: Level up!
Post by: Knightcrawler on February 28, 2006, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: KrishnathGames within games within games. Interresting.

Hmm, I wonder if there will be a pbp forum eventually.

I'm assuming if there is the posts will not count towards your count.  Otherwise it would be too easy to abuse.
Title: Level up!
Post by: obryn on February 28, 2006, 02:05:31 PM
The real question is...  Where can I post nude pictures of hot women?

That's the only way I'm going to be able to push up my postcount productively. :)

-O
Title: Level up!
Post by: Elwood P. Dowd on February 28, 2006, 02:07:59 PM
Hi obryn,

We always did like your pictures. :)
Title: Level up!
Post by: Elidia on February 28, 2006, 02:08:18 PM
Given the direction this thread is taking, what's the management's opinion of postwhoring?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Janos on February 28, 2006, 02:14:21 PM
Quote from: ElidiaGiven the direction this thread is taking, what's the management's opinion of postwhoring?

Opening post was pretty clear on that:

Quote from: PookaBe cautious of posting for posting's sake cause I got a wand of level drain right here :)
Title: Level up!
Post by: Elidia on February 28, 2006, 02:27:59 PM
Damn, I really need to put points into my reading comprehension, because I read that three times and still missed it. :o
Title: Level up!
Post by: theblackknight13 on February 28, 2006, 02:40:16 PM
The gamer in me loves this new feature!
Title: Level up!
Post by: JoeBlank on February 28, 2006, 02:51:07 PM
I read and understood the take on postwhoring quite clearly, so I am not going to engage in any such activity. Ever.
Title: Level up!
Post by: fett527 on February 28, 2006, 02:53:47 PM
Quote from: JoeBlankI read and understood the take on postwhoring quite clearly, so I am not going to engage in any such activity. Ever.
No?  Not ever?
Title: Level up!
Post by: JoeBlank on February 28, 2006, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: fett527No?  Not ever?

Well, I have in the past, but I am not doing it anymore.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Aelfinn on February 28, 2006, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: JoeBlankWell, I have in the past, but I am not doing it anymore.

funny that.

postwhoring is hard to get around, considering just how easy it is to have a meaningful opinion on many things.
Title: Level up!
Post by: theblackknight13 on February 28, 2006, 03:32:17 PM
Quote from: Aelfinnfunny that.

postwhoring is hard to get around, considering just how easy it is to have a meaningful opinion on many things.
But is that post whoring if you're giving a meaningful response to a post?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Reefer Madness on February 28, 2006, 03:33:10 PM
very interesting idea, is there someplace with the chart so we can see what we need to aim for?
Title: Level up!
Post by: theblackknight13 on February 28, 2006, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: Reefer Madnessvery interesting idea, is there someplace with the chart so we can see what we need to aim for?
Not that I can find, but with a little investigation you can figure out how many you need to get the first level. Hint, already got 2 who reached that semi-lofty goal(and admin's dont' count).
Title: Level up!
Post by: Varaj on February 28, 2006, 03:57:18 PM
I have hit two levels.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Aelfinn on February 28, 2006, 03:58:34 PM
Quote from: theblackknight13But is that post whoring if you're giving a meaningful response to a post?

Is it? the problem comes out when you try to define "meaningful."
Title: Level up!
Post by: PWD on February 28, 2006, 03:59:17 PM
Postwhoring's like pornography.  I may not be able to define it, but I know it when I see it.
Title: Level up!
Post by: fett527 on February 28, 2006, 04:01:57 PM
Quote from: PWDPostwhoring's like pornography.  I may not be able to define it, but I know it when I see it.
Krishnath?  Knightcrawler?:D
Title: Level up!
Post by: Vermicious Knid on February 28, 2006, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: Insert Username HerePlastic Surgery gone bad?

Research is underway. :)
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on February 28, 2006, 04:03:22 PM
Quote from: fett527Krishnath?  Knightcrawler?:D
Sorry, but giving meaningful responses to posts is not postwhoring. :p

It's not my fault that I don't have anything else to do all day than to surf the net. :o
Title: Level up!
Post by: Vermicious Knid on February 28, 2006, 04:04:29 PM
Quote from: EldritchPersonaly I'd rather not see Michael Jackson every time I read his posts.

Why did you have to go and do that? :mad:



*grumble* ...stupid request policy... *grumble*
Title: Level up!
Post by: BillyBeanbag on February 28, 2006, 04:08:12 PM
How can you tell if you level? Not that I think I have or anything...
Title: Level up!
Post by: Varaj on February 28, 2006, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: BillyBeanbagHow can you tell if you level? Not that I think I have or anything...

I looked for new things I could do.  I only found two so I assumed two levels.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Megamieuwsel on February 28, 2006, 04:10:08 PM
Quote from: BillyBeanbagHow can you tell if you level? Not that I think I have or anything...
You can tell by the title-change.
Title: Level up!
Post by: fett527 on February 28, 2006, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: KrishnathSorry, but giving meaningful responses to posts is not postwhoring. :p

It's not my fault that I don't have anything else to do all day than to surf the net. :o
You know I kid!  I flame too, but also kid!
Title: Level up!
Post by: Knightcrawler on February 28, 2006, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: fett527You know I kid!  I flame too, but also kid!

You do a lot tha amounts to not much!  :D
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on February 28, 2006, 04:21:05 PM
Quote from: BillyBeanbagHow can you tell if you level? Not that I think I have or anything...
at 16+ posts your sig shows. And I think at 31+ or so, you can upload an avatar. Or at least, I think it is then.
Title: Level up!
Post by: fett527 on February 28, 2006, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerYou do a lot tha amounts to not much!  :D
It may amount to something...
Title: Level up!
Post by: Vermicious Knid on February 28, 2006, 04:33:07 PM
Quote from: Krishnathat 16+ posts your sig shows. And I think at 31+ or so, you can upload an avatar. Or at least, I think it is then.

How is it that you have barely double the number of posts I do? Are you sick?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on February 28, 2006, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: Vermicious KnidHow is it that you have barely double the number of posts I do? Are you sick?
No. Just busy with other things.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Dr_Avalanche on February 28, 2006, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Vermicious KnidHow is it that you have barely double the number of posts I do? Are you sick?

He's posting at three other boards at the same time. Give him a little slack. :)
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on February 28, 2006, 04:37:25 PM
Quote from: Dr_AvalancheHe's posting at three other boards at the same time. Give him a little slack. :)
One actually, SO.
Title: Level up!
Post by: yangnome on February 28, 2006, 04:40:01 PM
Damn, avatars up already>  i assume size continues to increase with post count?
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Post by: Knightcrawler on February 28, 2006, 04:55:57 PM
Quote from: yangnomeDamn, avatars up already>  i assume size continues to increase with post count?

We'll see but yes I assume the same thing.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Name Lips on February 28, 2006, 05:29:01 PM
Krishnath's post count should be calculated differently than the rest of ours. :p
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on February 28, 2006, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: Name LipsKrishnath's post count should be calculated differently than the rest of ours. :p
Why? I'm not even in the top ten. :confused:
Title: Level up!
Post by: Insert Username Here on February 28, 2006, 05:32:37 PM
Quote from: KrishnathWhy? I'm not even in the top ten. :confused:
Because you're a lazy son-of-a-bitch today.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Name Lips on February 28, 2006, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: KrishnathWhy? I'm not even in the top ten. :confused:
I've seen what you can do when you set your mind to it. It's only a matter of time. :p
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on February 28, 2006, 05:36:12 PM
Quote from: Name LipsI've seen what you can do when you set your mind to it. It's only a matter of time. :p
No, it is only a matter of interresting topics, call me when there is a D20 monster creation subforum. :D
Title: Level up!
Post by: Guest (Deleted) on February 28, 2006, 06:01:13 PM
I think you're correct, up to the same size as the admins - but I could be wrong.

According to a mole pooka I know the posts you need for a level are the same as the d20 experience for that level / 100.  I think he's flat wrong, but that's the rumor he's spreading. A fox says that the computer only calculates the levels at the start of each hour - but I dared him to prove it and he couldn't.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on February 28, 2006, 06:14:12 PM
Quote from: PookaI think you're correct, up to the same size as the admins - but I could be wrong.

According to a mole pooka I know the posts you need for a level are the same as the d20 experience for that level / 100.  I think he's flat wrong, but that's the rumor he's spreading. A fox says that the computer only calculates the levels at the start of each hour - but I dared him to prove it and he couldn't.
Well, as of writing this, I still have no ability to upload an avatar, so that mole pooka is slightly off.

I gained my first level at 16 posts, and I guess my next one will be at 36 posts (or some such).
Title: Level up!
Post by: Dacke on February 28, 2006, 09:03:26 PM
A suggestion: change the default titles to something else. Perhaps use the old level titles from AD&D/BD&D?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Insert Username Here on February 28, 2006, 09:14:36 PM
I'm an idiot. Where do we find what level we are?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Knightcrawler on February 28, 2006, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: DackeA suggestion: change the default titles to something else. Perhaps use the old level titles from AD&D/BD&D?

That would be very cool.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Cyberzombie on February 28, 2006, 10:38:22 PM
Very interesting, indeed.  I was wondering where the avatars were.  :)
Title: Level up!
Post by: Insert Username Here on February 28, 2006, 10:41:00 PM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerThat would be very cool.
And they could go all out. Let each user pick a class in their profile. Then the member titles follow that class progression from the 1ed classes. That would be very cool.
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Post by: Cyberzombie on February 28, 2006, 10:52:45 PM
Quote from: Insert Username HereAnd they could go all out. Let each user pick a class in their profile. Then the member titles follow that class progression from the 1ed classes. That would be very cool.
Hmm.  Could be tedious to program, but it would be cool if it could be done...
Title: Level up!
Post by: obryn on February 28, 2006, 10:54:27 PM
I need some wandering monsters to kill so I can get more XP...

-O
Title: Level up!
Post by: Cyberzombie on February 28, 2006, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: obrynI need some wandering monsters to kill so I can get more XP...

-O
Don't say that!  The only wandering monster you'll summon will be P&P!  :eek:
Title: Level up!
Post by: cranberry on February 28, 2006, 11:29:04 PM
I didn't notice this thread at first, but I think it is a cool idea.
Title: Level up!
Post by: obryn on February 28, 2006, 11:32:05 PM
Quote from: CyberzombieDon't say that!  The only wandering monster you'll summon will be P&P!  :eek:
Shit, I'm waaay too low-level to face a troll. :(

-O
Title: Level up!
Post by: Knightcrawler on February 28, 2006, 11:34:59 PM
Quote from: obrynShit, I'm waaay too low-level to face a troll. :(

-O

Prepare To Be Clobbered!!
Title: Level up!
Post by: Insert Username Here on February 28, 2006, 11:36:28 PM
Quote from: CyberzombieHmm.  Could be tedious to program, but it would be cool if it could be done...
Actually, I've that exact mod, which is why I mention it. The mod was for an Invision Power Board system, but it's similar enough to vB.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Cyberzombie on February 28, 2006, 11:43:47 PM
Quote from: Insert Username HereActually, I've that exact mod, which is why I mention it. The mod was for an Invision Power Board system, but it's similar enough to vB.
Interestinger and interestinger...
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Post by: Insert Username Here on March 01, 2006, 12:11:43 AM
Quote from: CyberzombieInterestinger and interestinger...
I just realized my typo. I meant to say "I've seen that exact mod." Kind of implied I had it. But since it's IPB, that's irrelevant, anyway. But yeah, it could be done, and it would be quite...neat.
Title: Level up!
Post by: BOZ on March 01, 2006, 12:18:46 AM
i think the admins should pick avatars and custom titles, like way back in the way back.  ;)
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Post by: BOZ on March 01, 2006, 12:20:23 AM
Quote from: KrishnathNo, it is only a matter of interresting topics, call me when there is a D20 monster creation subforum. :D

*briiing briiing, calling krisnath*  :p
Title: Level up!
Post by: BOZ on March 01, 2006, 12:22:08 AM
Quote from: CyberzombieDon't say that!  The only wandering monster you'll summon will be P&P!  :eek:

ssshhh, don't say the beast's name, you'll summon him!  he seems quite content Testing his Nuts at the moment!
Title: Level up!
Post by: Cyberzombie on March 01, 2006, 12:45:49 AM
Quote from: BOZssshhh, don't say the beast's name, you'll summon him!  he seems quite content Testing his Nuts at the moment!
That's a good place for him.  He can stay there.  :)
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Post by: Chacal on March 01, 2006, 04:43:14 AM
Titles funnier than member could be cool.  D&D names are a good idea. The more names the better !


Chacal
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Post by: Krishnath on March 01, 2006, 07:02:01 AM
Quote from: BOZ*briiing briiing, calling krisnath*  :p
Where!?!?

I'm not going back to Enworld, it stopped being funny when I was besieged by whiners. Don't even get me stated on the whole Nexus debacable. I toll him to stop pestering me at least a dozen times, and it took no more than a month for him to start again. :rolleyes:
Title: Level up!
Post by: Guest (Deleted) on March 01, 2006, 07:08:42 AM
I think this can be done on vbulletin without any additional code but instead using the custom user profile fields and some very clever application of the vbulletin phrase system.  But I don't have the 1st edition PHB, so I wil need someone to post the title lists for the various classes and make one up for the sorcerer class.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Cyberzombie on March 01, 2006, 10:24:01 AM
Hmm.  Well, I don't know when I'll next be at the computer with my 1e PHB in hand.  Assuming no one else gets to this, though, I will type 'em out for you.  :)
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Post by: cranberry on March 01, 2006, 10:27:02 AM
Wasn't there a fighter one called "myrmydian" or something?  Or maybe that was 2e.  Either way, they made me laugh.

*wanders off down memory lane*
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Post by: fett527 on March 01, 2006, 11:05:24 AM
Quote from: cranberryWasn't there a fighter one called "myrmydian" or something?  Or maybe that was 2e.  Either way, they made me laugh.

*wanders off down memory lane*
There was a popular kit in the 2e Fighter's handbook called Myrmidon.  It gave weapon specialization for free.

what?
Title: Level up!
Post by: BillyBeanbag on March 01, 2006, 11:15:52 AM
I don’t know if these are accurate, I found them online:

Bard:

Rhymer
Lyrist
Sonnateer
Skald
Racaraide
Joungleur
Troubadour
Minstrel
Muse
Lorist
Bard
Master Bard

Cavalier:

Horseman
Lancer
Armiger
Scutifer
Esquire
Knight Errant
Knight Bachelor
Knight
Grand Knight
Banneret
Chevalier
Cavalier

Cleric:

Novitiate
Acolyte
Adept
Priest/Priestess
Curate
Perfect
Canon
Lama
Patriarch/Matriarch
High Priest/High Priestess

Druid:
Seeker
Aspirant
Ovate
Initiate of the First Circle
Initiate of the Second Circle
Initiate of the Third Circle
Initiate of the Fourth Circle
Initiate of the Fifth Circle
Initiate of the Sixth Circle
Initiate of the Seventh Circle
Initiate of the Eighth Circle
Initiate of the Ninth Circle
Druid
Archdruid
The Great Druid
The Grand Druid

Fighter:

Armorbearer
Veteran
Warrior
Swordsman
Hero
Swashbuckler
Myrmidon
Champion
Superhero
Lord

Illusionist:

Prestidigitator
Minor Trickster
Trickster
Master Trickster
Cabalist
Visionist
Phantasmist
Apparitionist
Spellbinder
Illusionist

Magic User:

Prestidigitator
Evoker
Conjurer
Theurgist
Thaumaturgist
Magician
Enchanter
Warlock
Sorcerer
Necromancer
Wizard

Monk:

Novice
Initiate
Brother
Disciple
Immaculate
Master
Superior Master
Master of Dragons
Master of the North Wind
Master of the West Wind
Master of the South Wind
Master of the East Wind
Master of Winter
Master of Autumn
Master of Summer
Master of Spring
Grand Master of Flowers

Paladin:

Horseman
Lancer
Gallant
Keeper
Protector
Defender
Warder
Guardian
Chevalier
Justiciar
Paladin

Ranger:

Runner
Strider
Scout
Courser
Tracker
Guide
Pathfinder
Ranger
Ranger Knight
Ranger Lord

Thief:

Rogue (Apprentice)
Footpad
Cutpurse
Robber
Burglar
Filcher
Sharper
Magsman
Thief
Master Thief

Thief-Acrobat:

Burglar-Acrobat
Second-Story Thief
Cat Burglar
Master Cat Burglar
Thief-Acrobat
Master Thief-Acrobat
Title: Level up!
Post by: Insert Username Here on March 01, 2006, 11:20:27 AM
That list of Billy's looks pretty good.

I wouldn't both with Sorceror. Just stick with the old 1ed classes. But yeah, I'm easy. I just think this will be cool.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Dr_Avalanche on March 01, 2006, 11:30:37 AM
Hm... Is images in signatures something that can be unlocked as well?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Cyberzombie on March 01, 2006, 11:49:53 AM
Billy's list is correct, as least as far as I can remember.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on March 01, 2006, 11:54:44 AM
I would exchange Superhero to something more D&Dish, like Knight or Grand Champion.
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Post by: Chacal on March 01, 2006, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: KrishnathI would exchange Superhero to something more D&Dish, like Knight or Grand Champion.
I didn't remember that one.

Chacal
Title: Level up!
Post by: Limper on March 01, 2006, 11:59:52 AM
Wasn't level 7 for the Samurai class in OA Ninja?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on March 01, 2006, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: ChacalI didn't remember that one.

Chacal

-

Quote from: BillyBeanBagFighter:

Armorbearer
Veteran
Warrior
Swordsman
Hero
Swashbuckler
Myrmidon
Champion
Superhero
Lord

Doesn't really fit in, now does it? :D
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Post by: BillyBeanbag on March 01, 2006, 12:09:16 PM
Heh, I liked it at the time. I like it now. Hell most action heroes in movies are super. :) Just my opinion, but whatever's clever.
Title: Level up!
Post by: cranberry on March 01, 2006, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: fett527There was a popular kit in the 2e Fighter's handbook called Myrmidon.  It gave weapon specialization for free.

what?

OMG GEEK!!!
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Post by: Elidia on March 01, 2006, 01:01:36 PM
Heh - it would be fun if we could pick which path we leveled in. Berry could SMASH as a barbarian (at least that's what would amuse me most), and I'd be a rogue or sorcerer.
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Post by: Insert Username Here on March 01, 2006, 01:22:10 PM
Quote from: ElidiaHeh - it would be fun if we could pick which path we leveled in. Berry could SMASH as a barbarian (at least that's what would amuse me most), and I'd be a rogue or sorcerer.
Yeah, I think that's the plan. Or at least I assume so.

I wanna be a Druid.
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Post by: Knightcrawler on March 01, 2006, 01:29:31 PM
The title thing is definitely a good idea.  As long as its not to much work for the admins and doesn't fuck anything else up.
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Post by: Insert Username Here on March 01, 2006, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerThe title thing is definitely a good idea.  As long as its not to much work for the admins and doesn't fuck anything else up.
Depends on how good the admins are. :)

Really, though, it's a fairly benign mod.
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Post by: el-remmen on March 01, 2006, 02:08:24 PM
Personally, I feel that people's who's sigs are longer than most of their posts should have their ability to have a sig NULLIFIED.

Or at the very least, a mod where people's sigs only show up once per page. :)
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Post by: Krishnath on March 01, 2006, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: the ultimate nullifierPersonally, I feel that people's who's sigs are longer than most of their posts should have their ability to have a sig NULLIFIED.

Or at the very least, a mod where people's sigs only show up once per page. :)
Bite me, jackass. :p
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Post by: Acinonyx on March 01, 2006, 03:17:05 PM
Quote from: KrishnathWe have been hurt.
We are bleeding.
We will survive.
We will evolve.
We will become stronger.
We will become more than the sum of our parts.
We are The Damnation army.
We are Legion.
I choose you charizard!
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on March 01, 2006, 03:21:45 PM
Quote from: AcinonyxI choose you charizard!
*lol* That was not the intention, but funny nevertheless.
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Post by: BOZ on March 01, 2006, 03:22:29 PM
Quote from: CyberzombieThat's a good place for him.  He can stay there.  :)

you knew that wasn't going to last forever, right?  ;)
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Post by: BOZ on March 01, 2006, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: KrishnathWhere!?!?

I'm not going back to Enworld, it stopped being funny when I was besieged by whiners. Don't even get me stated on the whole Nexus debacable. I toll him to stop pestering me at least a dozen times, and it took no more than a month for him to start again. :rolleyes:

i was just talking about my forums, you ninny.  :p you know, your old stomping grounds?  nice, quiet place with very little drama?  where people ask about you and wonder if you will come back and give them some nice scary dragons?  you know, that little corner of enworld?  :)
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Post by: Krishnath on March 01, 2006, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: BOZi was just talking about my forums, you ninny.  :p you know, your old stomping grounds?  nice, quiet place with very little drama?  where people ask about you and wonder if you will come back and give them some nice scary dragons?  you know, that little corner of enworld?  :)
I know, but after being asked to write up the stats for some cunts draconic masturbation fantasy Nexus for the twelft time, I just said fuck it and left. One can only take so much stupidity before leaving.
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Post by: Acinonyx on March 01, 2006, 03:29:35 PM
Quote from: Krishnath*lol* That was not the intention, but funny nevertheless.
It was either that or;

We will survive
as long as we know how to love
We know we'll stay alive
We've got all our life to live
We've got all our love to give
and we'll survive
We will survive
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Post by: el-remmen on March 01, 2006, 03:34:44 PM
Quote from: KrishnathBite me, jackass. :p

You see? Without my having to name names, the prime offender knows his crime.  

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case. . .
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Post by: Reefer Madness on March 01, 2006, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: AcinonyxWe will survive


At first I was afraid, I was petrified, Kept thinking I could never live without you by my side...
Title: Level up!
Post by: BOZ on March 01, 2006, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: KrishnathI know, but after being asked to write up the stats for some cunts draconic masturbation fantasy Nexus for the twelft time, I just said fuck it and left. One can only take so much stupidity before leaving.

did you try "hell no, now fuck off and die!"

*shrug*  oh well, no one can say i didn't try.  :)


BTW, who was this who offended you so, that i may slay them?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Guest (Deleted) on March 01, 2006, 08:52:23 PM
Why are all of you wearing badges saying "Keywalker" "Postmaker" and "Newbie"? I wonder if you can change that if you visit your profile??
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Post by: Krishnath on March 02, 2006, 05:28:45 AM
Quote from: BOZdid you try "hell no, now fuck off and die!"

I did repeatedly, but the word fuck kept getting filtered into smilies.

Quote from: BOZ*shrug*  oh well, no one can say i didn't try.  :)


BTW, who was this who offended you so, that i may slay them?
Can't even remember the fuckers name anymore, I rarely bother to memorize the names of people I don't give a shit about, even when they annoy me.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on March 02, 2006, 05:29:26 AM
Quote from: PookaWhy are all of you wearing badges saying "Keywalker" "Postmaker" and "Newbie"? I wonder if you can change that if you visit your profile??
I tried, but I am still a Keywalker. Might take a while to change though. :D
Title: Level up!
Post by: Chacal on March 02, 2006, 05:53:37 AM
Tried it too

Chacal
Title: Level up!
Post by: Hreidmar on March 02, 2006, 06:48:36 AM
Troll see's little ones ranks.  Little ones will only see their own ranks as Internet User ranks.  Small break.  Dragon's rank is Prestidigitator.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Knightcrawler on March 02, 2006, 07:00:22 AM
Same here I'm only seeing the default ranks of everyone.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on March 02, 2006, 07:04:42 AM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerSame here I'm only seeing the default ranks of everyone.
Ditto.

I wonder why it's like that?
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Post by: Chacal on March 02, 2006, 07:06:01 AM
Quote from: KrishnathDitto.

I wonder why it's like that?
It's because you're little ones :p


Chacal
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Post by: Knightcrawler on March 02, 2006, 07:06:38 AM
Quote from: KrishnathDitto.

I wonder why it's like that?

No idea in the least.  It seemed to be working for a bit last night.

Oh Happy Birthday by the way.  :D
Title: Level up!
Post by: Krishnath on March 02, 2006, 08:13:37 AM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerNo idea in the least.  It seemed to be working for a bit last night.

Oh Happy Birthday by the way.  :D
Thank you.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Acinonyx on March 02, 2006, 08:32:40 AM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerSame here I'm only seeing the default ranks of everyone.
Pehaps you just need to work a little harder at overcoming your banality?

[Edit] Odd. My title is alternating between Newbie and Brute. :confused:

When I edit my post, it changes. The Autumn People are hard at work it seems. :(
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Post by: Varaj on March 02, 2006, 09:12:23 AM
Banality is good.  Glamor is for fairies.
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Post by: Limper on March 02, 2006, 09:13:22 AM
Nice feature.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Acinonyx on March 02, 2006, 10:24:50 AM
Quote from: VarajBanality is good.  Glamor is for fairies.
What definition of 'fairy' are you using?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Cyberzombie on March 02, 2006, 10:35:14 AM
w00t!  I is now a wizzard.  Wonder what my rank is...

Apprentice, eh?  Well, I can live with that for now.  This is only my third or fourth day here, after all.  :)
Title: Level up!
Post by: Dacke on March 02, 2006, 11:10:25 AM
Speaking of old-school level titles, am I the only one who thinks it's odd that a first-level fighter is a "Veteran" (at least in Basic and Hackmaster, not sure about 1e)?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Insert Username Here on March 02, 2006, 11:29:34 AM
Nice feature! That sure was a good idea...
Title: Level up!
Post by: Ottomsoh the Elderly on March 02, 2006, 11:34:01 AM
The possibilities are interesting.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Insert Username Here on March 02, 2006, 11:50:19 AM
Quote from: Ottomsoh the ElderlyThe possibilities are interesting.
The next step in to have a little icon for the chosen class appear just below the avatars (or lack of avatars)...
Title: Level up!
Post by: Hreidmar on March 02, 2006, 11:54:03 AM
Quote from: Insert Username HereThe next step in to have a little icon for the chosen class appear just below the avatars (or lack of avatars)...

Troll know of other "gifts" little ones get as they gain experience.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Knightcrawler on March 02, 2006, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: Insert Username HereThe next step in to have a little icon for the chosen class appear just below the avatars (or lack of avatars)...

Now your getting greedy.  As you gain experience you gain ability to have avatar (assuming this will go up in size), a signature, the ability to send and receive PM's, the ability to give rep, and probably other stuff.  But thats all I have right now.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Megamieuwsel on March 02, 2006, 12:43:53 PM
Gotta agree with KC there.
I still got a long way to go for some of the most primal goodies , it seems.
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Post by: Krishnath on March 02, 2006, 12:55:48 PM
Weeeeeeeeee!!!!!! I am an initiate! Woot! :D
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Post by: Knightcrawler on March 02, 2006, 01:07:45 PM
Quote from: KrishnathWeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! I am an initiate! Woot! :D

Lightweight!
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Post by: Krishnath on March 02, 2006, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerLightweight!
Postwhore. :p ;)
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Post by: Acinonyx on March 02, 2006, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: KrishnathPostwhore. :p ;)
Enough! Enough! There's enough suckage for both of you whores.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Hreidmar on March 02, 2006, 01:24:52 PM
Troll not like postwhores.  :mad:
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Post by: Krishnath on March 02, 2006, 02:45:19 PM
Quote from: TrollTroll not like postwhores.  :mad:
Fully understandable, which is why I choose not to engage in such childish behaviour here. :)

Edit: Ooh, I now have the ability to send and recieve PM's.
Title: Level up!
Post by: BOZ on March 02, 2006, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerOh Happy Birthday by the way.  :D

seconded!  :)
Title: Level up!
Post by: Guest (Deleted) on March 02, 2006, 06:58:29 PM
Quote from: KrishnathPostwhore. :p ;)
He's not 12 level yet.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Reefer Madness on March 02, 2006, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: PookaHe's not 12 level yet.

yet....give some time, the mourning period is still on for some people...
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Post by: fett527 on March 02, 2006, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: PookaHe's not 12 level yet.
But has he reached 8th level yet?
Title: Level up!
Post by: willpax on March 02, 2006, 09:15:42 PM
At the rate I post, I'll probably be a Noobie my first several years around here.
Title: Level up!
Post by: kryyst on March 03, 2006, 08:33:44 AM
Quote from: willpaxAt the rate I post, I'll probably be a Noobie my first several years around here.

You just need to find something to inspire yourself about.  For exmaple like how Knightcrawler is a postwhore.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Ottomsoh the Elderly on March 03, 2006, 09:45:19 AM
The problem is, with my RP identity, it'll be hard to postwhore.
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Post by: BillyBeanbag on March 03, 2006, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: Ottomsoh the ElderlyThe problem is, with my RP identity, it'll be hard to postwhore.
So, you're not yourself then?
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Post by: Ottomsoh the Elderly on March 03, 2006, 10:34:32 AM
Not exactly (but you in particular, you should know who is the DM behind this NPC). Since this is a RPG board, I decided to try an RP identity. That's why my posts are in italics most of the time, BTW. That's IC talk. There I'm completely OOC.

Now if I need to present myself formally, I am the founder and leader of my world's largest spy network. I'm a seer, and thus able to see what people try to hide. I swore allegiance to no-one but me, and turned espionnage into a business. My mercenary spies are infiltrated everywhere, and secret reports arrive everyday to my archive rooms. There, they are sorted, catalogued, and synthetised in order to keep up-to-date files on every governments, organisations, and powerful individuals. Then customers come and ask me for informations on a foe, or on a prospective partner, or on a competitor, and I sell them what I estimate they need to know.

Having a sixth sense comes in handy to protect my precious trove of knowledge, even if the most potent secrets are only stored in my mind.
Title: Level up!
Post by: BOZ on March 03, 2006, 11:46:22 AM
Quote from: willpaxAt the rate I post, I'll probably be a Noobie my first several years around here.

eh, just make a couple dozen nonsense posts, earn your avatar, and then take a break.  ;)
Title: Level up!
Post by: Ottomsoh the Elderly on March 03, 2006, 11:58:35 AM
I still ignore what we're supposed to earn once we've joined the Second Circle, but it seems avatars are won once we reach the Third. Alright. I have thus 18 more speechs to do.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Knightcrawler on March 03, 2006, 12:02:36 PM
Quote from: BOZeh, just make a couple dozen nonsense posts, earn your avatar, and then take a break.  ;)

Or find threads that you actually want to post in.  I'm 6th or 7th level by the way, not sure which.
Title: Level up!
Post by: willpax on March 03, 2006, 01:21:09 PM
So this is one of those Monty Haul campaigns.:D
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Post by: Ottomsoh the Elderly on March 03, 2006, 01:49:40 PM
Yes, it seems so.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Cat of Ulthar on March 03, 2006, 08:49:39 PM
very cool feature, thanks admins!!!:D
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Post by: SmokestackJones on March 04, 2006, 08:02:23 AM
Post to earn regular stuff, huh?

Ah, it sucks to be me.

-SJ
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Post by: Megamieuwsel on March 04, 2006, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: SmokestackJonesPost to earn regular stuff, huh?

Ah, it sucks to be me.

-SJ

Just post some more and bribe the admins with an extra shot of Sampo.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Ottomsoh the Elderly on March 04, 2006, 10:46:44 AM
Do you think we could petition these mysterious admins for the class of psionicist to be acknowledged?
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Post by: Guest (Deleted) on March 04, 2006, 11:33:56 AM
You do the work of coming up with a name for each and every level of psionicist and I'll input it I like what I see. That goes for any class folks - not just psions.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Ottomsoh the Elderly on March 04, 2006, 04:30:56 PM
Let see... What about this? I do not know up to each level one is supposed to go.

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Post by: Cyberzombie on March 04, 2006, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: Ottomsoh the Elderly1st -> 'Needs aspirin badly'

I really need one of the laughing smileys right now.  That's fuckin' brilliant!  :D
Title: Level up!
Post by: Knightcrawler on March 04, 2006, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: CyberzombieI really need one of the laughing smileys right now.  That's fuckin' brilliant!  :D

It is nice.  Nearly spit my drink all over my keyboard.
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Post by: Guest (Deleted) on March 04, 2006, 04:45:05 PM
I'll add this later this evening.
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Post by: Janos on March 04, 2006, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: Ottomsoh the ElderlyLet see... What about this? I do not know up to each level one is supposed to go.

Very well done list!
Title: Level up!
Post by: Guest (Deleted) on March 07, 2006, 03:56:25 PM
I've decided I'm never going to add this. Others are not welcome so long as they are unique and fun.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Ottomsoh the Elderly on March 07, 2006, 04:55:10 PM
Thank you, this was much appreciated.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Aelfinn on March 07, 2006, 08:43:34 PM
ok, here's one for Paladin, up through level six:

Paladin

Did a good deed once
Page
Chivalrous
Crusader
Knight
Holy Avenger
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Post by: Aelfinn on March 07, 2006, 08:45:35 PM
Monk

Can sit quietly
Novice
Brawler
Martial Artist
Enlightened
Grand Master
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Post by: Knightcrawler on March 07, 2006, 08:49:36 PM
Quote from: AelfinnMonk

Can sit quietly
Novice
Brawler
Martial Artist
Enlightened
Grand Master

For Monk just use the original titles from 1st or 2nd edition.
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Post by: Aelfinn on March 07, 2006, 08:52:52 PM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerFor Monk just use the original titles from 1st or 2nd edition.

hmm.. I'm on campus at the moment, don't have access to those particular books.

wanna fill me in?
Title: Level up!
Post by: Knightcrawler on March 07, 2006, 08:58:16 PM
For Monk

Quote1. Novice (Apprentice)
2. Initiate
3. Brother
4. Disciple
5. Immaculate
6. Master
7. Superior Master
8. Master of Dragons
9. M.of North Wind
10. Master of W. Wind
11. Master of S. Wind
12. Master of E. Wind
13. Master of Winter
14. Master of Autumn
15. Master of Summer
16. Master of Spring
17. Grand Master of Flowers
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Post by: Aelfinn on March 07, 2006, 08:59:45 PM
hmm. how many level different titles are there? I was going for titles which a) hadn't been used by another class, and b) were six in number, since it's implied that is how many titles there are...
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Post by: Knightcrawler on March 07, 2006, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: Aelfinnhmm. how many level different titles are there? I was going for titles which a) hadn't been used by another class, and b) were six in number, since it's implied that is how many titles there are...

There's more.  I'm 7th or 8th level now myself.  Hints I received say it goes up to at least 12th.  :D

Notice bigger avatar.
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Post by: Ottomsoh the Elderly on March 07, 2006, 09:07:52 PM
I think there's more than 6, it's just that only the first are shown... Same reason my intervention, number 166 in this here discussion, has been removed from the records. I went up to level 21, from 1st-level to epic, but I don't know the exact number of levels used for the previous classes.
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Post by: Aelfinn on March 07, 2006, 09:08:51 PM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerThere's more.  I'm 7th or 8th level now myself.  Hints I received say it goes up to at least 12th.  :D

Notice bigger avatar.

oh i've noticed. has your title changed at each level?
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Post by: Knightcrawler on March 07, 2006, 09:15:31 PM
Assassin

Quote
  • Bravo
  • Rutterkin
  • Waghalter
  • Murderer
  • Thug
  • Killer
  • Cutthroat
  • Executioner
  • Assassin
  • Expert Assassin
  • Sebior Assassin
  • Chief Assassin
  • Prime Assassin
  • Guildmaster of Assassins
  • Grandfather of Assassins
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Post by: Aelfinn on March 07, 2006, 09:21:48 PM
ooh ooh do rangers next :p
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Post by: Knightcrawler on March 07, 2006, 09:24:40 PM
Ranger

Quote
  • Runner
  • Strider
  • Scout
  • Courser
  • Tracker
  • Guide
  • Pathfinder
  • Ranger
  • Ranger Knight
  • Ranger Lord

With Rangers they only go up to 10th.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Knightcrawler on March 07, 2006, 09:25:25 PM
The only ones that go past 10th are Druid, Assassin and Monk.
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Post by: Aelfinn on March 07, 2006, 09:27:22 PM
well, you can add

Trapper
Hunter
Woodsman

into them at lower levels, if you want to flesh out ranger a bit more.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Guest (Deleted) on March 07, 2006, 09:48:51 PM
The wolf told me that there are 20 levels and all lists should have 20 titles. The songbird wanted to add that she's the only one around here allowed to drone endlessly, so lists should have a fairly unique title at each level (i.e., no Master of, Master of, Master of...)

And the snake under the hill said that some lists may need to be declined because the title is in a current list - Assassin is a level of the rogue class already.
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Post by: Aelfinn on March 07, 2006, 09:51:26 PM
well shit. you've already snagged "squire" for the warriors - kinda sad, because it's so perfect for the paladins...

ok, i'll see what I can come up with. would the pooka consider snipping what's already been toyed with, that way there's no undue hints for the masses? :)
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Post by: Guest (Deleted) on March 07, 2006, 09:57:33 PM
The advice Roger Rabbit gives is to come up with 25 or so titles so that duplicates can be discarded.
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Post by: Knightcrawler on March 07, 2006, 09:59:00 PM
Quote from: PookaThe wolf told me that there are 20 levels and all lists should have 20 titles. The songbird wanted to add that she's the only one around here allowed to drone endlessly, so lists should have a fairly unique title at each level (i.e., no Master of, Master of, Master of...)

And the snake under the hill said that some lists may need to be declined because the title is in a current list - Assassin is a level of the rogue class already.

Thats going to make things a lot harder for people to make lists if each title needs to be fairly unique.  Plus lack of hints.  Of course I'm relatively happy with the current ones so no problems here.
Title: Level up!
Post by: Aelfinn on March 07, 2006, 10:04:03 PM
Quote from: PookaThe advice Roger Rabbit gives is to come up with 25 or so titles so that duplicates can be discarded.

hmm... ok... making it really hard are we? gotcha. working on paladin mostly for the moment.
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Post by: Knightcrawler on March 07, 2006, 10:10:49 PM
Quote from: Aelfinnhmm... ok... making it really hard are we? gotcha. working on paladin mostly for the moment.

See earlier in the thread Billy posted all the titles to the classes, 3rd page if your using 40 posts per page.  I just went back and look back and found it.
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Post by: BillyBeanbag on March 07, 2006, 10:19:36 PM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerSee earlier in the thread Billy posted all the titles to the classes, 3rd page if your using 40 posts per page.  I just went back and look back and found it.
http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=1063&postcount=94 :D
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Post by: Aelfinn on March 07, 2006, 10:20:12 PM
Paladin
[sblock]
Did a good deed once
Horseholder
Page
Squire
Horseman
Lancer
Hedge Knight
Knight-Errant
Crusader
Champion
Knight
Protector
Avenger
Guardian
Defender
Justicar
Paragon
Holy Knight
Holy Protector
Holy Avenger
Holy Guardian
Holy Defender
Sainted Knight [/sblock]

had to slip the EQ jokes in there... just had to...
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Post by: Aelfinn on March 07, 2006, 10:21:11 PM
ok, on to ranger soon... this could take a bit longer...
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Post by: Knightcrawler on March 07, 2006, 10:23:25 PM
I think 20th level in Paladin could be "Fist of God" or "Hand of God" perhaps.
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Post by: Krishnath on March 08, 2006, 03:16:31 AM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerI think 20th level in Paladin could be "Fist of God" or "Hand of God" perhaps.
Exchange "God" with "Heaven" and it might work. Not all of us have one god you know. :D
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Post by: Knightcrawler on March 08, 2006, 03:35:29 AM
Quote from: KrishnathExchange "God" with "Heaven" and it might work. Not all of us have one god you know. :D

Yes, that is much better.