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What makes Shadowrun...Shadowrun???

Started by Spinachcat, July 03, 2014, 04:01:32 AM

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Sommerjon

Parts of SR that makes my teeth itch are; the extraterritoriality of the Corps, Corps more powerful then governments, and the break up of only certain countries.  

Oh and this:  Who is buying all the shit the Corps are supposedly producing if most can't rub 2 nuyen together?
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

James Gillen

Quote from: Sommerjon;798173Parts of SR that makes my teeth itch are; the extraterritoriality of the Corps, Corps more powerful then governments, and the break up of only certain countries.  

Oh and this:  Who is buying all the shit the Corps are supposedly producing if most can't rub 2 nuyen together?

The people who actually have money.
And if it seems odd that the economy only exists for a quickly-dwindling minority of people who actually have resources, well, that's why Cyberpunk isn't science fiction anymore.  ;)

JG
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VengerSatanis

Cool concept, but I don't have the time to read every post in the thread right now.  Besides the fantasy + cyberpunk of 1989, I think making the entire system d6 is needed to truly evoke that Shadowrun feel.  It definitely needs to be simplified and given the OSR treatment.

Maybe you could dip into Dark Conspiracy, too?

How far along are you on the writing?  Do you have a rough draft?

VS

Spinachcat

Quote from: Sommerjon;798173Parts of SR that makes my teeth itch are; the extraterritoriality of the Corps, Corps more powerful then governments, and the break up of only certain countries.

I am certainly working on this.

My initial thought is Militarized Anarchy. The government and the corps have an uneasy balance of power, but the government no longer has the juice to keep the peace everywhere, thus the ability of corps to run their own fiefdoms.

Also, this means there is no National Johnny Law for the corps to run to when they get hit by the PCs, but the gov't is still there so roads exist.

I was thinking about going the reverse with the countries becoming larger and combined instead of breaking up. Big nations with lots of squabbling sub nations with corporate fiefdoms within them.


Quote from: Sommerjon;798173Who is buying all the shit the Corps are supposedly producing if most can't rub 2 nuyen together?

How the fuck did Apple make so much money off iPhones during the worst years of the recession?

How the fuck did we have huge unemployment, and games like Angry Birds and Candy Crush made a metric fuckton of money from micro-transactions during the same time?

This confuses me as well. Cyberpunk is corporate dystopia, a battle between haves and have nots is a key element BUT even poor people need the basics - so there is plenty of money at the bottom to siphon. I'm thinking of competing 99 cent stores for the lower classes.

I plan to read up on 3rd world economics and get some tutoring on how BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China) works for day to day commerce on the various class and income levels.


Quote from: VengerSatanis;799245I think making the entire system d6 is needed to truly evoke that Shadowrun feel.

Hmm...I will muse upon this. My initial focus is D20-lite/OSR-ish "D&Disms with guns" for the system, but I can see the appeal of a D6 version.

I bought Jason Richard's Kickstarter for his "Not-Rifts" D6 game called Breachworld which uses Mini-Six so I will think about how that maybe a Mini-Six conversion would be a good idea too.


Quote from: VengerSatanis;799245Maybe you could dip into Dark Conspiracy, too?

Interesting idea! I haven't played Dark Conspiracy since it came out.


Quote from: VengerSatanis;799245How far along are you on the writing?  Do you have a rough draft?

My random notes and scribbles of a madman fill about 40 pages at the moment, I sat down last night to brain barf about chargen and that's another 10 pages of ultra-rough.

Unfortunately, work crap is getting in the way of dedicated writing at the moment.

VengerSatanis

You're more than welcome to use my little homemade d6 game mechanic:

http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2014/02/vsd6.html

It's free and there's no license of anything.  

How do you want it to manifest?  As a full-length RPG?  

I'd like to help out in some way, though my time is also limited...

VS

Spinachcat

Quote from: VengerSatanis;800283How do you want it to manifest?  As a full-length RPG?

My maniac ego says I want to kick Shadowrun's ass and get me some of that sweet, sweet cyber+magic money via my own IP.
 
My brain says I want to Kickstart a cool RPG and hopefully grow an actual play community that can support a Living Campaign that hopefully could produce a GM resource wiki and a dozen free downloadable adventures each year.  

Fortunately, my common sense says absolutely nothing happens until I finish a rough draft that's worth playtesting.


Quote from: VengerSatanis;800283I'd like to help out in some way, though my time is also limited...

Hell yeah!

Once I have a working rough draft, I will PM everyone on this thread and I'd love feedback from everyone. If I had to throw out an estimated TBA date, I would guesstimate Summer 2015.

VengerSatanis

Quote from: Spinachcat;800420My maniac ego says I want to kick Shadowrun's ass and get me some of that sweet, sweet cyber+magic money via my own IP.
 
My brain says I want to Kickstart a cool RPG and hopefully grow an actual play community that can support a Living Campaign that hopefully could produce a GM resource wiki and a dozen free downloadable adventures each year.  

Fortunately, my common sense says absolutely nothing happens until I finish a rough draft that's worth playtesting.




Hell yeah!

Once I have a working rough draft, I will PM everyone on this thread and I'd love feedback from everyone. If I had to throw out an estimated TBA date, I would guesstimate Summer 2015.

Yeah, I get twinges of maniacal ego from time to time.  Understood.  

Sounds good.  I'll be waiting on the playtest document.  Hope the writing goes smooth.

VS