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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #120 on: August 11, 2021, 10:01:00 AM »
Yes it is

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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #121 on: August 11, 2021, 08:12:15 PM »
I loved Jason of Star Command. I liked the Filmation Flash Gordon series. I even liked the original He-Man, for what it was.

(The 2002 reboot was really good. I need to finish it someday.)
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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #122 on: August 12, 2021, 06:11:31 AM »
MOTU Revelation drops out of Netflix top 10 after a few days. All the show had going for it was fleeting internet outrage.

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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #123 on: August 12, 2021, 09:21:01 AM »
MOTU Revelation drops out of Netflix top 10 after a few days. All the show had going for it was fleeting internet outrage.



It happened after only two or three days. It just dropped out of sight like a rock.

I tried to watch it with an open mind but I reached only half-way the third episode. It is just bad. The animation is aggressively bad. The characters are malformed (*), the dialogue is as banal as it gets... There are no backgrounds (Eternia does seem to be a barren planet sparsely dotted by places where the action happens), no sense of wonder... Even Mark Hamill phones in Skeletor as a lazy version of his Joker (and this is the first time I hear Hamill phone in a voice over job).

There are five more episodes planned. According to some rumbles Netflix is tinkering with them. We will see, but I not going to bother. Even with He-Man this would have been a bad He-Man show.

(*) Regarding the bad anatomies seen in the show, Netflix declared that "After examples like Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman the modern public wants to see realistic heroes!!" Again, they are lying through their teeth. The original show from the '80s employed both male and female athletes who acted out the various scenes, then rotoscoped the characters on their movements. There are making of videos on Youtube. That was as realistic (and advanced) as it gets.

Truth is, the original portrayals were used for the toy line. Due to the usual "rights brouhaha" that happens over the decades ("Star Trek" is a prime example), the rights to that toy line do not belong anymore to Mattel but to Universal. Mattel however still retains the rights to new shows and new toys. When this happens there is the "25% difference" rule: your new contents must be at least 25% different from the original. What "25%" of a creative issue means is usually up in the air. In this case they got around it by re-creating unrealistic anatomies and then trying to heavy gaslight the fans about the truth.
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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #124 on: August 12, 2021, 09:40:35 AM »
It happened after only two or three days. It just dropped out of sight like a rock.

I tried to watch it with an open mind but I reached only half-way the third episode. It is just bad. The animation is aggressively bad. The characters are malformed (*), the dialogue is as banal as it gets... There are no backgrounds (Eternia does seem to be a barren planet sparsely dotted by places where the action happens), no sense of wonder... Even Mark Hamill phones in Skeletor as a lazy version of his Joker (and this is the first time I hear Hamill phone in a voice over job).

There are five more episodes planned. According to some rumbles Netflix is tinkering with them. We will see, but I not going to bother. Even with He-Man this would have been a bad He-Man show.

(*) Regarding the bad anatomies seen in the show, Netflix declared that "After examples like Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman the modern public wants to see realistic heroes!!" Again, they are lying through their teeth. The original show from the '80s employed both male and female athletes who acted out the various scenes, then rotoscoped the characters on their movements. There are making of videos on Youtube. That was as realistic (and advanced) as it gets.
I gotta look those up. Might be fascinating to watch.

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Truth is, the original portrayals were used for the toy line. Due to the usual "rights brouhaha" that happens over the decades ("Star Trek" is a prime example), the rights to that toy line do not belong anymore to Mattel but to Universal. Mattel however still retains the rights to new shows and new toys. When this happens there is the "25% difference" rule: your new contents must be at least 25% different from the original. What "25%" of a creative issue means is usually up in the air. In this case they got around it by re-creating unrealistic anatomies and then trying to heavy gaslight the fans about the truth.
Fucking Paramount, man. They license out the Star Trek IP piecemeal, like one of those fucked up 'freemium' mobile or online games where you have to pay extra for more options.

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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #125 on: August 12, 2021, 10:43:28 AM »
Truth is, the original portrayals were used for the toy line. Due to the usual "rights brouhaha" that happens over the decades ("Star Trek" is a prime example), the rights to that toy line do not belong anymore to Mattel but to Universal. Mattel however still retains the rights to new shows and new toys. When this happens there is the "25% difference" rule: your new contents must be at least 25% different from the original. What "25%" of a creative issue means is usually up in the air. In this case they got around it by re-creating unrealistic anatomies and then trying to heavy gaslight the fans about the truth.

  I'm not so sure about that; Mattel has been able to recreate the original toys with added articulation for the Origins line, to the point that in screenshots, it's possible to mistake some of the Origins toys for the originals if they're positioned 'right'. There are some issues with the MotU rights, and rumors that Mattel sold them off in the mid-90s but has a license that expires in a couple of years. The original messiness goes back to the independence of the Filmation cartoon, which had surprising freedom from Mattel (it's why Stinkor never showed up in that series) and rights over their own characters--Orko was only allowed to show up as a toy and in the mini-comics due to special arrangements with Filmation, and his original toy even has a Copyright Filmation stamp on it.

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« Reply #126 on: August 12, 2021, 11:09:21 AM »
Those curious about how Netflix/Mattel acted can start from this mini-documentary by Midnight's Edge:

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« Reply #127 on: August 12, 2021, 11:26:23 AM »
It was so bad that even the progressives in my one gaming group thought it was shit.

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« Reply #128 on: August 16, 2021, 09:52:03 PM »
Just saw a review on Youtube by someone with a Scottish accent.

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This one is funny and all too true. WARNING: has swearing and other content that's not workplace safe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcMTNDTUrBo
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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #129 on: August 17, 2021, 05:42:36 AM »
Just saw a review on Youtube by someone with a Scottish accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcMTNDTUrBo

The Critical Drinker. He is always funny, intelligent and as anti-Woke as it gets ;D His YT channel is full of gems.
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« Reply #130 on: August 17, 2021, 10:09:31 PM »
Just saw a review on Youtube by someone with a Scottish accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcMTNDTUrBo

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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #131 on: August 18, 2021, 08:12:53 AM »
Would ya stop saying Netflix is gaslighting? They’re lying, plain and simple. Gaslighting is an abuse tactic where an abuser tries to convince someone they’re insane.

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Re: You better not dislike Kevin Smith's MotU Revelation at RPG.Net!
« Reply #132 on: August 18, 2021, 08:35:53 AM »
Would ya stop saying Netflix is gaslighting? They’re lying, plain and simple. Gaslighting is an abuse tactic where an abuser tries to convince someone they’re insane.

"Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse where a person or group makes someone question their sanity, perception of reality, or memories."


Netflix is lying and gaslighting (I guess that gaslighting implies lying). I think that this is a case of "perception of reality". Our new design is more realistic! You can take that to the bank!

In the documentary I linked they interview Arnold Schwarzenegger about "good bodybuilding and bad bodybuilding" Schwarzenegger not only appears really angry about bad bodybuilders but he also explains why their practices are incredibly unhealthy and dangerous. White the interview is unrelated to MOTU, they show examples of both male and female bad bodybuilders - which are as lovecraftian as it gets - and the new MOTU does seem rotoscoped on those.

The most interesting point that Schwarzenegger makes about bad bodybuilders is how their movements become extremely limited. Your hypertrophic body becomes your prison. Again, he was not speaking about MOTU, but, if we accept his expert opinion, you can't have characters based on bad bodybuilders who tumble and jump and pirouette like a D&D fighter with DEX 18. The overall result is that there is no way in hell that MOTU:R characters are "realistic".

Sorry, Netflix. My perception of reality... well, I can't claim that it is perfect, but it was not changed by you.
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« Reply #133 on: August 18, 2021, 09:05:37 AM »
  Body building and *realism* even when concerning the freedom crushing spawn of a Nazi,  is relative.   They are LOADED with drugs, male and female and nothing they do in so far as muscle mass/size/overall look is realistic at all.  So attempting to say Teela is *realistic* in a warrior woman sense is fucktarded.  Now if we are going to say loaded on steroids = realistic, I guess maybe?  Eternia must have a pharmacy somewhere.

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« Reply #134 on: August 18, 2021, 09:25:31 AM »
  Body building and *realism* even when concerning the freedom crushing spawn of a Nazi,  is relative.   They are LOADED with drugs, male and female and nothing they do in so far as muscle mass/size/overall look is realistic at all.  So attempting to say Teela is *realistic* in a warrior woman sense is fucktarded.  Now if we are going to say loaded on steroids = realistic, I guess maybe?  Eternia must have a pharmacy somewhere.
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