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Author Topic: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!  (Read 11760 times)

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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2021, 06:54:13 PM »
Until people on a much larger scale wisen up to know to boycott garbage like this it will continue to happen over and over again.  The Hollyweird execs are literally so arrogant they think they can destroy all the IPs we love, crap on the fans and call us names publically, and indoctrinate us in their moral superiority and we will mindlessly continue to keep buying their crap anyhow.  So far, they have been correct.

  I do not see it changing.  I have no idea how the economics of hollywood work, but I am sure there is a whole lot of money shuffling more so than pure profit and loss.  I think they can lose money to a point to make stuff that is their vision or whatever they think they want to make, for whatever reasons.   I also really do not know how much control the creatives have, and have had the impression that a great deal of hollywood is art by committee, and people who seem like a big deal can be nobodies with one call or email.   I suspect it is dumbed down as the nation get dumber.  So honestly they might be making the correct call in terms of making themselves money over a long haul (fast and furious movies show me that there is a demand for things I have no interest in).  I think they know some ip's will get hate watched no matter how much they shit on them,   so oh well.

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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2021, 06:56:18 PM »
Now that it turned to be She-Maam and the Wokesters of the Universities they are creaming their pants about it. Of course the loonies are such a small fraction of the population it will tank.

She-Maam, thats great!

I miss the fat Kevin Smith.

I never "followed" Kevin Smith, but I really liked "Clerks" and "Chasing Amy" back in the day.

I understand the need by some to have "a public figure", but still dressing as a slacker from the '90s when you are over fifty is not healthy IMHO.

One thing I like about Tarantino is that I have no clue about his private life and his political beliefs. He could be gay and living with Tim Roth for what I know. What matters is that he pushes out a good (or at least interesting) movie after good movie (I liked a lot "Inglorious Basterds" and "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood", less "Django Unchained" and "The Hateful Eight"). And a good interview after a good interview. This is the only thing that matters.

  I did see a hilarious theory being pushed out by rageaholic that Kevin is not creatively bankrupt, but is simply starving to death because he has decided just not eating is the best way to not be fat.   I also got a huge chuckle at a guy screeching for people to grow up was wearing his dad's blazer with a ball cap turned around backwards. 

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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2021, 08:35:33 PM »
Now that it turned to be She-Maam and the Wokesters of the Universities they are creaming their pants about it. Of course the loonies are such a small fraction of the population it will tank.

She-Maam, thats great!

I miss the fat Kevin Smith.

I never "followed" Kevin Smith, but I really liked "Clerks" and "Chasing Amy" back in the day.

I understand the need by some to have "a public figure", but still dressing as a slacker from the '90s when you are over fifty is not healthy IMHO.

One thing I like about Tarantino is that I have no clue about his private life and his political beliefs. He could be gay and living with Tim Roth for what I know. What matters is that he pushes out a good (or at least interesting) movie after good movie (I liked a lot "Inglorious Basterds" and "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood", less "Django Unchained" and "The Hateful Eight"). And a good interview after a good interview. This is the only thing that matters.

  I did see a hilarious theory being pushed out by rageaholic that Kevin is not creatively bankrupt, but is simply starving to death because he has decided just not eating is the best way to not be fat.   I also got a huge chuckle at a guy screeching for people to grow up was wearing his dad's blazer with a ball cap turned around backwards.

George Lucas lost his marbles and got fat. Kevin Smith lost his marbles and went skinny.

What's really amusing/horrible is I watched that Rageaholic video after watching a Chubby Emu video about a woman who put herself in the hospital due to a severe and poorly managed fasting diet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQC_GDTNkQQ
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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2021, 08:39:19 PM »
I hate to hear that they treated Teela like that. I always saw her as a strong character, though I will admit they did a better job of showing that in the 2002 series. Still, I don't remember a whole lot from He-Man, plotwise. But even after all these years, I still pretty clearly remember the one episode dedicated almost entirely to Teela and Evil Lyn. Teela didn't whine about it. I mean, they both probably said "oh, no" or something at first, as people do when bad things happen; but they didn't wallow and got down to the business of surviving and getting out of that desert. Teela was the one who found the water, FFS, so I credit her with keeping the both of them alive. I know Evil Lyn contributed to the effort, too(probably), but for some reason the scene of Teela kicking the cactus open sticks out while other scenes in the same episode do not. And she was always strong without being horrible to other people - "You were dead? What about my survivors' guilt or whatever? Your son just died? Well, what about my feelings?" Ugh!

And someone said above that they killed off Orko, and nobody's going to comment on that? I believe part of his background is that he used to be super powerful and competent until something separated him from his people and turned him into a comic relief character. If they wanted Orko to be more than comic relief, which I totally understand, he already had the kind of background they could have done a lot with to make him into a more substantial character in his own right. The material was there. How fucking lazy. Just fuck.

Apparently Smith wanted to make people care about the comic relief character, then kill him off as a sucker punch.

https://youtu.be/KQb8qHMaNoM

The epitome of what I hate about killing characters. It wasn't done for the good of the story, it was done to shock fans. Which makes it not shocking, but stupid and demented.
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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2021, 08:57:08 PM »
Honestly I feel like the outrage is kind of counterproductive. We knew this was going to happen, it's inevitable. Things you may have enjoyed when you were younger are brought back as skinsuits to denigrate and humiliate you.

We're better off acknowledging that this is hateful anti-Male propaganda, that it's common and acceptable for billion dollar companies to make money denigrating Whites, Men, and other acceptable-to-hate targets. Denounce and move on.

(Of course, don't give Netflix or Hollywood any money, that should go without saying).


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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2021, 09:22:53 PM »
Honestly I feel like the outrage is kind of counterproductive. We knew this was going to happen, it's inevitable. Things you may have enjoyed when you were younger are brought back as skinsuits to denigrate and humiliate you.

We're better off acknowledging that this is hateful anti-Male propaganda, that it's common and acceptable for billion dollar companies to make money denigrating Whites, Men, and other acceptable-to-hate targets. Denounce and move on.

(Of course, don't give Netflix or Hollywood any money, that should go without saying).

Don’t even denounce—that gives them ‘toxic fans’ and ‘manbabies’ to rally against. Just ignore it altogether and point people to positive alternatives.

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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2021, 09:24:25 PM »
First episode, they lure all the old time fans like myself into thinking He-Man is back. From ep.2 onward ain’t worth watching. If that’s the course they gonna take for the remake, they might as well let it rest.
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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2021, 09:55:34 PM »
Honestly I feel like the outrage is kind of counterproductive. We knew this was going to happen, it's inevitable. Things you may have enjoyed when you were younger are brought back as skinsuits to denigrate and humiliate you.

We're better off acknowledging that this is hateful anti-Male propaganda, that it's common and acceptable for billion dollar companies to make money denigrating Whites, Men, and other acceptable-to-hate targets. Denounce and move on.

(Of course, don't give Netflix or Hollywood any money, that should go without saying).

Don’t even denounce—that gives them ‘toxic fans’ and ‘manbabies’ to rally against. Just ignore it altogether and point people to positive alternatives.

They're going to get the attention anyway. Look at all the fan reaction videos that have popped up in response.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=masters+of+the+universe+revelation

You don't even have to put in a filter. The outrage videos start with the second entry.
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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM »
It's interesting that people on both sides don't want to mention what's truly going on.

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.
A show where a butch Teela, her black gf (of course she's a tech whiz because Blacks are really good with technology if racists would only allow them to try) and strong, independant Evilyn is one more degenerate girl power show.
All of them have comically muscular arms. All of them talk, act and react like women pretending to be men.

Nobody wants that. The toys will gather dust. Children who are not brainwashed will want to watch gender appropriate stuff.

SJWs won't like you because you painstakingly lay out how you are not racist or misogynist for not liking the reboot.

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« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2021, 06:55:20 AM »
Until people on a much larger scale wisen up to know to boycott garbage like this it will continue to happen over and over again.  The Hollyweird execs are literally so arrogant they think they can destroy all the IPs we love, crap on the fans and call us names publically, and indoctrinate us in their moral superiority and we will mindlessly continue to keep buying their crap anyhow.  So far, they have been correct.

Uhm...no. Check "Star Wars"' toy sales after "The Last Jedi". Check them again after "The Mandalorian".
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« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2021, 07:14:16 AM »
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Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

That was not true in popculture for a long long time, at least not as iron rule. The rest... yeah of course comical butchiness won't sell well.
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« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2021, 01:57:28 PM »

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.
Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

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« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2021, 02:27:00 PM »
It's interesting that people on both sides don't want to mention what's truly going on.

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.
A show where a butch Teela, her black gf (of course she's a tech whiz because Blacks are really good with technology if racists would only allow them to try) and strong, independant Evilyn is one more degenerate girl power show.
All of them have comically muscular arms. All of them talk, act and react like women pretending to be men.

Nobody wants that. The toys will gather dust. Children who are not brainwashed will want to watch gender appropriate stuff.

SJWs won't like you because you painstakingly lay out how you are not racist or misogynist for not liking the reboot.

Please explain then the success of Wonder Woman in TV in the 70's and her continual existence as a comic  book.

Please explain then the success of Lara Croft, Alien/Aliens, Terminator and countless others.
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« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2021, 02:27:57 PM »

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.
Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

Correct, the Hero's Journey doesn't neccesitate a Male Protagonist, just a well written one and a well written tale.
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« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2021, 03:36:27 PM »

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.
Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

Correct, the Hero's Journey doesn't neccesitate a Male Protagonist, just a well written one and a well written tale.
While I agree with you and GeekyBugle, I will say that strdex###s does have a point, in that defining heroism as a series of physical endeavors (as was often the case in literature and myth) is primarily a male pursuit.  Despite the handful of cherry-picked historical cases that get worn thin by the modern woke crowd, the physical differences between men and women generally preclude women from legendary feats of combat or strength.  Hell, just yesterday I was watching TV with my wife and she commented after a commercial for "powerful woman beats up a dozen muscular 200# badasses movie part 17" that she was sick and tired of all these movies and TV shows presenting 120# waifs as if they can plow through a squad of Navy Seals, no problem.  My wife is a former college athlete, and even she knows that men are inherently advantaged in things like strength, muscle-mass, and physical pursuits.  So, depending on how you define "heroics", he's not totally wrong...