Quote from: RPGPundit;664130Whether you're going by "bodycount" or "oppression", theRPGsite is not on a torquemada-to-Stalin scale with RPGnet; we are, if anything, on a Mr.Rogers-to-Stalin scale. The comparisons are patently absurd.

It is absurd. But as I said, I don't think "not as bad as", as compared to "better than", is a position to aspire to, and that's what is the point of my reductio ad absurdum.

QuoteAnd what, oh armchair-admin, would you recommend when someone is continually putting up "sandcastles" that are specifically meant to be effrontery to the administration for years, culminating to the point that he builds said sandcastle with a big and literal statement of "Fuck you, I know this is against the rules and I've been repeatedly told so, I'm completely aware of this but I'm doing it anyways to defy you"?
Because that's what GW was doing lately. LITERALLY. In his last TBZ thread he LITERALLY said "I know this doesn't belong here but I'm putting it here anyways because fuck you".

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Sure. You ignore them and move on, moving the thread. We're not idiots here, who need to have it pointed out who's disrupting the site and who's having a childish vendetta and who does not. The ones to which this grudge is supposed to appeal to, will only feel vindicated in their claims, if you ban someone like that.

I understand an occasional banning when someone truly disrupts the site in a very hard manner. I don't find 3 - 4 threads a week, put in wrong places, exactly going around and shitting in threads.

Quote from: RPGPundit;664131Our policy is to move threads. Quit trying to pretend it isn't. It takes a monumental level of active effort to get yourself banned here.

I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying that rather than try to ban those whose whole disruption is posting threads purposefully in wrong places, move the threads - unless the disruption is to some truly gritting levels.

Quote from: Rincewind1;664188It is absurd. But as I said, I don't think "not as bad as", as compared to "better than", is a position to aspire to, and that's what is the point of my reductio ad absurdum.

theRPGsite's moderation policy is LIGHT YEARS better than rpg.net's when it comes to free speech, in the views of anyone at all who doesn't have a massive bias or motivation to lie about it.

QuoteSure. You ignore them and move on, moving the thread. We're not idiots here, who need to have it pointed out who's disrupting the site and who's having a childish vendetta and who does not. The ones to which this grudge is supposed to appeal to, will only feel vindicated in their claims, if you ban someone like that.

I understand an occasional banning when someone truly disrupts the site in a very hard manner. I don't find 3 - 4 threads a week, put in wrong places, exactly going around and shitting in threads.

Sorry, no.  Just how many would-be "rebels" should the mods be expected to go around picking-up-turds for each day? 4? 15? 200? Your answer is to just let every Swine, Pundit-hater, goon, and anyone else who has reason to want to shit on theRPGSite post as many off-topic threads per day as they like, forever, and that the mods should just make it their full time job to move threads to their proper place.
Posting off-topic material with full intent and forethought and doing so repeatedly in order to create discord and drown out the correct on-topic threads for a given subforum is the very definition of SITE DISRUPTION; its literally being done for the express purpose of disrupting the running of the site in order to make theRPGsite a less functional place. There is NO reason why someone doing this with intent and repeatedly and for that explicit goal shouldn't be banned.

QuoteI'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying that rather than try to ban those whose whole disruption is posting threads purposefully in wrong places, move the threads - unless the disruption is to some truly gritting levels.

When someone has gotten to the point that they start repeatedly posting off-topic threads with explicitly stated fuck-yous to the moderation, it HAS gotten to a "gritting level". There's no point in allowing to escalate it further, the person who is doing this has expressed an explicit desire to disrupt the site and he has to be terminated as a user.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;664130Because that's what GW was doing lately. LITERALLY. In his last TBZ thread he LITERALLY said "I know this doesn't belong here but I'm putting it here anyways because fuck you".

No, he said that your arbitrary categories were bullshit and it's an RPG by all rights. Which is pretty obvious to everyone that isn't you or Benoist.

Quote from: vytzka;664448No, he said that your arbitrary categories were bullshit and it's an RPG by all rights. Which is pretty obvious to everyone that isn't you or Benoist.

Then again, some progress has been in the last few months on this front. Previously, there was failed attempts to actually argue the point of distinction. Now, Pundit admits that the reason he considers DW a story game isn't based on an actual reading or game experience of the RPG; just his opinions of the writers.

Given the translator of TBZ is the founder of what Pundit has established as his greatest rival, Storygames, it is little surprise that he wants to see the RPG hidden away somewhere. Which is a shame as its is entirely contrary to the foundation of this site being based on open discussion, without poor moderation.

So, yeah, its arbitrary as always. But at least it's honest and becoming even more obvious every day.

If it was honest, the forums would be called "games Pundit likes" and "games Pundit doesn't like" and then I (and probably GW) would happily post in whichever was the more applicable.

Pundit's wharrgarrbling about Ideological Purity in Elf Pretending Games is the price we have to pay to use this forum.

It's getting steeper, too, as his idiotic ramblings become more strident.

One day I might decide it's no longer worth it. Or he might decide I'm "disrupting the site", which is sometimes shorthand for disagreeing with him too often (and the real reason GW and Pseudoephedrine got banned), and banhammer my ass. Let's see which comes first.

Quote from: vytzka;664448No, he said that your arbitrary categories were bullshit and it's an RPG by all rights. Which is pretty obvious to everyone that isn't you or Benoist.

Alas.

Quote from: The Butcher;664465Or he might decide I'm "disrupting the site", which is sometimes shorthand for disagreeing with him too often (and the real reason GW and Pseudoephedrine got banned), and banhammer my ass.

On the nose.

Actually no, that's completely not accurate. You can disagree with Pundit, just like you are doing right here, very vociferously, I might add, something that would never be allowed to pass on RPGnet in your wildest dreams.

Try to call Kai Tave a cunt and say openly that the rules of RPGnet are shit and they can go fuck themselves and see how that works for you. How many here have been banned from RPGnet for telling a mod to go fuck himself? Quite a few, I'd wager. Now just try to post in the wrong forum on RPGnet just as a "fuck you" to the rules. Just try it. I'll wait here until you inevitably get banned after doing it once or twice.

No. That has FUCK ALL to do with just "disagreeing". It has to do with taking this disagreement and making it a spite-war going on for YEARS on the forum, until it becomes yes, a disruption of the site. It has to do with taking that disagreement and going the step further to take the VERY FEW rules of this site and BREAK THEM to make a political statement.

Identity politics? This is the province of the motherfuckers who are doing just that, not able to disagree without going the whole nine yards into breaking the rules just to be an asshole, just to make a statement, a fuck you to Pundit and the whole site.

The reason these people get banned is NOT because they are disagreeing. It's because they broke the rules time and time again and have demonstrated they don't give a shit about them. That's what it's about.

Disagree all you want. Call Pundit a cunt. Rub his nose in the shit whenever you feel he's speaking out of his sphincter. But take your disagreement into the territory of breaking the rules repeatedly, and ultimately, after you've done it time and time again, after you've been warned over and over to stop doing it, you're going to get banned, yes.

That is LIGHT YEARS away from RPGnet's moderation.

You're all banned.

The real reason pseudoephedrine got banned: he bandied about the real name of the RPG Pundit, when the RPG Pundit manifested his desire to keep his real name private.

(something that goes for anyone who would express the same wish, provided the demand wasn't hypocritical in the first place, like having your real name in your sig, or linking to your games where you obviously use your real name and things like that, and then pretending you want your real identity to be kept private).

The real reason GW got banned: he systematically, repeatedly posted in the wrong places or posted off-topic shit as a "fuck you", he didn't give a shit about doing so, he got asked to stop multiple times, and didn't.

Quote from: Benoist;664533The real reason pseudoephedrine got banned: he bandied about the real name of the RPG Pundit, when the RPG Pundit manifested his desire to keep his real name private.

(something that goes for anyone who would express the same wish, provided the demand wasn't hypocritical in the first place, like having your real name in your sig, or linking to your games where you obviously use your real name and things like that, and then pretending you want your real identity to be kept private).

That ship sailed a long time ago. Everyone knows that there's a blogger out there (won't name or link, obviously, but it's easy enough to find) that has Pundejo's name on display for anyone who's curious.

If Pundit was serious about mantaining his privacy, (1) he wouldn't divulge his place of residence; (2) he wouldn't share a single detail about his personal life; (3) he'd hire a lawyer and get the offending blogpost taken down.

I respect the rule because I have no interest in breaking it, but his insistence on "anonymity" is a joke.

Quote from: Benoist;664533The real reason GW got banned: he systematically, repeatedly posted in the wrong places or posted off-topic shit as a "fuck you", he didn't give a shit about doing so, he got asked to stop multiple times, and didn't.

The "no storygames in the RPG forum" is another rule I have no interest in breaking, but if anything, GW was making a point; the split serves no practical purpose. And Media & Inspiration is full of threads that do not reference RPGs. Shall we close this one? What about this one? Or this recent example?

Quote from: The Butcher;664549That ship sailed a long time ago. Everyone knows that there's a blogger out there (won't name or link, obviously, but it's easy enough to find) that has Pundejo's name on display for anyone who's curious.

That has FUCK ALL to do with this Site. If you told me you don't want your real name to be used in correlation to your Butcher account here, people intentionally going there would get warned, and banned ultimately if they kept doing it after that.

Let me repeat this: how easy it is to find with a Google search has FUCK ALL to do with the rule here, on the RPG Site.

Quote from: The Butcher;664549If Pundit was serious about mantaining his privacy, (1) he wouldn't divulge his place of residence; (2) he wouldn't share a single detail about his personal life; (3) he'd hire a lawyer and get the offending blogpost taken down.

I respect the rule because I have no interest in breaking it, but his insistence on "anonymity" is a joke.

I don't give a flying fuck whether that sounds like a joke or whatnot. What does matter is that Pundit is serious about it, that his name is not featured in the games he advertises on this Site, or on the blog linked in his sig, or any of that, and that he's very serious about keeping his privacy HERE, on this Site.

That's all that matters.

Quote from: The Butcher;664549The "no storygames in the RPG forum" is another rule I have no interest in breaking, but if anything, GW was making a point; the split serves no practical purpose. And Media & Inspiration is full of threads that do not reference RPGs. Shall we close this one? What about this one? Or this recent example?

If you keep making "a point" by breaking the rules repeatedly and voluntarily over a long period of time, and you get warned about it and don't stop the bullshit, you will get banned, yes. This isn't about one particular instance. It's about a repeated, consistent pattern over time which, when it was addressed, being asked to stop multiple times, didn't. At the end yes, if you keep playing the cunt with the rules, the axe will fall. Nobody should be surprised about that.

Quote from: Benoist;664523That is LIGHT YEARS away from RPGnet's moderation.

So the fuck what? Oh, the quality posts there are mired in yellow shit, while the quality posts here are mired in greeny shit.

It's still shit.

Quote from: Ladybird;664568Oh, the quality posts there are mired in yellow shit

You might be colorblind.