You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!

[Spinachcat]

The old saying, once someone tells you who they really are, believe them, is very relevant here.  Stop giving scorpions a ride across the river IMO.

Ancient wisdom keeps on being wise words to live by.

[Spinachcat]

I was "too old" for the He-Man cartoons when they came out, but I remember really enjoying the Dolph Lundgren movie. It was bizarre 80s camp that somehow really worked...at least, that's how I remember it.

Kevin Smith has always been an utterly worthless shitsack made of bitch and dumb, so I don't know why anyone would expect his take on MOTU to be anything other than a trannywreck.

[Spinachcat]

Regarding heroes, there's a reason why the Zero to Hero and Hero's Journey works and the modern day idiocy doesn't work.

The Greek playwrights understood that a Perfect Hero was a terrific character...but only for a Tragedy. The last 3 SJW Wars movies are a great example.

RestingBitchface can do everything perfect from Day 1. That's fine for Movie 1, as long as you foreshadow that something's not right. Meanwhile, WhinyMcAsshat can't do anything right, but is somehow deeply tied to her.

The true arc for these two should have been Rey falling to the Dark and Kylo rising into the Light, the perfect one becomes what she fought against and the failure redeems himself.

But that requires writers, producers and directors who are not cucks.

[strcondex18cha3]

Fighting and heroics is broadly the same and both are male domains.

They are not even remotely the same. Lots of villians fight, and not all heroes are fighters.

Are you linking to a video of Yoda? Who cares about getting pseudo-wisdom out of a modern franchise!?!

Also, I think you misunderstood, although you should, by now, assuming you're an adult man, understand how the basics work.
Men fight. Fighting can be done for the lousiest and wickedest reasons. Obviously.
But that's not what we're arguing here.
Fighting done under great personal risk for your family, friends, people, tribe and so forth is where a hero is made.

The Greek playwrights understood

They certainly understood that women are no heroes. In fact, they often warned about a society run by them (Lysistrata) or of powerful manipulaters like Medea.
In Greek mythology, the hero usually dies, which is what elevates him to his status.

[Kyle Aaron]

you should, by now, assuming you're an adult man, understand how the basics work.

I feel like this needs a Tim the Toolman grunt at the end.

[Ratman_tf]

Fighting and heroics is broadly the same and both are male domains.

They are not even remotely the same. Lots of villians fight, and not all heroes are fighters.

Are you linking to a video of Yoda? Who cares about getting pseudo-wisdom out of a modern franchise!?!

Also, I think you misunderstood, although you should, by now, assuming you're an adult man, understand how the basics work.
Men fight. Fighting can be done for the lousiest and wickedest reasons. Obviously.
But that's not what we're arguing here.
Fighting done under great personal risk for your family, friends, people, tribe and so forth is where a hero is made.

What we're arguing here, is the merits (or lack of merit) of a children's cartoon, on a website about pretending to be an elf.

The Greek playwrights understood

They certainly understood that women are no heroes. In fact, they often warned about a society run by them (Lysistrata) or of powerful manipulaters like Medea.
In Greek mythology, the hero usually dies, which is what elevates him to his status.

The greeks also thought highly of pederasty. I'd be cautious about taking any wisdom from them.

In any case. It's quite foolish to assign combat as the primary attribute of heroism. The province of young children who think their action figure is a hero because he can beat up all the other action figures.

*Fucking nested quotes. I sweartagawd.

[strcondex18cha3]

Greek were not fond of pederasty, that's propaganda from the same ilk of people that are now attacking our culture. The philosophical ideas behind this (for instance Plato's remark on some homos being most manly) and the historical facts (Thebes' 'Sacred Band', probably more of a tale)  are totally overblown. In reality, a pederast would have most likely been stoned and a woman larping as a man would have been laughed at or whipped.

Good to know that you're an evolution denier that can only think in childish metaphors. Star Wars this, toys that.

Heroism was always manly. Fighting is a man's vocation.
Denying this leads to all sorts of confusion and our hobby is but a part of that deplorable predicament.

[Ratman_tf]

Greek were not fond of pederasty, that's propaganda from the same ilk of people that are now attacking our culture. The philosophical ideas behind this (for instance Plato's remark on some homos being most manly) and the historical facts (Thebes' 'Sacred Band', probably more of a tale)  are totally overblown. In reality, a pederast would have most likely been stoned and a woman larping as a man would have been laughed at or whipped.

Sure, buddy.

Good to know that you're an evolution denier that can only think in childish metaphors. Star Wars this, toys that.

Says the guy with a video game character as his avatar, posing on an RPG web site. Somehow, I doubt you're as manly as your words.

Heroism was always manly. Fighting is a man's vocation.
Denying this leads to all sorts of confusion and our hobby is but a part of that deplorable predicament.

We've got an online Tyler Durden here, Furiosly bashing his keyboard.

[Ghostmaker]

Greek were not fond of pederasty, that's propaganda from the same ilk of people that are now attacking our culture. The philosophical ideas behind this (for instance Plato's remark on some homos being most manly) and the historical facts (Thebes' 'Sacred Band', probably more of a tale)  are totally overblown. In reality, a pederast would have most likely been stoned and a woman larping as a man would have been laughed at or whipped.

Good to know that you're an evolution denier that can only think in childish metaphors. Star Wars this, toys that.

Heroism was always manly. Fighting is a man's vocation.
Denying this leads to all sorts of confusion and our hobby is but a part of that deplorable predicament.

You need to share what you're smoking.

[Ghostmaker]

Greek were not fond of pederasty, that's propaganda from the same ilk of people that are now attacking our culture. The philosophical ideas behind this (for instance Plato's remark on some homos being most manly) and the historical facts (Thebes' 'Sacred Band', probably more of a tale)  are totally overblown. In reality, a pederast would have most likely been stoned and a woman larping as a man would have been laughed at or whipped.

Sure, buddy.

Good to know that you're an evolution denier that can only think in childish metaphors. Star Wars this, toys that.

Says the guy with a video game character as his avatar, posing on an RPG web site. Somehow, I doubt you're as manly as your words.

Heroism was always manly. Fighting is a man's vocation.
Denying this leads to all sorts of confusion and our hobby is but a part of that deplorable predicament.

We've got an online Tyler Durden here, Furiosly bashing his keyboard.

It's such a submoronic take that I'm wondering if I'm being trolled here.

Heroism and adventure are more than just whacking people with a club, after all. I bet he hates the 'guile hero' trope, too.

[Reckall]

Heroism was always manly. Fighting is a man's vocation.

I see that you don't have your definitions of "heroism" and "fighting" exactly right.

The simple act of childbirth gives me the creeps (if I imagine me doing that, to be clear; I'm not speaking about wanting to see the birth of your son like many fathers love to do). "Alien" is partially based on this exact male fear.

Any woman fights, especially for her kids. She fights the society, she fights poverty, she fights illnesses (*), she fights for a better future. And sometimes it turns out that she needs to fight physically. But thinking that "fighting = waving around a sword" is an extremely reductive view of the concept.

Grow up.

(*) During my life I sadly lost three friends still at a young age. One died of leukemia back in the late '90s, another of ASL a few years ago, and a dear friend and colleague died of cancer just before the pandemic. In all three cases I had no doubt that their girlfriends/wives fought along them, tooth and nail, until the very end.

[strcondex18cha3]

Our dispute doesn't seem to lead anywhere. So I'm out of this thread.

I hope I made myself clear regarding the fundamentally nonheroic (and non-martial) nature of women.
This doesn't mean there was no heroine in history, such rare creatures do exist, of course. Just like I have no problems whatsoever with anybody playing heroic broads.
Gaming with exceptions (which is actually nice) in mind is different from experiencing a hysterical collective larp leading to needless degeneracy, however.

You got the last word, doubtlessly to insert a nugget of wisdom from 'my little pony'.

[Ratman_tf]

Our dispute doesn't seem to lead anywhere. So I'm out of this thread.

A truly heroic retreat.

I hope I made myself clear regarding the fundamentally nonheroic (and non-martial) nature of women.
This doesn't mean there was no heroine in history, such rare creatures do exist, of course. Just like I have no problems whatsoever with anybody playing heroic broads.
Gaming with exceptions (which is actually nice) in mind is different from experiencing a hysterical collective larp leading to needless degeneracy, however.

You got the last word, doubtlessly to insert a nugget of wisdom from 'my little pony'.

I'm wondering what drew you to a He-Man and the Masters of the Universe thread in the first place.

[Manic Modron]

Our dispute doesn't seem to lead anywhere. So I'm out of this thread.

A truly heroic retreat.

Worthy of song.  I shall forever remember the day a real hero came into my life to show us the value of courage.

That day isn't today, but still.

[GeekyBugle]

Maybe, just maybe, it's going to be trully She-Maam and the Wolkesters of the Universities.

Maybe, just maybe Adam's replacement is the stronk, independent, stunning & brave womixn of colour.