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Seriously guys, I get this is the RPGsite, and you don't have to be civil.

However, just because it isn't enforced doesn't mean that you'll be listened too because you are being an ass.

In fact, it just means larger ignore lists for some people. Or for those of us who rarely use them, a complete discounting of your opinions, without hitting the button.


Lately, it seems as if this site has been far more scathing than it has any reason to be, so, kindly, please, can we think a bit longer and be a bit nicer?

I get that sometimes the hellfires need to be unleashed on some people, but lets not be excessive here.

Please?

Quote from: Silverlion;664006Seriously guys, I get this is the RPGsite, and you don't have to be civil.

However, just because it isn't enforced doesn't mean that you'll be listened too because your being an ass. In fact, it just means larger ignore lists for some people.


Lately, it seems as if this site has been far more scathing than it has any reason to be, so, kindly, please, can we think a bit longer and be a bit nicer?

the only thing I see as really different is this thing with people claiming to have, "won the argument"...because they say so.

And people doing more (it has always been here) of starting the same fight in every thread, regardless of topic,

See what ya done ben, you've gone and upset silverlion.

Quote from: LordVreeg;664008the only thing I see as really different is this thing with people claiming to have, "won the argument"...because they say so.

And because they have solid statistics to back themselves up. Realism is objective, otherwise it would just be someone's opinion.

Quote from: LordVreeg;664008And people doing more (it has always been here) of starting the same fight in every thread, regardless of topic,

That's just silly shit that adults shouldn't indulge in. I make no apologies having done nothing wrong, I keep my arguments to the threads where they belong.

Silverlion's panties are in a twist because grubman surfaced to pimp his latest shit and my reply (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?p=663996#post663996) offended his delicate sensibilities.

I've seen grubman's shtick for years. The guy's an attention whore whose 'contributions' to different forums rarely consist of more than hawking whatever crap he's desperate for others to notice.

Compare him to Clash, who actually participates in discussions with more than advertising and masturbation.

Honestly, I was reading threads on my phone about stuff earlier and was like "sheesh people.."  then I saw this:



http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=26906


Which is really, really, the issue. A game writer comes to share his work, and gets lambasted for that? Really? (It is even in ADS where it belongs!)

As for Black Vulmea, I could point you at threads he's done for Supers! Triumphant! Or other games he's run/talked about and didn't write, but part of the reason he is less active is explicitly your kind of behavior. Its no skin off anyones nose if he tries to share his stuff, not really. Then again, he's actually adding to the hobby.*shrugs*

Quote from: Silverlion;664021Honestly, I was reading threads on my phone about stuff earlier and was like "sheesh people.."  then I saw this:



http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=26906


Which is really, really, the issue. A game writer comes to share his work, and gets lambasted for that? Really? (It is even in ADS where it belongs!)

Actually, i moved it there from the main forum.

Oh okay, a BV drive by. Carry on.

Quote from: One Horse Town;664026Actually, i moved it there from the main forum.

That's fine, I imagine he'd have put it there himself if he'd realized.

I too have noticed a marked increase in shittyness on the forums lately.

My working theory is that someone has been daily pissing in our cereal.

Personally I won't rest until that man is found.

What is this commie hippie bullshit?

Jokes aside - the trouble is, Silverlion, that you are either civilised to understand this to begin with, or no effort short of a good beating (that your parents spared you/life spared you) will fix the situation. Or perhaps too much of that beating, and not enough...whatever passes for compassionate gestures these days.

Quote from: Piestrio;664033I too have noticed a marked increase in shittyness on the forums lately.

My working theory is that someone has been daily pissing in our cereal.

Personally I won't rest until that man is found.

Cereal is pregnant women's food. (http://somethingsensitive.com/Smileys/default/geitner.png)

Quote from: Piestrio;664033My working theory is that someone has been daily pissing in our cereal.

So that's what that was - I thought the milk just passed its sell-by date.

Quote from: The Traveller;664013And because they have solid statistics to back themselves up. Realism is objective, otherwise it would just be someone's opinion.

You mean objective like the 30 years war happened in the Middle-ages?

The marked problem I'm seeing personally is that it becomes incredibly hard to have any discussion on this forum without running into some jackass willing to go full-on stupid down the deep end of complete nonsense to declare some "victory" in his schizophrenic world and avoid the responsibility of actually being wrong at all.

Or that other guy who keeps saying stupid shit about D&D that actually isn't in D&D at all, gets shown the relevant parts that are not saying what he thinks it's saying, then moves the goalposts to say it's about the settings, to get actual quotes that actually don't say what he says it's saying to then move the goalposts again about another setting to be proven wrong again and then claim it's about a tiny wheeny part of that quote ignoring the rest, which gets proven wrong again, to switch the goalposts again to say "well I never said the books said that, I meant to say they were unclear" which they weren't, but dude actually didn't read them for the last twenty years so couldn't possibly know about it in the first place.

I could do with less of this kind of teenage stubborn bullshit on the forums, guys.

Thank you.

I have to support silverlion's position here. I think in general the civility has gotten a lot worse around here. I like that we don't really mod that kind of stuff and in the past it has kept the place a bit more exciting and interesting. But it has been getting a bit much recently for my taste (which is one reason I have cut down on my postings).

Quote from: Benoist;664038You mean objective like the 30 years war happened in the Middle-ages?

The marked problem I'm seeing personally is that it becomes incredibly hard to have any discussion on this forum without running into some jackass willing to go full-on stupid down the deep end of complete nonsense to declare some "victory" in his schizophrenic world and avoid the responsibility of actually being wrong at all.

Or that other guy who keeps saying stupid shit about D&D that actually isn't in D&D at all, gets shown the relevant parts that are not saying what he thinks it's saying, then moves the goalposts to say it's about the settings, to get actual quotes that actually don't say what he says it's saying to then move the goalposts again about another setting to be proven wrong again and then claim it's about a tiny wheeny part of that quote ignoring the rest, which gets proven wrong again, to switch the goalposts again to say "well I never said the books said that, I meant to say they were unclear" which they weren't, but dude actually didn't read them for the last twenty years so couldn't possibly know about it in the first place.

I could do with less of this kind of teenage stubborn bullshit on the forums, guys.

Thank you.

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What Rince said.

Quote from: Silverlion;664032That's fine, I imagine he'd have put it there himself if he'd realized.

Sure.

BV's post was before i moved it, just to give it a context. Like a lot of us, it was excessively hostile, but no-one promised an emotionally safe environment here.

I will note, however, that i think we've had fewer new members recently (who actually hang around and post) and the hostility rating has risen to 1.135387 on the shitometer.

Quote from: Rincewind1;664041(http://maxcdn.zenpencils.com/comics/2013-03-26-river.jpg)

Curious. The version I always heard of this story was that it was the younger monk who carries the girl, which is a much more significant message.

The big issue is there is very little new blood. It's all the same guys repeating the same conversations over and over again. I enjoy it, but it does get monotonous.

And then if someone like grubman posts something, someone with a vendetta against him for some imaginary slight instantly jumps in and attacks him. No wonder new people post a few times and then leave.

Why stay somewhere that will just shit on you because you accidentally talk about something that all the old-timers have already hashed out 10 times because they are bored, or because one asshole will jump into every thread you start and attack you with no repercussions?

I agree, though, that it would be a good idea if people tried to tone down some of the persistent personal-grudge flamewars.  

Traveller, I'll specifically ask you to cut it out with Benoist, who has put you on ignore anyways.

RPGPundit

On this topic - I will admit to gradually drifting away from or sometimes intentionally staying away from both this forum and the SJG forums.

Mostly it was because too many folks just seem to want to attack and argue just for the sake of arguing - that can get pretty damn boring and tiresome. (This is on both forums)

There are at least 5 or 6 of you on here that I DO like discussing things with or reading your input - but too often the irritating assholes but in and stir things up into the wrong direction or drown out those that are contributing fun stuff.

My GURPS: Star Trek campaign is still going on ...and still trying my best to run a session every other week - averages out to two times a month, depending on the calender.  I would love to GM more often - but real life things like family, friends, work, dating, social life, and health problems often get in the way.

That means that  in my hobby life of gaming the extra stress of potentially pointless arguments is not thought of as 'fun'.

As for Pundit himself?

Generally speaking he's always been fair with me on here.

- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;664137On this topic - I will admit to gradually drifting away from or sometimes intentionally staying away from both this forum and the SJG forums.


- Ed C.

*twitch*

I used to lurk there.

*twitch*

Quote from: Piestrio;664139*twitch*

I used to lurk there.

*twitch*

What are your feelings on the overland hiking rules?

That thread and others there, like on rpg.net, are good examples of how there can be ill feelings without ill words. And here there can be ill words without ill feelings. For example, were Traveller at my game table, I would tell him to shut the fuck up and roll the dice, and I've no doubt he would, and in the end both he and I would be happy about the game session. But here he gets to indulge his "oh hello, I'd like to buy an argument," "No you wouldn't!" side.

Silverlion is focusing on the words rather than the feelings. Read between the lines, mate.

Quote from: Benoist;664038You mean objective like the 30 years war happened in the Middle-ages?

The marked problem I'm seeing personally is that it becomes incredibly hard to have any discussion on this forum without running into some jackass willing to go full-on stupid down the deep end of complete nonsense to declare some "victory" in his schizophrenic world and avoid the responsibility of actually being wrong at all.

I could do with less of this kind of teenage stubborn bullshit on the forums, guys.

Thank you.

The irony, she is thick like good Russian woman.

Yeah, I think I'm going to regroup on G+ at this point. So long guys. I suspect some of you will be declaring victory at this, completely missing the fact that it's exactly the kind of behavior that's part of the problem, but at least I'd find that amusing.

Quote from: danbuter;664114The big issue is there is very little new blood.

I wonder why.

Quote from: danbuter;664114It's all the same guys repeating the same conversations over and over again. I enjoy it, but it does get monotonous.

And the subject material has been so aggressively narrowly focused and defended that the same conversations are all you CAN engage in.

Quote from: danbuter;664114And then if someone like grubman posts something, someone with a vendetta against him for some imaginary slight instantly jumps in and attacks him. No wonder new people post a few times and then leave.

This entire forum was founded on a vendetta, and becoming a zealot to fight zealots.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;664147Silverlion is focusing on the words rather than the feelings. Read between the lines, mate.

I had a clever dismissive remark for this, but fuck it, because this is a special kind of bullshit. By saying that words don't mean what the words mean you've rendered any foundation for discussion void, and can't be more of an apologist for the kind of bad behavior this site is known for.

Oh, and I DO read between the lines, and what I find is genuine hostility and defensiveness against new people and ideas. This is NOT the kind of insulting banter used and understood by a close group of friends. And new people who lack the familiarity to read between those lines are only going to see the words as they are anyway, which makes your point even more meaningless.

Leaving with same class as you arrived, Anon.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;664147What are your feelings on the overland hiking rules?

That thread and others there, like on rpg.net, are good examples of how there can be ill feelings without ill words. And here there can be ill words without ill feelings. For example, were Traveller at my game table, I would tell him to shut the fuck up and roll the dice, and I've no doubt he would, and in the end both he and I would be happy about the game session. But here he gets to indulge his "oh hello, I'd like to buy an argument," "No you wouldn't!" side.

Silverlion is focusing on the words rather than the feelings. Read between the lines, mate.

I don't understand what you mean. You mean passive - aggressive stuff?

Quote from: RPGPundit;664121I agree, though, that it would be a good idea if people tried to tone down some of the persistent personal-grudge flamewars.  

Traveller, I'll specifically ask you to cut it out with Benoist, who has put you on ignore anyways.

RPGPundit

Once again, I'm not the one following people around making backhanded snipes about realism. Consider it dropped, since he's got me on ignore at this stage.

Quote from: J Arcane;664149The irony, she is thick like good Russian woman.

Says the guy who keeps jumping in on conversations that have fuck all to do with him to take pot shots at me because somehow he's got a problem he can't get over.

You're right. The irony. It is thick.

As long as you claim a position where you're allowed to judge other's conduct, I'll continue to find utter mirth in the hypocrisy of it.

It's one of life's little burdens.

Quote from: J Arcane;664215As long as you claim a position where you're allowed to judge other's conduct, I'll continue to find utter mirth in the hypocrisy of it.

You mean like you are judging me now? Or when you kept judging people who were playing old school games until somehow you saw the light yourself so it never happened?

Sounds like someone needs to take a plank or two out of his own eye.

Hmmm yeah think I'm done with Black Vulmea. I consider Grubman a friend, have known him for a very long time.

As for the topic, I agree with the OP. That said, theRpgsite is like one of those nasty dives where you're as likely to catch syphilis as you are to get a shiv in the ribs, but you've heard that they have great atmosphere and somewhere deep down inside you are self destructive and want to live dangerously.

Quote from: Rincewind1;664183Leaving with same class as you arrived, Anon.

Quoted For Truth

As TheRPGSite is built on the concept of unrestrained argument, I don't personally have an issue with recent conduct of posters. I agree its generally a shame that some people are unjustifiably douchebags to other people or hold grudges, but if you post here you should be prepared for what you get, or simply walk away.

TBH the only issue I have with these forums, that caused me to take a break from them, is the way the some mods hide behind their mod powers in a poor attempt to "win" arguments, when their own bias and personal agendas are obvious. If you don't agree with something someone says, argue it or concede the point.

Still, there is nothing that can be done about those actions, and fortunately the actions speak for themselves. Unfortunately, I think this adds to the attitude of certain posters here that is acceptable to act without regard for others.

I don't mind discussion or argument, but vitriol is unneeded.

Quote from: The Traveller;664197Once again, I'm not the one following people around making backhanded snipes about realism. Consider it dropped, since he's got me on ignore at this stage.

I'm in no way saying it was just you; it takes two to tango; I think benoist is owning up to this in a way, acknowledging his own role in the conflict and choosing to bow out. I'm glad to hear you plan to do the same.

Quote from: Rincewind1;664183I don't understand what you mean. You mean passive - aggressive stuff?

Yes.

When outright nastiness is banned, the ill feelings don't magically go away, things fester. Most of us have seen this in our workplace, a couple of co-workers go head-to-head, the boss steps in and says, "let's agree to disagree", and things are worse than they were before, everyone can feel the hostility, nasty gossip happens, sides are taken, and so on.

Things are better when people speak their minds. Obviously there are limits here, it's not necessary or helpful to call someone a cunt because he won't contribute to a gift for the secretary's new baby, or because he thinks hit points are realistic. The answer comes back to the GMing advice I've offered many times before, that some of the most useful words you have are, "No, don't be stupid," and leave it at that with no further discussion, just leave them muttering angrily to themselves until they stop.

Like Clemenza said in The Godfather, "These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood." It's the internet, we're faster-paced now, so it's every few months.

Quote from: RPGPundit;664341I'm in no way saying it was just you; it takes two to tango; I think benoist is owning up to this in a way, acknowledging his own role in the conflict and choosing to bow out. I'm glad to hear you plan to do the same.

I dunno Pundit I'm pretty tired of it, he's rejoined the thread on realism while grandly ignoring anything I have to say. Irrational and foolish.

I'll be back when I'm back.

No harm to yourself for whom I have the greatest respect.

Quote from: The Traveller;664361I dunno Pundit I'm pretty tired of it, he's rejoined the thread on realism while grandly ignoring anything I have to say. Irrational and foolish.

Did you get the part where I said he has you on ignore?

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;664360Yes.

When outright nastiness is banned, the ill feelings don't magically go away, things fester. Most of us have seen this in our workplace, a couple of co-workers go head-to-head, the boss steps in and says, "let's agree to disagree", and things are worse than they were before, everyone can feel the hostility, nasty gossip happens, sides are taken, and so on.

Things are better when people speak their minds.

I strongly agree. Clearly, though, there are better and worse ways to speak one's mind.

Quote from: Silverlion;664334I don't mind discussion or argument, but vitriol is unneeded.

How are the cushions holding up on the ol' fainting couch?

The funny thing is, my post that gave you such vapours was sarcastic, certainly, but vitriolic? Not by a fucking country mile.

Truth is, people who solicit the approval of others turn my stomach, so no, I'm not a fan of grubman and no, that doesn't speak particularly well of my own character. It's my flaw, and I own it for what it is. If you think that's going to change because you're clutching your pearls, however, fuckin' fugedaboutit.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;664360When outright nastiness is banned, the ill feelings don't magically go away, things fester. . . . Things are better when people speak their minds.

There's truth in this.

Maybe I just have a thicker skin, but I don't expect to have my ass coddled on the intrewebs. I wrote a blog post awhile back, and to offer a criticism of my own point of view, I included a link to the following post here on theRPGsite.

Quote from: J Arcane;619652I've seen this definition twice now, and it remains the stupidest fucking distinction I've seen yet.

I'm not an orchid that wilts under a blast of cold air. One of the reasons I appreciate this site more than most is the straight-up criticism that gets dished out; bullshit gets called out as such faster and more thoroughly here than the other sites with which I'm personally familiar, and I see that as a good thing.

And if you don't like what I have to say or how I say it, the Ignore function works wonders. Indeed, I finally broke my own rule and put rincewind on it when he first popped up again, and lately added The Traveller as well, and not only did the signal-to-noise ratio jump significantly but now I only have to read about as third as many posts to get through a thread, so win-win.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;664360Yes.

When outright nastiness is banned, the ill feelings don't magically go away, things fester. Most of us have seen this in our workplace, a couple of co-workers go head-to-head, the boss steps in and says, "let's agree to disagree", and things are worse than they were before, everyone can feel the hostility, nasty gossip happens, sides are taken, and so on.

Things are better when people speak their minds. Obviously there are limits here, it's not necessary or helpful to call someone a cunt because he won't contribute to a gift for the secretary's new baby, or because he thinks hit points are realistic. The answer comes back to the GMing advice I've offered many times before, that some of the most useful words you have are, "No, don't be stupid," and leave it at that with no further discussion, just leave them muttering angrily to themselves until they stop.

Like Clemenza said in The Godfather, "These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood." It's the internet, we're faster-paced now, so it's every few months.

I agree for the most part Kyle. But on the other hand - just because you can act like a Neanderthal, ought you act like a Neanderthal?

I'm not easily offended, and I have a rather thick skin. But there's crass humour, and there is the death of wit in words. I have little tolerance for louts, though I prefer now to their level. Was I a true British fop, I'd probably say now "This is why you don't let the working class in."

Quote from: jeff37923;664264Quoted For Truth

The saddest thing is, that perhaps he could've spoken something interesting, if he ever took off the Armour of Contempt, put down the Holy Word and just tried to talk, rather than come for validation how better he is than the rest of us.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;664379How are the cushions holding up on the ol' fainting couch?

I'm not an orchid that wilts under a blast of cold air. One of the reasons I appreciate this site more than most is the straight-up criticism that gets dished out; bullshit gets called out as such faster and more thoroughly here than the other sites with which I'm personally familiar, and I see that as a good thing.

And if you don't like what I have to say or how I say it, the Ignore function works wonders. Indeed, I finally broke my own rule and put rincewind on it when he first popped up again, and lately added The Traveller as well, and not only did the signal-to-noise ratio jump significantly but now I only have to read about as third as many posts to get through a thread, so win-win.

At this rate, you'll be talking to yourself in no time. I honestly don't know you from anyone, but the way you jumped on grubman for absolutely nothing makes you look like a real ass.

Quote from: danbuter;664404At this rate, you'll be talking to yourself in no time. I honestly don't know you from anyone, but the way you jumped on grubman for absolutely nothing makes you look like a real ass.

ayup.

Quote from: danbuter;664404At this rate, you'll be talking to yourself in no time.

Maybe.

Quote from: danbuter;664404At this rate, you'll be talking to yourself in no time.

Maybe so.

You're a real peach, Mike.

QuoteAs for the topic, I agree with the OP. That said, theRpgsite is like one of those nasty dives where you're as likely to catch syphilis as you are to get a shiv in the ribs, but you've heard that they have great atmosphere and somewhere deep down inside you are self destructive and want to live dangerously.

Yup. That's why I come here. Plus between the knife fights there's some nice people.

Want a sweet bbs, try mine. But stay here as well.

Quote from: Rincewind1;664394I agree for the most part Kyle. But on the other hand - just because you can act like a Neanderthal, ought you act like a Neanderthal?

Sure, and a fair thing to say. But there is of course that sadly neglected place called "the excluded middle". Between the wussy politically-correct passive-aggressive furry transgendered land of rpg.net and the pus-oozing boil on the hairy arse of humanity that is 4chan, there is a sensible middle ground.

For my part, I have always said: put up or shut up. Rather than complaining about the posts or threads others are making, make the posts or threads you want to see. This applies to both content and tone.

That. and just put the cocksmocks on ignore. Firefox used to have a plugin that was very good for this, rather than "this message is not visible because Kyle Aaron is on your ignore list," the idiot's posts would not be visible to you at all - you could even disappear entire threads or subforums. Fuck, things were so peaceful then... you'd just get the occasional quote of the cocksmock.

Anyway, put up or shut up.

Let's not turn a thread about toning down on grudges into RPGsite's Gossip Girl Special Edition: Who Has Who On Ignore.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;664446Sure, and a fair thing to say. But there is of course that sadly neglected place called "the excluded middle". Between the wussy politically-correct passive-aggressive furry transgendered land of rpg.net and the pus-oozing boil on the hairy arse of humanity that is 4chan, there is a sensible middle ground.

For my part, I have always said: put up or shut up. Rather than complaining about the posts or threads others are making, make the posts or threads you want to see. This applies to both content and tone.

That. and just put the cocksmocks on ignore. Firefox used to have a plugin that was very good for this, rather than "this message is not visible because Kyle Aaron is on your ignore list," the idiot's posts would not be visible to you at all - you could even disappear entire threads or subforums. Fuck, things were so peaceful then... you'd just get the occasional quote of the cocksmock.

Anyway, put up or shut up.

4chan is actually heavily moderated to stay on topic, but I personally find it not some Mos Eisley of Internet - sure, a lot of people chimp out, but that's what you expect there. And in fact, it has one huge advantage - anonymity if you desire. You can't hold a grudge against someone who has no form of signature.

I make threads I want. But I also agree with some of Silverlion's sentiment, even if it doesn't bother me personally. I know I'm a horrible asshole, but I try to be civilised none the less (well, some of the time). Aggression raises the stakes on both sides.

On a brighter note:

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Quote from: camazotz;664424You're a real peach, Mike.

Yes, I'm sure you've never said an unkind word for anyone in your life, 'zotz.

And that's my last word on the subject.

Quote from: RPGPundit;664373Did you get the part where I said he has you on ignore?

the wisdom of it all...

Quote from: RPGPundit;664373Did you get the part where I said he has you on ignore?

Obviously I meant he was ignoring the previous posts which he had read and failed to counter, before putting me on ignore and sailing back into the thread like a grandly oblivious galleon complete with a flotilla of two others doing the same. In what way is that constructive? Not at all. Why? Because D&D so nuh uh.

Anyone else trying anything even remotely similar to following people around from thread to thread would have received a sharp rap on the knuckles. If I wanted passive aggressive mod drama I'd be posting somewhere else.

Quote from: Black VulmeaAnd if you don't like what I have to say or how I say it, the Ignore function works wonders. Indeed, I finally broke my own rule and put rincewind on it when he first popped up again, and lately added The Traveller as well, and not only did the signal-to-noise ratio jump significantly but now I only have to read about as third as many posts to get through a thread, so win-win.

Oh how I shall miss our light hearted banter and exchange of witty repartee. You're pretty thin skinned for someone that dishes it out in such copious amounts.

Quote from: LordVreegthe wisdom of it all...

Yeah.

Quote from: Rincewind1;664482Let's not turn a thread about toning down on grudges into RPGsite's Gossip Girl Special Edition: Who Has Who On Ignore.

Reading this thread has me thinking about ignore lists.

I don't have anyone on mine, and I'd be very surprised if someone cared enough to Ignore me, but I see from this thread that it's pretty common practice.

It's interesting to me, then, that many of the site's key figures are not seeing the full site - just bits and pieces from difference angles, Ignoring whole chunks of people and their ideas. I'm not sure if this is a worse, or just a more honestly subjective experience of therpgsite.

//Panjumanju

Quote from: Panjumanju;678441Reading this thread has me thinking about ignore lists.

I don't have anyone on mine, and I'd be very surprised if someone cared enough to Ignore me, but I see from this thread that it's pretty common practice.

It's interesting to me, then, that many of the site's key figures are not seeing the full site - just bits and pieces from difference angles, Ignoring whole chunks of people and their ideas. I'm not sure if this is a worse, or just a more honestly subjective experience of therpgsite.

//Panjumanju

Obviously I have an "ignore" list (see my sig), but I don't have anyone officially on the official ignore function.  I still see posts.  The only reason for my sig is because after a certain amount of time arguing, I've decided certain people aren't worth rehashing the same stuff over and over again, so for my sanity (and everyone else's), I just won't be replying to them any more.  I'm pretty sure 90% of the userbase here gives less than a shit about arguments between people that they aren't involved in, so I'm working on reducing that from my end.

Quote from: Rincewind1;664041(http://maxcdn.zenpencils.com/comics/2013-03-26-river.jpg)

Nice. Kudos.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;664176what I find is genuine hostility and defensiveness against new people and ideas.

Disagreement is not hostility.

Quote from: CRKrueger;682037Disagreement is not hostility.

Pundit and I went back and forth and disagreed about 'Social Mechanics' on a thread of his for quite a while, and yet we still find ourselves on the same side often.  
Debate depends on different opinions; some lack of agreement.  It's also healthy and a good thing.  When said debate is between adults and is seen from the outset as constructive.