Due to continued derailing of threads in the RPG section of the site, as well as making conversation all but impossible in some threads, the user CavScout has been banned.
::golf clap::
It happened so fast. I didn't see it coming. We were talking and then a power shortage and puff ! All gone
Quote from: boulet;290507It happened so fast. I didn't see it coming. We were talking and then a power shortage and puff ! All gone
Guess he forgot to pay his bill.
Que Queen's Another One Bites The Dust...
Well, I can't say it was a surprise.
Weak!
About god damned time.
I mean I'm and asshole, Pundits and asshole, assholes tend to piss each other off. But CavScout was a freaking waste of space. Guess I can take him off of ignore now.
Quote from: peteramthor;290571About god damned time.
This. I had just put him on my Ignore list, actually, but I hate that because it "cuts" conversations artificially.
Quote from: peteramthor;290571About god damned time.
I mean I'm and asshole, Pundits and asshole, assholes tend to piss each other off. But CavScout was a freaking waste of space. Guess I can take him off of ignore now.
A-yup. There are assholes, and then there are people who exist to make any sort of discussion impossible. So, good news there.
On the other hand, Seanchai is also banned. What happened there? I didn't like the guy at all, but I never thought he deserved anything.
Seanchai is banned for 24 hours, something that usually never happens here, but it is part of the object lesson in teaching the difference between RPGnet moderators and this site's moderation. He kept saying that there was no difference, so he won the right to be treated like there really isn't. After all, if what he was saying were true it wouldn't have changed anything, right? So he can be a big boy and admit he was wrong, or he can keep dealing with the rpgnet-level of moderation he claims this site already has.
RPGPundit
Just as I predicted. Funny, there really is no substantial difference between RPG.Net and your modpolicy as of this moment.
Sad thing to see someone leaving behind his ideals.
Look upthread, it´s already the same bullshit Pundit used to abhor:
"Somebody "did" anything."
"Somebody "deserves" sanctions."
"Valuable contributions"
Fuck this bullshit. Fuck this bullshit back when it was about something abominable, when I stopped posting. It was the beginning of the end, as it now shows.
Get to your senses, folks. You already ARE a modclique. Snap out of it.
EDIT: Oh, and bye again. I´ll start posting again when the bans are lifted, including Fritzs and WalkerPs. Bannings are a sign of weakness & insecurity, as well as the lack of trust in the power of discourse. It´s the slacker´s way out.
Quote from: RPGPundit;290684Seanchai is banned for 24 hours, something that usually never happens here, but it is part of the object lesson in teaching the difference between RPGnet moderators and this site's moderation. He kept saying that there was no difference, so he won the right to be treated like there really isn't. After all, if what he was saying were true it wouldn't have changed anything, right? So he can be a big boy and admit he was wrong, or he can keep dealing with the rpgnet-level of moderation he claims this site already has.
But that doesn't make sense, Pundit! It makes no sense at all! This is a downright bizarre way to address a poster complaint. "We demonstrate our principles by showing you how the people we are opposed to would be doing it."
Well, whatever, your forums, your right to moderate them. At least CavScout's case was justified, but this... sheesh,
NO.
About time this doofus was banned. Who decided it anyway ? Was it the Pundit or was it a group effort ?
Regards,
David R
My job here is to kill spam and move threads. In this case i have no doubt that i was fulfilling the first of those functions.
So let's see...if the Poobutt is now Cessna, or perhaps Darren, and OHT is now StephenLS...
Who gets to be Curt?
Excellent, at least i got to be the second best one...You missed Dan Davenport!
I've changed my mind...you can be FVB.
Quote from: droog;290695I've changed my mind...you can be FVB.
There's no need to be
that nasty.
Good to see the site's approach to obnoxious behaviour coming more into line with the Pundit's views on in-person behaviour. Inviting asshats to keep participating on your website is very much like inviting asshats to continue coming to your gaming group.
Quote from: Melan;290689But that doesn't make sense, Pundit! It makes no sense at all!
I guess the kids these days would say that he's banned
ironically.
Quote from: droog;290693Who gets to be Curt?
Well, the slot's open, if you're up for it. :p
!i!
Quote from: Ian Absentia;290741Well, the slot's open, if you're up for it. :p
!i!
IAN!!!!
I think it was just for 24 hours.
Who gets to be Nina ?
Regards,
David R
You.
Look, we aren't talking about WalkerP's somewhat dubious banning over his stubborn dead horse beating. I was disappointed to see him go as well as anyone, but he really did bring that upon himself.
We are talking about a consistent troublemaker. If I invite someone to my house and tell them 'Make yourself at home', and they proceed to shit on my carpet, the responsibility isn't on me to assume they must shit on their own carpet at home, so I shouldn't judge. They still have the responsibility to be a functioning member of society.
'Free Speech' doesn't mean anyone can come along and shit all over conversations just to get their rocks off.
Quote from: StormBringer;290773'Free Speech' doesn't mean anyone can come along and shit all over conversations just to get their rocks off.
I agree.
I was trying to put it into words but you did it much better than me. There's a fundamental difference between free speech and complete social anarchy. Free speech comes with an individual responsability to behave as a functional member of society. When you act like a total jackass consistently, you basically forfeit your right to free speech.
Society takes notice and may act accordingly.
I agree with SB and Benoist.
Though I have been an ass on this board the past week or two, myself. Which I'll put to a stop.
Quote from: Benoist;290776I agree.
I was trying to put it into words but you did it much better than me. There's a fundamental difference between free speech and complete social anarchy. Free speech comes with an individual responsability to behave as a functional member of society. When you act like a total jackass consistently, you basically forfeit your right to free speech.
Society takes notice and may act accordingly.
Exactly. The 'accept everyone' thing is the geek fallacy I most want to see consigned to oblivion.
I should be a mod. Search your feeling; you know it's true.
Quote from: Melan;290689But that doesn't make sense, Pundit! It makes no sense at all! This is a downright bizarre way to address a poster complaint. "We demonstrate our principles by showing you how the people we are opposed to would be doing it."
Well, whatever, your forums, your right to moderate them. At least CavScout's case was justified, but this... sheesh, NO.
I think it makes perfect sense. He made an accusation against me, over and over again. When I insisted it was not true, he and others ignored all the evidence for that.
There's nothing I hate more than the kind of fascism that those fuckers have engaged in, and to have someone come up to you and say "You're a fascist pig" over and over again, well, clearly I had to figure out a way to actually be able to make it undebatable that I'm not that way.
So, ok, Seanchai claims to really believe that I'm no different from rpgnet mods? Fine!
He's never going to fucking shut up about it anyways, so I might as well grant him, and just him, his wish and treat him exactly the way they would. That will have the benefit of actually confirming his world view for him, while making an obvious example of just how fucking different I am.
FOR FUCK'S SAKE! I don't ban people for criticizing me or for their ideas about games. I let you fuckers insult me over and over again day in and day out for YEARS. The very least I deserve is not to be called a fucking fascist. What he's been doing amounts to gross personal attacks in a stalkerish fashion.
RPGPundit
Quote from: Benoist;290776I agree.
I was trying to put it into words but you did it much better than me. There's a fundamental difference between free speech and complete social anarchy. Free speech comes with an individual responsability to behave as a functional member of society. When you act like a total jackass consistently, you basically forfeit your right to free speech.
Society takes notice and may act accordingly.
Exactly! He forfeited his right NOT to be treated with "rpgnet levels" of moderation, by his repeated deceitful deliberately insulting insistence that there was no difference.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPundit;290804Exactly! He forfeited his right NOT to be treated with "rpgnet levels" of moderation, by his repeated deceitful deliberately insulting insistence that there was no difference.
RPGPundit
Oh, I was referring to CavScout, actually. Seanchai is pushing similar buttons, to be sure, but I don't have a dog in that fight.
since you banned cavscout you may aswell ban his buddy jackalope since they're both the same really, though at least he got the message and left on his own so i guess not quite as bad in the end.
Quote from: Broken-Serenity;290816since you banned cavscout you may aswell ban his buddy jackalope since they're both the same really, though at least he got the message and left on his own so i guess not quite as bad in the end.
I thought Jackalope already got banned. Or am I thinking of that other guy around a month or two ago that was equally annoying?
- Ed C.
Quote from: StormBringer;290748IAN!!!!
Yes, I'm here to feed on the festering carcass.
Hey, to his credit, CavScout made a liar out of me. I long maintained that, once he was cut off from political threads, he'd voluntarily stop posting within a month. He lasted longer than that, and proved that he wasn't just here to stir up shit on the political spectrum, he was here to stir up shit across the board.
Also to his credit, he inspired me to get my ass out of political threads and into a broader survey of the roleplaying community online.
!i!
Quote from: Ian Absentia;290834Also to his credit, he inspired me to get my ass out of political threads and into a broader survey of the roleplaying community online.
!i!
In your wanderings to and fro, up and down the earth, did you manage to stumble across the Citadel and sign up?
Quote from: Koltar;290831I thought Jackalope already got banned. Or am I thinking of that other guy around a month or two ago that was equally annoying?
Jack was banned from posting in the political thread, but was free to post in the other threads on the board. Because he thought he was grouped unfairly with Cav Scout, he chose to leave theRPGsite on his own terms.
Quote from: StormBringer;290841In your wanderings to and fro, up and down the earth, did you manage to stumble across the Citadel and sign up?
No, but I did stumble back into active discussion regarding
HeroQuest. There's something of a shit-storm brewing over whether or not the forthcoming new edition is becoming too Narr instead of more Sim. See? Wherever you go, there you are.
Hey, and everyone feel free to chastise me if I haven't contributed to the RPG forum of the site within the next couple of posts. Coming back just to complain and opine makes me no better than Cavvie.
!i!
Quote from: Ian Absentia;290844Hey, and everyone feel free to chastise me if I haven't contributed to the RPG forum of the site within the next couple of posts. Coming back just to complain and opine makes me no better than Cavvie.
!i!
I do not have a sufficient number of shits to give regarding that matter. You are missing the very core to my line of inquiry:
Why are you not signed up at the Citadel?
Hello, Ian. Your avatar is gay.
I know you like to mock, droog, but sometimes I think you should try to remember that there's another person on the other side of the screen. A sensitive and delicate person, likely to be wearing girl's underwear. Show some compassion, you bastard.
Hi guys.
Quote from: droog;290849Hello, Ian. Your avatar is gay.
Oh, dear. I suppose I should cave to my insecurities and change it. Well, your avatar's gay, too, so make what you will of that.
And Aos, I'm wearing girls
in underwear. It's a fashion statement. You should be so lucky.
!i!
Quote from: Aos;290859Show some compassion, you bastard.
This is sig worthy, honestly. I almost spilled beer through my nostrils reading this!
Quote from: Aos;290859I know you like to mock, droog, but sometimes I think you should try to remember that there's another person on the other side of the screen. A sensitive and delicate person, likely to be wearing girl's underwear. Show some compassion, you bastard.
Best thing you wrote this month.
I have no issue with what's been done to either CavScout or Seanchai.
Quote from: Imperator;290864Best thing you wrote this month.
Sad, but true.
Quote from: Ian Absentia;290862Well, your avatar's gay, too, so make what you will of that.
I make it that you need new glasses....
Quote from: droog;290882I make it that you need new glasses....
I do, in fact, need a new prescription. Which has absolutely no bearing on the fact that my feeble attempt at a retort fell flat via the Internet.*
Damns, I still haven't posted to the games forum. :p
!i!
[*Yes, yes. I realise you have no avatar. See? There was supposed to be a joke in there somewhere.]
Quote from: Benoist;290772You.
I really wish they would make me a Mod. I have no problem whatsoever banning folks. Hell, for starters here's the list, Aos - gone. droog - gone. Clash - gone. No trouble at all.
Regards,
David R
I'm first!
This site really doesn't have a free speech policy anymore.
In the interest of full disclosure, i should point out that it was me that banned CavScout.
My only regret is that Abyssal Maw's play by post has been disrupted as a result.
Quote from: One Horse Town;291013In the interest of full disclosure, i should point out that it was me that banned CavScout.
My only regret is that Abyssal Maw's play by post has been disrupted as a result.
It's fine, we're pretty flexible.
On the plus side, we still have room for new PCs!
Inquire here...
(http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=13596)
The game is being played out here. (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=13601)
OHT was the one who banned cavscout, but he has my full support. It was really just becoming a matter of time with that asshole.
RPGPundit
I don't think OHT is an asshole.
Quote from: StormBringer;291082I don't think OHT is an asshole.
Dude, please. He was just a ticking bomb waiting to go off.
!i!
Quote from: StormBringer;291082I don't think OHT is an asshole.
Nobody said that you did. Nice strawman, Ian.
Quote from: StormBringer;291082I don't think OHT is an asshole.
Oh no! Are you going to step up and fill CavScout's shoes? :p:D
Quote from: Ian Absentia;291084Dude, please. He was just a ticking bomb waiting to go off.
!i!
I think that Stormy was trying to be funny. Pundit's last sentence could be construed to mean that OHT is the asshole in that sentence.
:combust:
:D
Maybe because I don't hang out in off-Topic, I never had a problem with CavScout...
But, the moderation here has been much more lax than rpg.net (at least the way rpg.net was back when I posted there regularly)...I haven't been banned, warned or had to navigate around a passive aggressive clique of douchebags once. I've found it very easy to talk about rpgs here the way I talk about rpgs, that's why I've stuck around.
At rpg.net, at around 500 posts or so I think I'd been banned 3 times temporarily and once permanently (which ended up being temporarily). Just for chatting about rpgs the way I do.
As far as I'm concerned, I've been unmoderated. I've already noticed you need to be a real huge, annoying douchebag or, like, a child molester to get yourself banned here. Basically, you need to be asking for it.
Everyone else needs to chill out. Let them run the damn site!
Maybe because I don't hang out in off-Topic, I never had a problem with CavScout...
But, the moderation here has been much more lax than rpg.net (at least the way rpg.net was back when I posted there regularly)...I haven't been banned, warned or had to navigate around a passive aggressive clique of douchebags once. I've found it very easy to talk about rpgs here the way I talk about rpgs, that's why I've stuck around.
At rpg.net, at around 500 posts or so I think I'd been banned 3 times temporarily and once permanently (which ended up being temporarily). Just for chatting about rpgs the way I do.
As far as I'm concerned, I've been unmoderated. I've already noticed you need to be a real huge, annoying douchebag or, like, a child molester to get yourself banned here.
Quote from: Aos;291085Nice strawman, Ian.
Yes, it is. I stick pins and needles in it and dance naked around it while fucking a bleached skull.
Are we all forgetting our smilies today?
!i!
I never use them, it fucks up the whole internet-tough-guy thing I've got going on.
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;290867I have no issue with what's been done to either CavScout or Seanchai.
Nor do I. Seanchai is a major dick. Maybe the 24 hour vacation will do him some good. And as for Cav....
...all Cav did was argue. He was a bitter little bastard that fought people constantly, and yet through it all, I still don't know what his real positions are on any issue, and I have no clue what he likes for roleplaying games. His perma-ban doesn't surprise me in the least.
Quote from: Aos;291136I never use them, it fucks up the whole internet-tough-guy thing I've got going on.
But it hurts my feelings. Sure, get all up in droog's grill about being aware of my sensitivity, but roll out the double-standard for yourself.
!i!
I made that post to demonstrate how different I am from everyone else. If I were truly insensitive, I would have made a post just like that post. The difference is obviously obvious.
No one gets it. This is supposed to be about how evil i am.
Quote from: One Horse Town;291144No one gets it. This is supposed to be about how evil i am.
When did this song become about you? I'm supposed to be here gorging on carrion.
!i!
Quote from: One Horse Town;291144No one gets it. This is supposed to be about how evil i am.
So far you don't seem to be "evil".
Sory if thats what you wre aiming for.
(Heard that a funny mustache and a black cape help on the look part of it. )
- Ed C.
Quote from: Ian Absentia;291154When did this song become about you? I'm supposed to be here gorging on carrion.
!i!
The song remains the same, Ian, the song remains the same.
Welcome back BTW.
Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;291137Nor do I. Seanchai is a major dick. Maybe the 24 hour vacation will do him some good.
The whole idea of "hopefully you'll learn" does seem fairly pointless to me. Around here, with this one notable exception that was really meant for proving a point about the vast differences in moderation style (much more than it was meant to be about banning anyone, I don't WANT to ban Seanchai, the whole thing wasn't an exercise in moderation as much as it was an exercise in rhetoric).
That's why here we don't pull that stupid rpgnet shit of "we'll ban you for 24 hours so you'll come back and be a good boy". Its nonsense. If someone is really so bad here that they have to be banned, its going to be forever. The point isn't to get them to "learn" its to stop this site from being disrupted.
The mere act of selecting the "banned for 24 hours" button made me feel dirty inside.
The only reason for doing it in this case was because someone was claiming that there was no difference.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPundit;291172The whole idea of "hopefully you'll learn" does seem fairly pointless to me. Around here, with this one notable exception that was really meant for proving a point about the vast differences in moderation style (much more than it was meant to be about banning anyone, I don't WANT to ban Seanchai, the whole thing wasn't an exercise in moderation as much as it was an exercise in rhetoric).
That's why here we don't pull that stupid rpgnet shit of "we'll ban you for 24 hours so you'll come back and be a good boy". Its nonsense. If someone is really so bad here that they have to be banned, its going to be forever. The point isn't to get them to "learn" its to stop this site from being disrupted.
The mere act of selecting the "banned for 24 hours" button made me feel dirty inside.
The only reason for doing it in this case was because someone was claiming that there was no difference.
RPGPundit
You're probably right about that being pointless. I get the feeling that the ban was more symbolic anyway than to "teach him a lesson", and I don't blame you for getting peeved over his bullshit accusations either. He'll be back here soon, and life will go on as usual. No bigee.
Ian, you're on the list too.
Regards,
David R
Quote from: One Horse Town;291144No one gets it. This is supposed to be about how evil i am.
You're next on the permaban list.
Quote from: David R;291214Ian, you're on the list too.
Regards,
David R
:confused:
Quote from: One Horse Town;291299:confused:
When the Pundit makes me a Mod, I have this list, see, so far, the folks who are gonna' suffer eternal bannation are, Aos, droog, clash...maybe you OHT...I still have decided yet. (I have removed Ian from it, because he's into some cool games)
Regards,
David R
In such illustrious company, i would not feel ashamed.
That's it OHT, you're on the LIST !
Regards,
David R
Shit. This is like being friends with Stalin.
!i!
Be wary Ian, I just realized that droog is Falstaff to my Henry V, so he's off the LIST. So, there's a couple of extra slots available....
Regards,
David R
Quote from: David R;291342Be wary Ian, I just realized that droog is Falstaff to my Henry V, so he's off the LIST. So, there's a couple of extra slots available....
Regards,
David R
I know you're making a list, but are you checking it twice? Getting rid of droogie gains TWO slots? I had no idea he was so... wide.
-clash
Not bad, Clash. You were on the LIST for your own good. You are too nice for this forum. Apparently this is not the case. So, you're off the LIST.
AM I NOT MERCIFUL !
Regards,
David R
Quote from: David R;291463AM I NOT MERCIFUL !
David R
You look like Sting to me...
Quote from: jeff37923;291588You look like Sting to me...
yeah but it's a young cool sting, before the Tina Turner, Brian Adams sing along.
Ok, I think its time to close this thread.
RPGPundit