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Greetings!

Here is an interesting analysis of CHAZ in Seattle. Pundit! Seattle 2020 is getting even more crazy! The Mayor of Seattle supports these Communits Antifa rebels. Fucking amazing! Morons are seeking to overthrow our entire society and culture.

[video=youtube;wozB6-xUlPU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wozB6-xUlPU[/youtube]

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Ha ha, Ben Shapiro is having fun with this one, and with good reason. :D

Rule of thumb: If reality is trending towards cyberpunk it will.

I've been waiting for cyberpunk-with-no-cyber my whole life.

Banana Republic LARP incoming!

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1133719Rule of thumb: If reality is trending towards cyberpunk it will.

Except it's not, it's trending towards Soypunk, all of the bad things from Cyberpunk and none of the cool things.

Quote from: tenbones;1133733I've been waiting for cyberpunk-with-no-cyber my whole life.

Banana Republic LARP incoming!

Well, they already burned all the money and are asking for more other people's money, plus they already have a warlord as the supreme leader...

I'm thinking this will work out as a plus for Trump and conservatives in general... The blind masses are being forced to confront the ugly reality about Antifart and democrats in general.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133737Except it's not, it's trending towards Soypunk, all of the bad things from Cyberpunk and none of the cool things.

That's even more cyberpunky really.

Looks like those lefties are going hard on that power fantasy.

The peacefully-challenged citizens of the people's republic of chaz

[video=youtube;KafIdOk8bLs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KafIdOk8bLs[/youtube]

"Cyberpunk 2020 was supposed to be a game, not a plan of action." - Mike Pondsmith

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133758The peacefully-challenged citizens of the people's republic of chaz

[video=youtube;KafIdOk8bLs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KafIdOk8bLs[/youtube]

Greetings!

Oh geesus. Great video! Tucker Carlson is always spot on, and humorous as well. I know he is also serious. This whole "CHAZ" thing is absolutely ridiculous, and shameful at the same time.

It is outright rebellion.

I recall the words and thoughts of our President Abraham Lincoln. The Union must be maintained. The Union must prevail. Rebels must be crushed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings!

Here is a video of Laura Ingram analyzing "CHAZ" and the Leftist efforts to bring chaos to our nation, and seeking to destroy our culture, and overthrow our country.

[video=youtube;gQfvs18n3ZA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQfvs18n3ZA&feature=emb_rel_end[/youtube]

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings!

More sharp analysis from Tucker Carlson, as well as exposure of Liberal lies and propaganda.

[video=youtube;yWsyNB95ljY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWsyNB95ljY[/youtube]

Exposure also of how unnecessary the Lockdowns were, and how Liberals have exploited the Virus Health Crisis to promote chaos and a power grab for themselves--fucking Communist thugs.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: jeff37923;1133778"Cyberpunk 2020 was supposed to be a game, not a plan of action." - Mike Pondsmith

OK. Did Maximum Mike say that, or are you just being ironic?

Funny as hell either way. :D

Quote from: RandyB;1133813OK. Did Maximum Mike say that, or are you just being ironic?

Funny as hell either way. :D

It popped up on my R. Talsorian Games feed, so I'm inclined to think that he did. It could be a marketing NPC, but I doubt it.

Maybe the new talking points can be "protests of peace" since that other legendary peaceful faith has worn the moniker a bit thin.

Quote from: jeff37923;1133817It popped up on my R. Talsorian Games feed, so I'm inclined to think that he did. It could be a marketing NPC, but I doubt it.

Considering where you saw it, and Maximum Mike's known personality, I'd call it authentic.

And funny as hell. :D

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133737Except it's not, it's trending towards Soypunk, all of the bad things from Cyberpunk and none of the cool things.

Soypunk lasts until someone notices 'Hey, they don't have guns... and they're kinda skinny, probably can't fight worth a damn'.

Which is exactly why CHAZ now has it's first 'warlord'.

Quote from: jeff37923;1133817It popped up on my R. Talsorian Games feed, so I'm inclined to think that he did. It could be a marketing NPC, but I doubt it.

Okay, now I need a screencap of it, I want to put it on a T-Shirt

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133861Okay, now I need a screencap of it, I want to put it on a T-Shirt

You, sir, are a genius.

I'll take two.

Quote from: SHARK;1133649Greetings!

Here is an interesting analysis of CHAZ in Seattle. Pundit! Seattle 2020 is getting even more crazy! The Mayor of Seattle supports these Communits Antifa rebels. Fucking amazing! Morons are seeking to overthrow our entire society and culture.

[video=youtube;wozB6-xUlPU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wozB6-xUlPU[/youtube]

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

There is zero chance this turns out well.  I want to say they deserve this because they voted these idiots into office, but there are bound to be some residents and business owners who are just caught up in this madness.

So if they're no longer part of the US, does that mean they're literal traitors occupying US territory..? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty sure the US Army is within its rights to run some tanks in their to clean out the insurgents.







Of course we all know they're just LARPing fucktards who think this is actually going somewhere good...

Quote from: Brad;1133928So if they're no longer part of the US, does that mean they're literal traitors occupying US territory..? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty sure the US Army is within its rights to run some tanks in their to clean out the insurgents.

I say let them keep it. Evacuate the people that wanna leave and let them stay there. In fact help them secure the area with 10-foot concrete walls so they can't leave.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133737Except it's not, it's trending towards Soypunk, all of the bad things from Cyberpunk and none of the cool things.

William Gibson is rolling in his grave and the sex robot waifu is rolling around on top of him.

Also, Tucker Carlson is unironically based as fuck and I've grown to love watching his show recently.

At first, I wanted Trump to crush this dangerous idiocy, but now I want him to stay far away and lob incendiary tweets to get Democrats and the MSM to defend Chazistan as it continues to descend into lunacy. The Trump TV commercials come October are going to be meme-tastic and probably won't involve much more than showing footage of leftist insanity.

The Salty Cracker YT channel has been having fun with the CHAZ.

[video=youtube;TIZF7QS_sDU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIZF7QS_sDU[/youtube]

[video=youtube;1eqE5FV-2Ek]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eqE5FV-2Ek[/youtube]

[video=youtube;6MOMMZzWaEI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MOMMZzWaEI[/youtube]

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133861Okay, now I need a screencap of it, I want to put it on a T-Shirt

Quote from: RandyB;1133874You, sir, are a genius.

I'll take two.

And of course, I can't find the damn thing now to screen capture......Fuck you, Facebook.....

 

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1133939William Gibson is rolling in his grave and the sex robot waifu is rolling around on top of him.

William Gibson isn't dead yet and has a real human female as a wife.

(https://i.imgur.com/KamVduJ.jpg)

I do wonder how that whole thing plays out long term.  If they can keep their messaging to BLM, they could go on forever, as BLM has funding that would make a clinton blush.  Running out of stuff is the only reason they are breaking up, because the local government is willing to let them go on forever.   I have doubts about the inhabitants doing much violent or otherwise as they are so cannibus saturated at this point, not much is going to happen.   I do wonder if agitators show up of any flavor what happens then.  I have a feeling should the facists show up, there will be multiple calls to the police.

Quote from: oggsmash;1133962I do wonder how that whole thing plays out long term.  If they can keep their messaging to BLM, they could go on forever, as BLM has funding that would make a clinton blush.  Running out of stuff is the only reason they are breaking up, because the local government is willing to let them go on forever.   I have doubts about the inhabitants doing much violent or otherwise as they are so cannibus saturated at this point, not much is going to happen.   I do wonder if agitators show up of any flavor what happens then.  I have a feeling should the facists show up, there will be multiple calls to the police.

The fascists are in charge of Chazasistan.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133986The fascists are in charge of Chazasistan.

   I am not so sure about that, I think most of them are so baked at this point they are barely in charge of finding a porta john and munchies.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133737Except it's not, it's trending towards Soypunk, all of the bad things from Cyberpunk and none of the cool things.

The Future is Dork and Soyberpunk...

Quote from: jeff37923;1133778"Cyberpunk 2020 was supposed to be a game, not a plan of action." - Mike Pondsmith

I actually wouldn't be surprised if he did say that.

Quote from: RandyB;1133813OK. Did Maximum Mike say that, or are you just being ironic?

Funny as hell either way. :D

Quote from: jeff37923;1133817It popped up on my R. Talsorian Games feed, so I'm inclined to think that he did. It could be a marketing NPC, but I doubt it.

I actually wrote the thing above before reading this, LMAO

We truly are living the soy-based Cyberpunk times. :D

Soy-based supplements were even common in most Cyberpunk supplements. Gotta have our soycaf to get up in the morning.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1133842Soypunk lasts until someone notices 'Hey, they don't have guns... and they're kinda skinny, probably can't fight worth a damn'.

Which is exactly why CHAZ now has it's first 'warlord'.

We're getting our first gang-controlled territories. We're living in "interesting times" already. We just need our chrome!

Quote from: VisionStorm;1133998Soyberpunk

Thanks, I hate it. :D

Quote from: oggsmash;1133996I am not so sure about that, I think most of them are so baked at this point they are barely in charge of finding a porta john and munchies.

You forget about the warlord and his gang of thugs.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1134001You forget about the warlord and his gang of thugs.

I'm having trouble finding reliable sources on that part.

Greetings!

I saw an interview last night with the Seattle Chief of Police--a Black woman, and democrat. She said that there were many rapes, assault, and other violence in CHAZ that the police are simply unable to respond to.

MANY RAPES, ASSAULTS, AND VIOLENCE! MAYHEM GOING ON IN CHAZ.

Meanwhile, the Liberal, Democrat Mayor of Seattle, and the Democrat State Governor support this rebellion.

I think people will remember these events in the elections in November.

More wonderful examples of how Communism fails. And how fucking retarded cock-sucking stupid fucking Liberals are. THEY SUPPORT REBELLION TO OUR UNION!

Fuck the Liberals. Fuck the Democrats. The Communist, hippy rebel scum are enemies to our Republic, our culture, and our way of life. We need to unite against them, my friends.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1134010Greetings!

I saw an interview last night with the Seattle Chief of Police--a Black woman, and democrat. She said that there were many rapes, assault, and other violence in CHAZ that the police are simply unable to respond to.

MANY RAPES, ASSAULTS, AND VIOLENCE! MAYHEM GOING ON IN CHAZ.

Meanwhile, the Liberal, Democrat Mayor of Seattle, and the Democrat State Governor support this rebellion.

I think people will remember these events in the elections in November.

More wonderful examples of how Communism fails. And how fucking retarded cock-sucking stupid fucking Liberals are. THEY SUPPORT REBELLION TO OUR UNION!

Fuck the Liberals. Fuck the Democrats. The Communist, hippy rebel scum are enemies to our Republic, our culture, and our way of life. We need to unite against them, my friends.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Can you link to this interview? I read something similar on one site and then read conflicting statements including, "The mayor and chief Best said Thursday afternoon that there are no documented reports to back up the stories. The mayor said there has been "some vandalism," and "a fight," but nothing serious has been documented. The department had "heard anecdotally" about the reports," Best said."

Quote from: HappyDaze;1134017Can you link to this interview? I read something similar on one site and then read conflicting statements including, "The mayor and chief Best said Thursday afternoon that there are no documented reports to back up the stories. The mayor said there has been "some vandalism," and "a fight," but nothing serious has been documented. The department had "heard anecdotally" about the reports," Best said."

Greetings!

Hmmm. Well, now I wish I could, but it was in the news feed. I was reading numerous interviews, watching videos, and the Black woman Police Chief of Seattle was one of them, where she talked about Rapes, Assaults, and Violence going on. At the time I was watching them, I wasn't thinking of posting about them here, unfortunately. But it was there. I'm not making fake shit up, just reporting what I honestly saw and heard.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1134018Greetings!

Hmmm. Well, now I wish I could, but it was in the news feed. I was reading numerous interviews, watching videos, and the Black woman Police Chief of Seattle was one of them, where she talked about Rapes, Assaults, and Violence going on. At the time I was watching them, I wasn't thinking of posting about them here, unfortunately. But it was there. I'm not making fake shit up, just reporting what I honestly saw and heard.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Not accusing anyone of making it up, it's just that there are reports of a lot of doctored photos, fake reports, and other misdirection about this matter, so I prefer to look over as many of the sources with my own eyes and/or ears as I can. It's nothing personal against you.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1133842Soypunk lasts until someone notices 'Hey, they don't have guns... and they're kinda skinny, probably can't fight worth a damn'.

Quote from: Brad;1133928So if they're no longer part of the US, does that mean they're literal traitors occupying US territory..? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty sure the US Army is within its rights to run some tanks in their to clean out the insurgents.

While it might make them less cool as cyberpunk, I think not using guns is a good thing as far as sanity and loss of life is concerned. (I understand there are gun-armed people in CHAZ currently, but I don't think they used guns to hold off the police.)

The shift is curious to me. In recent decades, standoffs with the government were mostly by rural conservatives with guns like the 2016 Malheur Refuge occupation or the 1993 Waco siege. The last urban siege that springs to mind was the 1985 MOVE siege in Philadelphia.

Regardless of whether the occupiers are armed with guns or not, the government always has more than enough military resources to force them out. The issue is trying to resolve it with minimal loss of life. In the case of the MOVE siege who were black liberation activists, the police opted to just drop bombs on them -- but in the Waco and Malheur cases, despite the forces being armed, the government used less force and instead undertook a siege lasting weeks.

Here, with no lethal force being threatened against police, I have hope that it will be resolved more peacefully.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1134019Not accusing anyone of making it up, it's just that there are reports of a lot of doctored photos, fake reports, and other misdirection about this matter, so I prefer to look over as many of the sources with my own eyes and/or ears as I can. It's nothing personal against you.

Greetings!

Thank you, my friend. I wish I could provide the link. As to sources or "doctoring" the interview I saw was actually with the Seattle Police Chief, speaking. She was also commenting about police reaction times to 911 calls, going from 5 minutes, to over 18 minutes. Maybe that can also help you track the interview down.

Personally, I am appalled at the descent into absolute anarchy, and the Liberal Democrats support of these actions of rebellion. It is absolutely disgusting, and in my view, treasonous. Just a mere few weeks ago, the fucking Liberals were crying about armed militia showing up at government buildings in protest of the lockdowns--with the Liberal politicians crying over and over about how "No one is above the Law" and wagging their fingers and clucking their tongues about anti-lockdown protesters.

But when Communist Antifa rebels take over 6 square blocks of a major US city, and promote anarchy, extortion, rape and mayhem in the streets--somehow, for the Liberal Democrats, such armed and violent rebellion and anarchy is all entirely acceptable and good.

I hope every American sees and remembers how the Liberal Democrats are fucking traitors to our country, and how yes, they really do fucking support Communism, Anarchy, and Rebellion.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: jeff37923;1133960William Gibson isn't dead yet and has a real human female as a wife.

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But yeah, CHAZ is already imploding and it's not even been a full week

Quote from: SHARK;1134022Greetings!

Thank you, my friend. I wish I could provide the link. As to sources or "doctoring" the interview I saw was actually with the Seattle Police Chief, speaking. She was also commenting about police reaction times to 911 calls, going from 5 minutes, to over 18 minutes. Maybe that can also help you track the interview down.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/best-spd-response-times-have-tripled-since-loss-of-east-precinct/ar-BB15mgoR

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1271291958296604675

Andy Ngo is an American hero

Greetings!

[video]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/atlanta-police-chief-resigns-after-law-enforcement-fatally-shoots-black-man/ar-BB15rm68?ocid=spartanntp[/youtube]

Geesus. You see here, in this article by the Washington Post. The Black man involved in the incident was shot and killed by the Police because he was a dangerous criminal. The Black man was *parked* and sleeping in the drive thru of the local Wendy's Restaurant. Upon being engaged and questioned by the Police--doing their duty--the Black man wrestled with the Police officers, and SIEZED ONE OF THE OFFICER'S TAZERS, which is a weapon, and then sought to flee from the officers and escape. In the pursuit, the Black criminal turns and faces a chasing Police officer, and prepares to shoot him with the tazer.

Somehow him being shot and killed is a surprise? WTF is wrong with these politicians? These White and Black LIBERAL DEMOCRAT politicians somehow think this is all a tragedy, and the Police are at fault. Fucking pathetic. Why do Liberals think it is ok for Black criminals to run amok in society, and do whatever the fuck they want? They can loot, assault, rape, murder, commit arson, threaten people and police--and somehow, everyone is supposed to accept that lawless and rebellious and criminal behavior?

The Liberal news article goes on to quote the various politicians--all in support of criminals, and against the Police--and then loads the cock-juice into your mouth that the Black criminal was "Killed for sleeping.":mad:

Geesus, you cock-sucking fucking morons, the Black man was NOT killed for fucking sleeping! He was killed for resisting arrest, assaulting a Police officer, and taking a Police Tazer away from an officer, and attempting to flee Law Enforcement Officers in pursuit. THAT is why he was shot and fucking killed. NOT for fucking sleeping! But you see how the fucking Liberal Media wants to brainwash everyone and shape their own fucked up, shitty narrative of Black victimhood and Police being racists and evil monsters?

If the fucker had been a WHITE MAN, no one would even blink at this case.

And Liberals *WONDER* why Conservatives resist them, and believe they are fucking morons?

This is just a sliver of what separates the world views and culture between Conservatives and Liberals.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1134025https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/best-spd-response-times-have-tripled-since-loss-of-east-precinct/ar-BB15mgoR

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1271291958296604675

Greetings!

Thank you my friend! Good finds! Yes, you see what the Black woman Police Chief of Seattle admitted is going on inside CHAZ? Right there, my friend! Fucking mayhem and anarchy!

Fucking amazing and so pathetic. Oh my god I need to light up my tobacco pipe--I smoke a blend from my local Tobaccanist--and pour me a drink. I think I will pour some Irish Cream, over the rocks. Goddamn these fucking rebels, morons, and traitors piss me off.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1134031Greetings!

[video]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/atlanta-police-chief-resigns-after-law-enforcement-fatally-shoots-black-man/ar-BB15rm68?ocid=spartanntp[/youtube]

Geesus. You see here, in this article by the Washington Post. The Black man involved in the incident was shot and killed by the Police because he was a dangerous criminal. The Black man was *parked* and sleeping in the drive thru of the local Wendy's Restaurant. Upon being engaged and questioned by the Police--doing their duty--the Black man wrestled with the Police officers, and SIEZED ONE OF THE OFFICER'S TAZERS, which is a weapon, and then sought to flee from the officers and escape. In the pursuit, the Black criminal turns and faces a chasing Police officer, and prepares to shoot him with the tazer.

Somehow him being shot and killed is a surprise? WTF is wrong with these politicians? These White and Black LIBERAL DEMOCRAT politicians somehow think this is all a tragedy, and the Police are at fault. Fucking pathetic. Why do Liberals think it is ok for Black criminals to run amok in society, and do whatever the fuck they want? They can loot, assault, rape, murder, commit arson, threaten people and police--and somehow, everyone is supposed to accept that lawless and rebellious and criminal behavior?

The Liberal news article goes on to quote the various politicians--all in support of criminals, and against the Police--and then loads the cock-juice into your mouth that the Black criminal was "Killed for sleeping.":mad:

Geesus, you cock-sucking fucking morons, the Black man was NOT killed for fucking sleeping! He was killed for resisting arrest, assaulting a Police officer, and taking a Police Tazer away from an officer, and attempting to flee Law Enforcement Officers in pursuit. THAT is why he was shot and fucking killed. NOT for fucking sleeping! But you see how the fucking Liberal Media wants to brainwash everyone and shape their own fucked up, shitty narrative of Black victimhood and Police being racists and evil monsters?

If the fucker had been a WHITE MAN, no one would even blink at this case.

And Liberals *WONDER* why Conservatives resist them, and believe they are fucking morons?

This is just a sliver of what separates the world views and culture between Conservatives and Liberals.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Because they are racists and really think blacks can't do better, therefore it's wrong to ask from them the same you'd ask from anyone else.

Fuckers see Latinos in the same way, which is why when Trump says Maras are animals they jump to "he's calling all Latinos animals!". No, not all Salvadoreans are Maras, just like not all Mexicans are with the Cartels or all gringos are this bigoted.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1134034Because they are racists and really think blacks can't do better, therefore it's wrong to ask from them the same you'd ask from anyone else.

Fuckers see Latinos in the same way, which is why when Trump says Maras are animals they jump to "he's calling all Latinos animals!". No, not all Salvadoreans are Maras, just like not all Mexicans are with the Cartels or all gringos are this bigoted.

Greetings!

Exactly right, Hermano! I have always believed that a huge aspect and evidence of equality and an absence of racist attitude, is simply treating everyone fairly, and holding them to the same standards that we hold for ourselves. That's just equality, justice, and common sense law and order. Basic respect for everyone's rights and dignity, and expecting lawful, respectful behavior, and obedience to law enforcement officers. Everyone. I don't care what colour you are, or where you come from. Last time I checked, these standards and expectations are the same, whether you are in the United States, Britain, Mexico, India, or most any civilized country anywhere.

My god, Geeky, the fucking nonsense from these Liberals makes me want to bash my head into a brick wall. And these cock-sucking Liberals *wonder* "Why is there such a cultural divide and animosity between us and conservatives?" I hear Liberals cry all the time about why we are so divided and hostile. Well, geesus, pay the fuck attention to what you believe in, what you support, and your whole fucked up world view, you know?

It's because Liberals are cock-sucking, drugged up Communist fucktards that believe in some evil, twisted fucking utopianism, where everyone is disarmed, and must kneel to the globalist superstate.

It makes me laugh when the liberals whine, "Well, why don't Conservatives want to live with us in our Liberal, diverse urban shitholes?"

Fucking amazing!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Here's a short clip of the Seattle Police Chief discussing the rapes and violence in CHAZ.

[video=youtube;Ld8zaHkOIo4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld8zaHkOIo4&has_verified=1[/youtube]

Quote from: Spinachcat;1134042Here's a short clip of the Seattle Police Chief discussing the rapes and violence in CHAZ.

[video=youtube;Ld8zaHkOIo4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld8zaHkOIo4&has_verified=1[/youtube]

Greetings!

That's right, my friend! And the Liberals really expect America to vote them into power in November??? *laughing*

Hey, did you get my PM to you?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1134041Greetings!

Exactly right, Hermano! I have always believed that a huge aspect and evidence of equality and an absence of racist attitude, is simply treating everyone fairly, and holding them to the same standards that we hold for ourselves. That's just equality, justice, and common sense law and order. Basic respect for everyone's rights and dignity, and expecting lawful, respectful behavior, and obedience to law enforcement officers. Everyone. I don't care what colour you are, or where you come from. Last time I checked, these standards and expectations are the same, whether you are in the United States, Britain, Mexico, India, or most any civilized country anywhere.

My god, Geeky, the fucking nonsense from these Liberals makes me want to bash my head into a brick wall. And these cock-sucking Liberals *wonder* "Why is there such a cultural divide and animosity between us and conservatives?" I hear Liberals cry all the time about why we are so divided and hostile. Well, geesus, pay the fuck attention to what you believe in, what you support, and your whole fucked up world view, you know?

It's because Liberals are cock-sucking, drugged up Communist fucktards that believe in some evil, twisted fucking utopianism, where everyone is disarmed, and must kneel to the globalist superstate.

It makes me laugh when the liberals whine, "Well, why don't Conservatives want to live with us in our Liberal, diverse urban shitholes?"

Fucking amazing!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings brother.

These fucktards have of Liberal what I have of astronaut, which is to say zero. Sadly they co-opted the label and now it's lost, which is why I now call myself a minarchist.

Treating people as people is just what non bigots do, but these ass-wipes pretend to be the moral bastions while advocating and demanding for different standards based on race, sex, etc. and fucking segregation.

I feel you, I too feel the urge to bash my head onto a brick wall just to stop hearing their stupidity.

You know... This stuff more and more is starting to sound exactly like those anti-communist or Sci-Fi warnings of the 50s and 60s. That theyd try to instigate unrest and rebellion under cover of some cause or event. All to weaken a country so the ones behind it can sweep in and strike.

Or some sort of sci-fi "plague of madness" and considering how frighteningly effective these cultists are at converting people who were nice and normal just a day ago...

Quote from: SHARK;1134043Greetings!

That's right, my friend! And the Liberals really expect America to vote them into power in November??? *laughing*

Hey, did you get my PM to you?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I found this video very interesting and could explain a lot......


[video=youtube;tSXkDUctBdY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSXkDUctBdY[/youtube]

Quote from: SHARK;1134043That's right, my friend! And the Liberals really expect America to vote them into power in November *laughing*

No, they expect to use ballot harvesting, mail-in vote fraud, dead people and illegals voting and every other type of fraud they can think of to make the votes of non-Leftists irrelevant.

They KNOW they can't win a fair election, that's why they've been doing everything in their power to rig the upcoming elections in their favor.

Quote from: jhkim;1134020While it might make them less cool as cyberpunk, I think not using guns is a good thing as far as sanity and loss of life is concerned. (I understand there are gun-armed people in CHAZ currently, but I don't think they used guns to hold off the police.)

The shift is curious to me. In recent decades, standoffs with the government were mostly by rural conservatives with guns like the 2016 Malheur Refuge occupation or the 1993 Waco siege. The last urban siege that springs to mind was the 1985 MOVE siege in Philadelphia.

Regardless of whether the occupiers are armed with guns or not, the government always has more than enough military resources to force them out. The issue is trying to resolve it with minimal loss of life. In the case of the MOVE siege who were black liberation activists, the police opted to just drop bombs on them -- but in the Waco and Malheur cases, despite the forces being armed, the government used less force and instead undertook a siege lasting weeks.

Here, with no lethal force being threatened against police, I have hope that it will be resolved more peacefully.

   Not the best use of context.   You leave out a whole bunch of differences.  Didnt Philly drop the bomb in MOVE?  I know it came from a police helicopter, not a federal one.  And the Waco thing WAS NOT peaceful.  The ATF was raiding them, a NO KNOCK WARRANT if you will, and got their shit pushed in and retreated.   The FBI had ZERO desire to keep the massive black eye they had just sustained (thanks to the ATF serving another NO KNOCK WARRANT in Ruby Ridge) in the disaster killing a woman holding a baby in Idaho.   In the end.....the Waco complex magically caught fire and burned to the ground, how is widely disputed to this day even by members of the FBI.  But the whole reason there was ANY negotiation was because the ATF used to screw up so much and the FBI often blundered in behind them.  The guys on the malhauer ridge, well the FBI by that time, especially when no one was already shot or killed probably preferred to not get endless bad press for killing wantonly.   But I like how you make it seem like the Feds handled the left wing one way and the right wing another.   Maybe you should go tally up opposing body counts, since that is your determination for how "bad" something went?


  Edited to add:  Though in fairness, whatever is going on in Seattle is nothing close to that, and could be cleaned up with a bit of tear gas and officers with shields and sticks.  I just think the Mayor rather fantasize about living in the 60's.   I suspect it will peter out right around the boosted unemployment benefits go away July 30.

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[video]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/atlanta-officer-fired-video-released-in-shooting-of-rayshard-brooks-its-got-to-be-the-culture/ar-BB15sRRQ?ocid=spartanntp[/youtube]

Geesus. More Liberal stupidity and rebellion. This article and video is also about the recent case in Atlanta, GA. A follow-up article, by USA Today. Notice how the lawyers and politicians like to downplay the crimes and threat--of resisting arrest, fighting against Police officers, seizing and taking a TAZER away from an officer, attempting to fire the TAZER against an officer. The politicians, the NAACP, and the media, as well as the Black activists--they don't believe any of that, all of that--justifies the use of deadly force! Do you see how fucking racist and delusional these fucking people are? That's right, America. You should accept that Black criminals can run amok and do whatever the fuck they want.

Oh, and of course, burning a Wendy's Restaurant to the ground. That's not unlawful, criminal and violent behavior either, right? Fuck the owner of the Wendy's Restaurant. Fuck the employees. Fuck the local community. Just fuck America, and you should swallow it all, and you need to apologize and get on your knees.

Fucking bullshit.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I think a bigger problem than bad police policy or police brutality is going to be no police.  I know several who are taking a chunk of their 401k's (CARES act allows a large penalty free withdrawal) and quitting.  Financing a different future and moving on down the road.     What could go wrong with a mass exodus?

Quote from: jeff37923;1134089I found this video very interesting and could explain a lot......


[video=youtube;tSXkDUctBdY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSXkDUctBdY[/youtube]

Greetings!

Fuck, Jeff! Joel Patrick is fucking cool, man. Country Redneck, a pariot, pro-guns, and the man can sing, too! Awesome song he has there. His commentary and analysis, geesus. So fucking right, you know? I love that video. Exposes "Black Lives Matter" organization as the frauds they are. Just another cock-sucking Communist fucking group supporting the Liberal Democrats.

"Legendary Black Redneck"! Fuck yeah, man! I listened again to the song. That young Black man is so spot on. Makes me fucking PROUD he is BLACK, COUNTRY, AMERICAN, and yes, RIGHT! Wave that red, white and blue, forever! Goddamn, Jeff. Makes me want to pour some drinks, light up some cigars, and salute! Joel Patrick is just the kind of good patriots we need!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: oggsmash;1134110I think a bigger problem than bad police policy or police brutality is going to be no police.  I know several who are taking a chunk of their 401k's (CARES act allows a large penalty free withdrawal) and quitting.  Financing a different future and moving on down the road.     What could go wrong with a mass exodus?

Greetings!

That's right, Ogg! I'd imagine *many* police are soon going to be saying, "Fuck It" and resign, and go do something else. I wouldn't blame them. Let the criminals, and the scum, and the rebels just take the fuck over, right? Oh my god, Ogg. Our country is going into the fucking shitter, my friend, in weeks. Fucking amazing, in the worst way.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Chris24601;1134101No, they expect to use ballot harvesting, mail-in vote fraud, dead people and illegals voting and every other type of fraud they can think of to make the votes of non-Leftists irrelevant.

They KNOW they can't win a fair election, that's why they've been doing everything in their power to rig the upcoming elections in their favor.

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Yeah, Chris! They are fucking frauds! The goddamn Democrat party are fucking frauds and corrupt as hell. And so many stupid, drooling, fucking morons want to vote for the fucking Democrats???? It's such fucking insanity. Our country has turned into a bunch of spoiled, delusional, crying, shitting goddamned babies making moron fucking demands that are delusional and stupid as shit.

Oh, geesus Chris. I normally believe that 50% of humanity are worthless fucking dumb animals. I am afraid I was wrong in thinking that. The number must be far higher than that.:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Surely, though the guy who was shot in Atlanta can not be the same guy I looked up in the Clayton county Ga court records.

Would you look at those right wing racists!?

[video=youtube;tLLDHEcSzrA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLLDHEcSzrA[/youtube]

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1134121Would you look at those right wing racists!?

[video=youtube;tLLDHEcSzrA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLLDHEcSzrA[/youtube]

You can sum up Leftist morality pretty easily; "I can do whatever I want and everyone else must do exactly as I say."

This always happens when people make political power their god. There is no bottom to the depths they'll sink in pursuit of it. They'd rather make the world a burning garbage dump so long as they are its rulers than live in a paradise where everyone (including them) is free to pursue their own interests.

Quote from: Chris24601;1134151You can sum up Leftist morality pretty easily; "I can do whatever I want and everyone else must do exactly as I say."

This always happens when people make political power their god. There is no bottom to the depths they'll sink in pursuit of it. They'd rather make the world a burning garbage dump so long as they are its rulers than live in a paradise where everyone (including them) is free to pursue their own interests.

Its not even that. They claim to want equality. But every time what they enforce is segregation and discrimination and erroding race relations that had gotten pretty stable, if a bit unequal in non-white/male favour for a good while now.

I suspect these sociopaths can not stand peace.

That and they are so out of touch with reality they think its still the 50s-60s and have spread this mental disease far and wide.

Cut off water, power, and gas...then let's see of fucking long they'll last.

Quote from: jhkimWhile it might make them less cool as cyberpunk, I think not using guns is a good thing as far as sanity and loss of life is concerned. (I understand there are gun-armed people in CHAZ currently, but I don't think they used guns to hold off the police.)

The shift is curious to me. In recent decades, standoffs with the government were mostly by rural conservatives with guns like the 2016 Malheur Refuge occupation or the 1993 Waco siege. The last urban siege that springs to mind was the 1985 MOVE siege in Philadelphia.

Regardless of whether the occupiers are armed with guns or not, the government always has more than enough military resources to force them out. The issue is trying to resolve it with minimal loss of life. In the case of the MOVE siege who were black liberation activists, the police opted to just drop bombs on them -- but in the Waco and Malheur cases, despite the forces being armed, the government used less force and instead undertook a siege lasting weeks.

Here, with no lethal force being threatened against police, I have hope that it will be resolved more peacefully.

Quote from: oggsmash;1134107Not the best use of context.   You leave out a whole bunch of differences.  Didnt Philly drop the bomb in MOVE?  I know it came from a police helicopter, not a federal one.  And the Waco thing WAS NOT peaceful. The ATF was raiding them, a NO KNOCK WARRANT if you will, and got their shit pushed in and retreated. The FBI had ZERO desire to keep the massive black eye they had just sustained (thanks to the ATF serving another NO KNOCK WARRANT in Ruby Ridge) in the disaster killing a woman holding a baby in Idaho.

Obviously, there were lots of differences -- it's not possible to enumerate all of the differences. Waco was not peaceful, but nevertheless, the government did withdraw and took no aggressive action for weeks in the cases of Waco and Malheur. They wanted to minimize loss of life, because killing innocents was seen as a "black eye" as you say. And yes, it was city police who dropped the bomb from a police helicopter onto the roof of the MOVE building - where they moved aggressively and didn't attempt a standoff.

Quote from: oggsmash;1134107Edited to add:  Though in fairness, whatever is going on in Seattle is nothing close to that, and could be cleaned up with a bit of tear gas and officers with shields and sticks.  I just think the Mayor rather fantasize about living in the 60's.   I suspect it will peter out right around the boosted unemployment benefits go away July 30.

Exactly! They're not using guns to hold off the police, which I think is a good thing. That's my point. Compared to all of MOVE, Waco, and Malheur -- this is a far less violent and charged standoff. But it seemed like nobody else was making the comparison -- but instead implying that this was completely unprecedented move into anarchy.

Quote from: blackstone;1134256Cut off water, power, and gas...then let's see of fucking long they'll last.

No need to do that, just flick the WiFi off and they'll scatter in seconds.

Exactly how big is this area these nuts are trying to hold? Has anyone actually defined it or is it some nebulous thing?

Quote from: Omega;1134379Exactly how big is this area these nuts are trying to hold? Has anyone actually defined it or is it some nebulous thing?

  About 6 blocks and a park.  I think the police have an area a block or two outside the "borders" marked out.  The issue is not the damage it may be doing, though I think the tolerance people have for this (those who feel it is ok to let it go on) would shift rapidly if it was their residence inside the zone.  The real issue is it sets a very, very bad precedent.    The comparisons to past "stand offs" are not valid, as those were all either confined to one building, private property, or a cabin in the woods.   This will not so much spark anarchy in the sense of bombs and bullets, but the law abiding tax payers   just might applaud the action of freedom and unity, and then pack their shit and take their tax revenue elsewhere.  Sort of like the cities working as hard as they can to fuck the police.

Quote from: jhkim;1134359Exactly! They're not using guns to hold off the police, which I think is a good thing. That's my point. Compared to all of MOVE, Waco, and Malheur -- this is a far less violent and charged standoff.

Maleur wasn't a violent and charged standoff for the first weeks, when the police let the protestors come and go. Nobody was hurt or threatened until the police moved in.

The main difference with CHAZ/CHOP is the police have been leaving them completely alone. If that changes, then there will be violence, and probably deaths. The protestors do have guns, which means police aren't going to give them any breaks. And being "forced" to shoot someone is a good way to retroactively justify any measures the police might take, because it allows them to label the entire group as violent extremists. If that happens, expect a lot of serious charges and long jail sentences.

Though there does seem to be a dramatic shift in how law enforcement is responding to these incidents. Waco, Ruby Ridge, and MOVE were armed sieges from the start, so it's hard to compare them to the more recent ones. Which isn't a bad thing, because all three are bloody black stains on the history of policing.

Quote from: Pat;1134441Though there does seem to be a dramatic shift in how law enforcement is responding to these incidents. Waco, Ruby Ridge, and MOVE were armed sieges from the start, so it's hard to compare them to the more recent ones. Which isn't a bad thing, because all three are bloody black stains on the history of policing.

Yes, I completely agree.

I don't agree with oggsmash calling them "invalid comparisons". Obviously there are differences -- that's the whole point of comparison. You compare, and consider what the differences show.

I agree that in those other cases, the perpetrators threatened or shot at police with guns to hold them off. To be fair, I think in the tenor of the times, guns were required to hold the police off. This standoff is different in that guns aren't being used against the police, which is a good thing.

Quote from: jhkim;1134449Yes, I completely agree.

I don't agree with oggsmash calling them "invalid comparisons". Obviously there are differences -- that's the whole point of comparison. You compare, and consider what the differences show.

I agree that in those other cases, the perpetrators threatened or shot at police with guns to hold them off. To be fair, I think in the tenor of the times, guns were required to hold the police off. This standoff is different in that guns aren't being used against the police, which is a good thing.

  It is good you do not agree with that, because I never said it.  So who are you quoting?

Quote from: jhkim;1134449Yes, I completely agree.

I don't agree with oggsmash calling them "invalid comparisons". Obviously there are differences -- that's the whole point of comparison. You compare, and consider what the differences show.

I agree that in those other cases, the perpetrators threatened or shot at police with guns to hold them off. To be fair, I think in the tenor of the times, guns were required to hold the police off. This standoff is different in that guns aren't being used against the police, which is a good thing.

Then you're agreeing with something I didn't say and don't believe, because I don't think the difference is how the citizens reacted. There's really no difference between armed people taking over a section of Seattle and talking about succession, and the other cases. If anything, it's the most severe provocation of all, because it's disrupting a major city and threatening the sovereignty of the nation. The real difference is, in the 1980s and 1990s, police immediately responded with overwhelming force and besieged the areas, leading to horrific results. The 2016 Maleur incident was a marked shift in tone, with the police letting the armed protestors come and go for weeks. But note that it did eventually turn deadly, and that was a direct result of the police intervening.

If CHAZ/CHOP follows a similar pattern, the police will eventually intervene, and most likely there will be deaths.

Quote from: jhkimI don't agree with oggsmash calling them "invalid comparisons". Obviously there are differences -- that's the whole point of comparison. You compare, and consider what the differences show.

Quote from: oggsmash;1134452It is good you do not agree with that, because I never said it.  So who are you quoting?

I'm referring to Post #68 (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?42191-You-Are-Now-Leaving-The-USA!&p=1134384&viewfull=1#post1134384) where you said:

Quote from: oggsmashThe comparisons to past "stand offs" are not valid, as those were all either confined to one building, private property, or a cabin in the woods.

So you are calling CHAZ or CHOP a stand off?   It is not a stand off.  My bad though, I thought you said I was invalidating the comparison of the stand offs with one another.   But out side of sean hannity and old people living in their bedroom, I can not see how CHAZ is a stand off.

Did you guys see this? It's hilarious and scary at the same time. I can confirm similar things happening near where I live, with many media being equally dishonest (my usually leftist-leaning wife now wants firearms, that should tell you something)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sJZbKDy-Fk

[video=youtube;_sJZbKDy-Fk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sJZbKDy-Fk[/youtube]

Any moron comparing this to Branch Davidians or Ruby Ridge needs to read a book. Former case, Janet Reno wanted to make an example and ILLEGALLY had the ATF invade a compound and burned it to the ground. No witnesses. David Koresh was crazy, but legally owned all firearms, all people in Waco were there of their free will, and oh, it was private property owned by Koresh. Ruby Ridge, Feds INVADED private property. This is indisputable. If you ask me, in both cases the defenders had every right to shoot at the cops who were totally unjustified. Contrast with Soymalia...illegal seizure of property by looters, no one does jack shit.

Greetings!

Here is an additional analysis on the police shooting in Atlanta, GA, where a black criminal was shot and killed, and the Wendy's Restaurant was burned to the ground.

This is the Dan Bongino program.

[video=youtube;B5NvEGx6ZUQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5NvEGx6ZUQ[/youtube]

Excellent analysis and discussion. Dan Bongino also discusses the political climate and culture war.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Brad;1134515Contrast with Soymalia...

Soymalia!! LOL. Awesome.

I haven't recovered yet from laughing hysterically how Chazistan immediately set up borders, with armed guards, who checked people's ID when they entered, now with their own brutal police force and then...deported a Mexican guy.

Today, Salty Cracker had a video about how CHAZ is allegedly wanting to gather white people to put them to work. I had much LOLz because those honky AntiFart clowns have never put in a day of work and there will be a mass exodus to mom's basement after their first hour of labor.

The moment their childish LARP becomes unfun, they'll scurry away. No need to send in any forces and create martyrs. But I hope they are all identified and arrested to pay for the multi-million dollar cleanup ahead. This stupidity needs to come with a steep price in the end.

"They're throwing stuff at us, but in a peaceful way." - reporter ducks from random piece of junk
"This is mostly a protest" - building burning right behind him as he gives report.

I have never seen such complete denial of a situation as it unfolds right before you. The media whores and their pimps will do and say whatever to push their insane narrative.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1134563Soymalia!! LOL. Awesome.

I haven't recovered yet from laughing hysterically how Chazistan immediately set up borders, with armed guards, who checked people's ID when they entered, now with their own brutal police force and then...deported a Mexican guy.

Today, Salty Cracker had a video about how CHAZ is allegedly wanting to gather white people to put them to work. I had much LOLz because those honky AntiFart clowns have never put in a day of work and there will be a mass exodus to mom's basement after their first hour of labor.

The moment their childish LARP becomes unfun, they'll scurry away. No need to send in any forces and create martyrs. But I hope they are all identified and arrested to pay for the multi-million dollar cleanup ahead. This stupidity needs to come with a steep price in the end.

Wait, they deported a Mexican? Link please? I need to have it to mock them till the end of time.

My favorite peaceful protest headline was the one from London, where in the same line they say 27 officers were injured, the protests were mostly peaceful.   In a war, once lines are drawn and the camps are set, isnt it "mostly peaceful" for most of the armies most of the time?  That is about the dumbest way to describe a riot I have ever heard, a "mostly peaceful" protest.

Quote from: oggsmash;1134634My favorite peaceful protest headline was the one from London, where in the same line they say 27 officers were injured, the protests were mostly peaceful.   In a war, once lines are drawn and the camps are set, isnt it "mostly peaceful" for most of the armies most of the time?  That is about the dumbest way to describe a riot I have ever heard, a "mostly peaceful" protest.

And then did a 180 for the counter-protests describing them as being out for police blood which, granted, they may have been (or not I didn't read too deep into it) but the contrast is pretty glaring.

I did see where they labeled guys defending statues as far right or alt right.  Why does no one say far left protesters and alt left Antifa?

Quote from: oggsmash;1134642I did see where they labeled guys defending statues as far right or alt right.  Why does no one say far left protesters and alt left Antifa?

It'd be interesting to see a textual analysis of how the news reports comparable events on different ends of the political spectrum.

Quote from: Pat;1134646It'd be interesting to see a textual analysis of how the news reports comparable events on different ends of the political spectrum.

  I have never once seen protesters called far left.  If you are motivated enough to protest in general, to me, you are far left.  Once every 10 years, maybe not, but daily?  You are way left of center relative to the nation.  Yet, never once are these people called far left.

Quote from: oggsmash;1134634My favorite peaceful protest headline was the one from London, where in the same line they say 27 officers were injured, the protests were mostly peaceful.   In a war, once lines are drawn and the camps are set, isnt it "mostly peaceful" for most of the armies most of the time?  That is about the dumbest way to describe a riot I have ever heard, a "mostly peaceful" protest.

My favorite so far:  CNN: death star blows up Alderaan in mostly peaceful demonstration (https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-death-star-blows-up-alderaan-in-mostly-peaceful-demonstration/)

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1134650My favorite so far:  CNN: death star blows up Alderaan in mostly peaceful demonstration (https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-death-star-blows-up-alderaan-in-mostly-peaceful-demonstration/)

  You have made my day.  That was fantastic.

Quote from: oggsmash;1134642I did see where they labeled guys defending statues as far right or alt right.  Why does no one say far left protesters and alt left Antifa?

Cuz there are no "far left protesters" or "alt left antifa", of course. There's just far right goons and Neo-Nazis, and then there are “decent human beings”. ;)

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1134615Wait, they deported a Mexican? Link please? I need to have it to mock them till the end of time.

[video=youtube;6Y3eJNJ7shs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y3eJNJ7shs[/youtube]

Greetings!

Louder with Crowder has an early morning commentary on the Police shooting of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta, GA, and the recent Atlanta DA's charging the now-fired police officer with Felony Murder. A total miscarriage of justice, wrongfully charging the police officer who was entirely justified in defending himself from a violent black criminal.

[video=youtube;UrJHOcKQFi4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrJHOcKQFi4[/youtube]

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1134846Greetings!

Louder with Crowder has an early morning commentary on the Police shooting of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta, GA, and the recent Atlanta DA's charging the now-fired police officer with Felony Murder. A total miscarriage of justice, wrongfully charging the police officer who was entirely justified in defending himself from a violent black criminal.

[video=youtube;UrJHOcKQFi4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrJHOcKQFi4[/youtube]

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Lots of speculation that the DA is shitting things up because he's under ethics investigation and may lose his reelection bid.

Quote from: SHARK;1134846Greetings!

Louder with Crowder has an early morning commentary on the Police shooting of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta, GA, and the recent Atlanta DA's charging the now-fired police officer with Felony Murder. A total miscarriage of justice, wrongfully charging the police officer who was entirely justified in defending himself from a violent black criminal.



Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Jocko!!!!!

I watched internet reports breaking of Atlanta PD walking off the job last night, including cops from Atlanta privately reaching out to reporters and people listening in on scanner traffic saying that police weren't responding to calls. Then Atlanta PD came out and said oh no nothing happened everything's fine responding to calls as normal.

Someone's pulling a Baghdad Bob here. I hope it's the twitter bullshit but I'm afraid it's Atlanta's government. I guess we'll get more information today, either way.

Also, apparently the Georgia Bureau of Investigation was surprised by the charges and not consulted by the DA. https://twitter.com/GBI_GA/status/1273367047586668544

Why do we even have a legal code anymore? Just allow the prosecutors to say someone is bad, argue that in court, and then convict and sentence.

Because that's what they're doing with the felony murder charges in the Wendy's drive-thru case, and it's also what they did with the second degree murder charge in the I Can't Breathe case. There's no serious argument that Chauvin decided to deliberately kill Floyd, it makes no sense given the circumstances, and the officers were clearly surprised. It was inadverent, the question is whether it was avoidable and whether Chauvin was culpable. Which is involuntary manslaughter, not second degree murder. And this new case is even sillier, because the officer was not in the progress of committing a felony, which is the whole point of the charge. It's doesn't even meet the basic criteria.

The ever-growing list of crimes leading to the growing list of changes they slap on people in the hope that something sticks was bad enough, but now it seems like they're just picking charges from a hat. What happens with the next police killing? Will the cop be charged with embezzlement, Treason, forgery, damaging the wetlands, and a parking violation?

What happens next?  A couple loons load a truck, or maybe this time 10 trucks, all over major cities loaded with fertilizer and diesel fuel and start some real bullshit.

Bow to the Kang of CHOP.

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LOL that guy is a queef.  He would be an actual criminal's pet.  He is lucky liberal upper middle class white kids are terrified of Black guys.   He might be in trouble if a proper villian arrives to make some $$ selling in the open drug market.

Quote from: oggsmash;1134902What happens next?  A couple loons load a truck, or maybe this time 10 trucks, all over major cities loaded with fertilizer and diesel fuel and start some real bullshit.

Let's hope not. Innocent Americans, not our criminal politicians, will be the ones who suffer.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1134944Let's hope not. Innocent Americans, not our criminal politicians, will be the ones who suffer.

     Innocent Americans suffer now.   They did before.  They will during and after anything that happens.  Politicians are not going to suffer, it would take a French Revolution level event for them to suffer, and once they go....well then innocent people suffer.   There will be escalation or capitulation to current demands.   I can not see where either of those do not produce suffering.

The mask slips, seems like the Democrats have revoked civil rights in Commiefornia, if ratified it will allow for discrimination based on race, sex, sexuality, religion, etc.

[video=youtube;S9rdGvme-6U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9rdGvme-6U[/youtube]

Edited to add:

Tim is an idiot that thinks affirmative action is a good thing.

Here's the proposition and surprise, surprise, it's by Democrats http://archive.is/un0BM (http://archive.is/un0BM)

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135169Tim is an idiot that thinks affirmative action is a good thing.

I'm usually for skepticism and retaining a level of neutrality....But Tim is a fence sitter. He doesn't want to piss people off. His videos follow a pattern like:

"So democrats have overwhelming errors here, here and here....And Il still vote for them"

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135169Here's the proposition and surprise, surprise, it's by Democrats http://archive.is/un0BM (http://archive.is/un0BM)

California wants to LEGALIZE racism and discrimination based on gender and sexual preference???

What.The.Actual.Fuck.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1135190California wants to LEGALIZE racism and discrimination based on gender and sexual preference???

What.The.Actual.Fuck.

Now that threats to their preferred demographics are minimal, they want to strike back at those they hate.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1135190California wants to LEGALIZE racism and discrimination based on gender and sexual preference???

What.The.Actual.Fuck.

What the hell did you think affirmative action was anyway? But now they want to abolish the protections put in place by republicans (and that they fought tooth and nail to stop) against the Dems being able to discriminate based on race, they are, have always been and will always be the party of the KKK.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1135195Now that threats to their preferred demographics are minimal, they want to strike back at those they hate.

Not really, they want to increase racial tensions, just like racial relations suffered under Barack Obomber...

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135200What the hell did you think affirmative action was anyway?

An abomination of virtue signalling bullshit that did far more harm than good.

But this is another level of asinine. A very dangerous level of asinine.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1135264An abomination of virtue signalling bullshit that did far more harm than good.

But this is another level of asinine. A very dangerous level of asinine.

Yeah, I agree on that, this is dialing up the stupid well beyond ten.

Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1134873Someone's pulling a Baghdad Bob here. I hope it's the twitter bullshit but I'm afraid it's Atlanta's government. I guess we'll get more information today, either way.

Also, apparently the Georgia Bureau of Investigation was surprised by the charges and not consulted by the DA. https://twitter.com/GBI_GA/status/1273367047586668544

https://myfox8.com/news/some-atlanta-police-dont-show-up-for-work-for-a-third-day-after-officers-charged-in-fatal-shooting-of-rayshard-brooks/

The Baghdad Bob effect continues: "A majority of Atlanta police officers scheduled to work in two of the city's six police zones did not report for work on Friday, law enforcement sources tell CNN. ... The Atlanta Police Department denied officers weren't showing up for their shifts, but a police union director backed the accounts by CNN sources. In some instances, officers were refusing to leave their precincts unless a fellow officer required backup."

That went well...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/seattle-police-union-chief-violence-chop-troubling

"This is inside the area referred to as the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP). Officers attempted to locate a shooting victim but were met by a violent crowd that prevented officers safe access to the victims. Officers were later informed that the victims, both males, had been transported to Harborview Medical Center by CHOP medics.

"Officers responded to Harborview and were informed that one of the victims, a 19-year-old male, had died from injuries. The other victim, also a male, unknown age, remains in the hospital with life-threatening injuries."

I guess the anarchists are starting to really live up to their name...

I'm confused..
Shouldn't they have used their CHOP supplied State hospital in their own "country"?
Seeing as they've left the USA and all.

Seattle, Chicago and Minneapolis all had a largely peaceful shootings this weekend while England had a largely peaceful stabbings. The ONLY thing to remember from this weekend is everything involving BLM is always peaceful. Don't believe your lying eyes.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1135564Seattle, Chicago and Minneapolis all had a largely peaceful shootings this weekend while England had a largely peaceful stabbings. The ONLY thing to remember from this weekend is everything involving BLM is always peaceful. Don't believe your lying eyes.

Wasn't the UK peaceful incident related with the original religion of piece?

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135567Wasn't the UK peaceful incident related with the original religion of piece?

Yeah, the guy had been on a terrorism watch list for a couple of years apparently. The sadly-unavoidable downside of not locking people up for wrong-think. Some of them actually are dangerous. You just can't tell who until they "go off". I'm not advocating locking them up, btw. Not until they've actually broken the law.

Quote from: spon;1135604Yeah, the guy had been on a terrorism watch list for a couple of years apparently. The sadly-unavoidable downside of not locking people up for wrong-think. Some of them actually are dangerous. You just can't tell who until they "go off". I'm not advocating locking them up, btw. Not until they've actually broken the law.

How about "don't let high-risk people groups into your country at all"?

Quote from: RandyB;1135607How about "don't let high-risk people groups into your country at all"?

There's a middle ground. If you want 'in', you gotta have a sponsor -- someone who's already a citizen and will vouch for you.

And if you turn out to be a bad egg, well, woe betide your sponsor as well as you.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1135636There's a middle ground.

Why is there a middle ground? Why should there be?

Quote from: RandyB;1135645Why is there a middle ground? Why should there be?

Because I'm not a xenophobic twatwaffle.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1135649Because I'm not a xenophobic twatwaffle.

Those nonsense words don't describe anyone.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1135636There's a middle ground. If you want 'in', you gotta have a sponsor -- someone who's already a citizen and will vouch for you.

And if you turn out to be a bad egg, well, woe betide your sponsor as well as you.

Thanks!  This solves a problem I've been having for a few years.  Plus it fits in well with my belief in Hammurabi-style penalties.  I can't believe I didn't think of this.

Trump's been doing a good job with CHAZ -- avoiding the images of dead protesters a la Kent State while also red-pilling the normies about how awful DemonKKKrat leadership is.  Word is that the innocent civilians trapped in there are not pleased with the new situation.  Looks as though the party of racists and segregationists might have just lost upwards of 30k voters in that area.

Quote from: KingCheops;1135658Thanks!  This solves a problem I've been having for a few years.  Plus it fits in well with my belief in Hammurabi-style penalties.  I can't believe I didn't think of this.

Trump's been doing a good job with CHAZ -- avoiding the images of dead protesters a la Kent State while also red-pilling the normies about how awful DemonKKKrat leadership is.  Word is that the innocent civilians trapped in there are not pleased with the new situation.  Looks as though the party of racists and segregationists might have just lost upwards of 30k voters in that area.

This is actually how immigration in the U.S. used to be handled. If you wanted to come here, someone had to say 'This person would be a good fit'. I think we need to go back to that, myself.

Or come up with an alternate option. Like, say, pay your federal taxes for the first five years in advance.

Crime on the rise on the independent state of CHAZ, also, white person detained because he was white.

But they are the anti-racists...

[video=youtube;kGyhiu_BRG4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGyhiu_BRG4[/youtube]

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1135649Because I'm not a xenophobic twatwaffle.

*snort*

You used the word twatwaffle..... :D

The "Terrorist Watch" list must become the "Deported Now" list. If a foreign national is a threat, why keep them in your borders???

I like how CHAZ renamed itself CHOP and referenced the French Revolution in their speech. As for the Democrats losing voters over CHAZ, we will see come November. The election is still 4.5 months away, aka 4.5 years in the world of politics where so much can change.

As for the Largely Peaceful Stabbing, the reports I saw claimed it happened after a Burn Loot Murder rally in the same park. Is this incorrect?

https://twitter.com/zionist_report/status/1274337412181823489

The lack of self-awareness is so baffling I cannot even fathom to comprehend its depth.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1135659This is actually how immigration in the U.S. used to be handled. If you wanted to come here, someone had to say 'This person would be a good fit'. I think we need to go back to that, myself.

Or come up with an alternate option. Like, say, pay your federal taxes for the first five years in advance.

You're advocating for chain migration, a term that Trump has maligned (https://abcnews.go.com/US/times-trump-slammed-chain-migration-apparently-helped-wifes/story?id=57132429).

Quote from: Brad;1135673https://twitter.com/zionist_report/status/1274337412181823489

The lack of self-awareness is so baffling I cannot even fathom to comprehend its depth.

My favorite responses:

Progressing the society so fast they're regressing to pre-civil rights era.

Who'd have thought that the "progressive" left would reintroduce Jim Crow/Apartheid in Chaz.

Its Jamal Crow

Apartheid is the new black.

Do they get their own drinking fountains too?

Quote from: Brad;1135673https://twitter.com/zionist_report/status/1274337412181823489

The lack of self-awareness is so baffling I cannot even fathom to comprehend its depth.

Greetings!

Geesus, Brad! Damn right! You see the absolute brain-dead smugness and self righteousness? They are all so pleased with themselves like a kid on fucking Christmas....all the while, apparently being so fucking illiterate and uneducated, they have zero knowledge of the struggle of Martin Luther King--*what* he struggled for--as well as many other Americans, many of which were *white*. Besides that, the whole history of social change, government, and jurisprudence throughout the 1940's, 1950's, and 1960's.

Desegregating the US military after World War II, and everything. Everything we were trying to build, unity, understanding, genuine tolerance, and acceptance for everyone, regardless of the colour of their skin.

Just burn the whole fucking thing down. Fucking pathetic children, brainwashed fucking Marxist barbarians.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You guys don't understand: this isn't racist cuz the "coloreds" are getting the better drinking fountains now. ;)

They also have their white foot soldiers keeping everyone out while holding a sign that says "Blacks OUT!" So that makes it "not racist" (somehow)!

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1135690You're advocating for chain migration, a term that Trump has maligned (https://abcnews.go.com/US/times-trump-slammed-chain-migration-apparently-helped-wifes/story?id=57132429).

What Ghostwalker suggested is NOT chain migration.  Current chain migration involves family members (aunt, uncle, cousin, etc.) to be guaranteed entrance automatically as the default.

Quote from: moonsweeper;1135756What Ghostwalker suggested is NOT chain migration.  Current chain migration involves family members (aunt, uncle, cousin, etc.) to be guaranteed entrance automatically as the default.

But those are facts, and facts are part of white supremacy you bigot! :D

Andy Ngo spent five days in CHAZ, and wrote about it. (https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/my-terrifying-5-day-stay-inside-seattles-autonomous-zone/)

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135760But those are facts, and facts are part of white supremacy you bigot! :D

I am not a bigot...

I'm just like Jesus Christ. I hate everybody equally. ;)

Quote from: Spinachcat;1135671The "Terrorist Watch" list must become the "Deported Now" list. If a foreign national is a threat, why keep them in your borders???

I agree in principle, but they have to break the law first. Just being on a list isn't enough. The guy had been let in originally because he was supposedly "at risk of death" in his country. So he's already in, legally. If we're going to deport him, we need to prove he's broken the law - I don't think the government should be able to deport anyone without a good reason. And up until then, he hadn't broken the law, just done stuff that made the security services "aware" of him. What do you do, deport him for "wrongthink"? That's a slippery slope I don't want to go down.

He hadn't actually broken any law until he "went off". At what point do you accept the government's say-so that someone is about to do something wrong and therefore it's ok to deport them? Just because someone is on the watch list does not mean they are going to perform a terrorist act. We've got 60K people on our list, and the vast majority have never (and I hope will never) perform any terrorist actions.

Quote from: jeff37923;1135790Andy Ngo spent five days in CHAZ, and wrote about it. (https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/my-terrifying-5-day-stay-inside-seattles-autonomous-zone/)

Raz Simone is wearing a bright pink/red coat???!!!

Well, I suppose the Warlord of Chaz has to show his plumage to cement his status.


I will almost feel sorry for these little children when they start a real fight...almost...

Quote from: spon;1135793I agree in principle, but they have to break the law first. Just being on a list isn't enough. The guy had been let in originally because he was supposedly "at risk of death" in his country. So he's already in, legally. If we're going to deport him, we need to prove he's broken the law - I don't think the government should be able to deport anyone without a good reason. And up until then, he hadn't broken the law, just done stuff that made the security services "aware" of him. What do you do, deport him for "wrongthink"? That's a slippery slope I don't want to go down.

He hadn't actually broken any law until he "went off". At what point do you accept the government's say-so that someone is about to do something wrong and therefore it's ok to deport them? Just because someone is on the watch list does not mean they are going to perform a terrorist act. We've got 60K people on our list, and the vast majority have never (and I hope will never) perform any terrorist actions.

  Fastest way to avoid that whole conundrum is do not let people in with out extreme vetting.  If you are locked up in a supermax, you are at "risk of death".  That in no way makes you a good, or worthy person to be able to come to the United States.   If, after extreme vetting, you feel the need to identify with subversive or radial ideas (Islamist, Marxist, or Nazi) and there is any proof that aligns with your thinking, you are on the first plane out of the nation back where you came from.  Period.  A guest should never, ever have the same rights to the home that the person who actually lives there has.

Quote from: oggsmash;1135804Fastest way to avoid that whole conundrum is do not let people in with out extreme vetting.  If you are locked up in a supermax, you are at "risk of death".  That in no way makes you a good, or worthy person to be able to come to the United States.   If, after extreme vetting, you feel the need to identify with subversive or radial ideas (Islamist, Marxist, or Nazi) and there is any proof that aligns with your thinking, you are on the first plane out of the nation back where you came from.  Period.  A guest should never, ever have the same rights to the home that the person who actually lives there has.

I think that  idea has considerable merit. Question is, what do you do with those who are here already, and at what point do you let people naturalise? And what about children born to said people whilst they are in your country? Do they get full rights of others born here? If not, why not - and at what point do you relax this rule? If so, what right do you have to deport them (when you deport their parents)? The general principle is a good one, but it's in the details where this gets really messy.

Quote from: spon;1135968The general principle is a good one, but it's in the details where this gets really messy.

So the end of result of  that is let them all in and tough luck to their victims and their actual or potential children.  Meanwhile those supporting open borders go on sipping their lattes and reading The Guardian.

Quote from: Gagarth;1135970So the end of result of  that is let them all in and tough luck to their victims and their actual or potential children.  Meanwhile those supporting open borders go on sipping their lattes and reading The Guardian.

Er, no. The point I was trying to make, is that it's hard to come up with a workable system that is fair to the people you're trying to help (or the people you need for your economy), but protects the very people who are helping. You can close your borders (we've done it because of COVID, so it's very possible if you think the danger is great enough), but what do you do to the people who are already here? Giving up and opening your borders is not the correct response. Neither is deporting people who have not broken the law. There must be a middle way between these 2 points. I'm interested in discussing a workable solution, even if others are not.

Quote from: spon;1135990Er, no. The point I was trying to make, is that it's hard to come up with a workable system that is fair to the people you're trying to help (or the people you need for your economy), but protects the very people who are helping. You can close your borders (we've done it because of COVID, so it's very possible if you think the danger is great enough), but what do you do to the people who are already here? Giving up and opening your borders is not the correct response. Neither is deporting people who have not broken the law. There must be a middle way between these 2 points. I'm interested in discussing a workable solution, even if others are not.

The first step towards a workable solution is reducing the total numbers coming in. The second step is be pretty stingy with the numbers when importing people whose skills don't match the need for the labor pool. All else being equal, for example, a person with 5 years experience working as an electrician is a lot more likely to be valuable to our economy than a person who has spent the last 5 years doing sociology studies for an NGO.  To be clear, it is not that the latter should never be considered at all.  There are exceptions in every field.  But the latter should have a lot higher bar to cross to be admitted.

However, mainly the problem is that so many of the powers that be don't want a working system.  And they prey people's kindness and disinterest with the sob stories.  They want the numbers to be so high that it overwhelms the system, and thus we can't evaluate properly, we can't track sponsors, etc.   A workable solution is not difficult.  The will to use the workable solution is the hard part.  The will starts describing things as they are, not the sob stories.

Quote from: moonsweeper;1135756What Ghostwalker suggested is NOT chain migration.  Current chain migration involves family members (aunt, uncle, cousin, etc.) to be guaranteed entrance automatically as the default.

Thanks for the jump in there, moonsweeper -- even if my name is Ghostmaker, not Ghostwalker. Been playing Shadowrun in Denver? :D

But yes. I thought about inserting specifications for being a sponsor -- native born American, must have a job, etc -- but thought 'Who's going to be retarded enough to think I'm espousing chain migration?'.

So naturally here comes deadbraincellswalking....

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1136037Thanks for the jump in there, moonsweeper -- even if my name is Ghostmaker, not Ghostwalker. Been playing Shadowrun in Denver? :D

But yes. I thought about inserting specifications for being a sponsor -- native born American, must have a job, etc -- but thought 'Who's going to be retarded enough to think I'm espousing chain migration?'.

So naturally here comes deadbraincellswalking....

Sorry about the mis-spell. :)

odd since I never really played SR since 1st edition...more of a CP2020 and Cyberspace fan...

Quote from: spon;1135990Er, no. The point I was trying to make, is that it's hard to come up with a workable system that is fair to the people you're trying to help (or the people you need for your economy), but protects the very people who are helping. You can close your borders (we've done it because of COVID, so it's very possible if you think the danger is great enough), but what do you do to the people who are already here? Giving up and opening your borders is not the correct response. Neither is deporting people who have not broken the law. There must be a middle way between these 2 points. I'm interested in discussing a workable solution, even if others are not.

A workable solution based on what parameters?  We are already at one of the extreme points.

Quote from: Gagarth;1136193A workable solution based on what parameters?  We are already at one of the extreme points.

Again, no we are not. The 2 extreme points are: Fully closed borders (NK?) and fully open borders (internal EU borders to EU citizens?). We are not at the point of free movement of all people, close perhaps, but not there. So how do we put in place borders that allow for the movement of those people you actually want to come into your country, whilst keeping out those you don't and not buggering up the rights of your own citizens in the process.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1136005The first step towards a workable solution is reducing the total numbers coming in. The second step is be pretty stingy with the numbers when importing people whose skills don't match the need for the labor pool. All else being equal, for example, a person with 5 years experience working as an electrician is a lot more likely to be valuable to our economy than a person who has spent the last 5 years doing sociology studies for an NGO.  To be clear, it is not that the latter should never be considered at all.  There are exceptions in every field.  But the latter should have a lot higher bar to cross to be admitted.

I agree, but there are also a lot of "cheap labour" jobs that are being done now by (often illegal) immigrants. If the economy needs them, you have to have them in legally - or you have to change your economy so they aren't needed - or you're going to end up with the chaos you've got now. The UK is seeing this with Brexit - the cheap labour previously available from Eastern Europe won't be there once we've left. The farmers will have to cope somehow as those jobs won't (not can't, won't) be done by locals - the locals are not willing to do those jobs any more. So you need to do something about that sector of the economy, and points values and limited immigration won't fix that.

Quote from: spon;1136199I agree, but there are also a lot of "cheap labour" jobs that are being done now by (often illegal) immigrants. If the economy needs them, you have to have them in legally - or you have to change your economy so they aren't needed - or you're going to end up with the chaos you've got now. The UK is seeing this with Brexit - the cheap labour previously available from Eastern Europe won't be there once we've left. The farmers will have to cope somehow as those jobs won't (not can't, won't) be done by locals - the locals are not willing to do those jobs any more. So you need to do something about that sector of the economy, and points values and limited immigration won't fix that.

One of the reasons that I detest illegal immigration and its various apologists is the bad stuff it does to legal immigration (in its various forms).  When there is a good set of immigration rules in place and followed, most people don't have a problem with controlled immigration and reasonable guest worker programs and anything in between (e.g. green card).  And in fact, any kind of "conditional immigration" practiced and billed as such is a very good source of a potential full immigrants on "probation".  

People with legal green cards, doing their best to follow the rules, obeying the laws, etc. can get ousted on some fairly technical grounds--no one bats an eye.  Yet the tears come out when a completely illegal alien gets deported.  Oh wait, the legal green card holder pays taxes, is on the books, and all the other stuff that makes it difficult to take advantage of.  

But yeah, what can't go on, won't.  If "fuzzy all immigration" becomes too much to handle, then "no immigration" is the answer until such times as we get a handle on it.  But then I'm one of those that think all laws should have a sunset provision and require debate and passage to be re-implemented every 10 years or so.  It really concentrates peoples' minds on the essentials and leaves them less time for clever hand outs to favored groups.

Quote from: spon;1136199I agree, but there are also a lot of "cheap labour" jobs that are being done now by (often illegal) immigrants. If the economy needs them, you have to have them in legally - or you have to change your economy so they aren't needed - or you're going to end up with the chaos you've got now. The UK is seeing this with Brexit - the cheap labour previously available from Eastern Europe won't be there once we've left. The farmers will have to cope somehow as those jobs won't (not can't, won't) be done by locals - the locals are not willing to do those jobs any more. So you need to do something about that sector of the economy, and points values and limited immigration won't fix that.

   Isnt that technically the same argument the South used to justify slavery?   Turned out slaves were not needed to get the work done.

  In the short term easy fix, teenagers out of school for the summer do farm work (it is the reason in the USA we had/have summers off from school).  Since alot of them are pussies now, it will help fix that problem.  In the longer term agricultural supply companies engineer automation and efficiency devices, JUST like they did and were encouraged to do as slavery ended.  Using the cop out, this is how we always did it, so we always have to do it, is beyond rediculous.

As far as legal immigration goes, I agree with spon that you need to define the criterion of what a "workable" solution is.

Regarding illegal aliens, I've mentioned before that both the Republicans and the Democrats support using illegal alien labor. They clash over how humanely to treat the workers, but the only workable solution is to punish illegal *employers*. But that's big business where there's money, so it's not on the table.

Quote from: oggsmash;1136251Isnt that technically the same argument the South used to justify slavery?   Turned out slaves were not needed to get the work done.

  In the short term easy fix, teenagers out of school for the summer do farm work (it is the reason in the USA we had/have summers off from school).  Since alot of them are pussies now, it will help fix that problem.  In the longer term agricultural supply companies engineer automation and efficiency devices, JUST like they did and were encouraged to do as slavery ended.  Using the cop out, this is how we always did it, so we always have to do it, is beyond rediculous.

I'm pretty sure there's no way that teenagers will voluntarily do that work for illegal alien pay, so you'd have to draft them or something. But overall, I'm largely in agreement. Having this pseudo-slave labor is wrong. Farm workers should be legal and get paid at least minimum wage. It would upend a lot of the agricultural economy, and lead to importing some of what's currently grown in the U.S. (like strawberries), but it's the right thing to do.

I knew several illegals back in my construction days.  What exactly do you think is illegal alien pay?  Because I think you may have no idea.  Migrant workers do make less than illegals because part of their compensation is figured in with food and housing.  But illegals do not, will not and have not been payed less than minimum wage for at least 25 years.  Do you think these people are stupid?  They are not going to work for less than the minimum wage.  I think the lowest paid illegal I knew (out of 12 I knew personally) was making 9 bucks an hour, but it was his first week, he did not know how to do anything yet, and he was 17.

   I am also not at all against drafting teens for farm work, I worked on a farm as my second job days off from my other job during the summer when I was in HS, and even then they paid more than minimum wage.   To be honest, it was considerably easier than the job I had the summer before (laborer on a brick laying crew as a 16 year old), but will be eye opening for today's kids for sure.

Quote from: oggsmash;1136301I knew several illegals back in my construction days.  What exactly do you think is illegal alien pay?  Because I think you may have no idea.  Migrant workers do make less than illegals because part of their compensation is figured in with food and housing.  But illegals do not, will not and have not been payed less than minimum wage for at least 25 years.  Do you think these people are stupid?  They are not going to work for less than the minimum wage.  I think the lowest paid illegal I knew (out of 12 I knew personally) was making 9 bucks an hour, but it was his first week, he did not know how to do anything yet, and he was 17.

   I am also not at all against drafting teens for farm work, I worked on a farm as my second job days off from my other job during the summer when I was in HS, and even then they paid more than minimum wage.   To be honest, it was considerably easier than the job I had the summer before (laborer on a brick laying crew as a 16 year old), but will be eye opening for today's kids for sure.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that all illegal aliens made less than minimum wage - which I agree is not the case. Please disregard the reference to minimum wage. But to the larger point, I still think that modern teenagers would not voluntarily move to fill in the jobs currently done by illegal aliens for their current pay. From your comment about the draft, does that mean you agree?

I'm not sure how drafted labor would be applied to private farms, though. I'm not opposed to the draft in general, as long as it applies to everyone equally - not something that rich kids can buy their way out of.

Our economy does not need illegal labor. It's bullshit that people won't do farmwork. People do what it takes to eat, but we've made welfare too easy and too profitable. If your options are work and eat or not eat, people will pick crops. Does anyone really think Mexicans on our farms wake up in the morning and go "hell yeah, can't wait to pick more strawberries today!"???

We also don't put our criminals to work. A hard and honest day of work the best thing for them. And it doesn't need to be involuntary slave labor. Each day worked counts as 2 days against your prison time is the incentive. And if the weather truly sucks, it counts as 3 days. And the parole boards can then look at behavior. Who do you want to let out? Some clown who sat in his cell or somebody who put in months of hard work without any incident? Which do you think will get a job after their parole?

I'm sure we've all see the CHAZ/CHOP "farms" and had a good laugh, but here's something to consider. While the rest of the garbage was wandering around spraypainting, getting high or shooting each other, a few people tried to build a garden and put in the work. Yes, the kids are clowns who don't know shit about farming, but they got their hands in the dirt with the intention to feed others. Those kids can be shipped off to a farm and would probably learn how to be productive farmers.

As for today's teens being sent to farms to work? That's a GREAT idea. Here's why. Our digital culture is empty of physical labor. It's empty of meaningful work. It's keeping people locked inside staring at screens. School turns people into heads being carried around by atrophied bodies. All humans yearn for meaning and accomplishment. Working side by side on a farm in the sun and fresh air would probably do truly amazing wonders for today's teens.

Would they bitch about it? Uh yeah, they're teens. Whining is their jam.
Would they cherish that farming experience for the rest of their lives? Quite probably.

Quote from: jhkim;1136307Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that all illegal aliens made less than minimum wage - which I agree is not the case. Please disregard the reference to minimum wage. But to the larger point, I still think that modern teenagers would not voluntarily move to fill in the jobs currently done by illegal aliens for their current pay. From your comment about the draft, does that mean you agree?

I'm not sure how drafted labor would be applied to private farms, though. I'm not opposed to the draft in general, as long as it applies to everyone equally - not something that rich kids can buy their way out of.

  No, rich kids need it more than anyone else IME.  They are not going to want to do it for any rate of pay, the money they make will be better than working fast food or the like.  But 2 summers for every american kid, would be just fine with me.  Private farms is no issue, so long as they pay, and minimum wage would be a fine rate for kids who do not know what to do at first.  I rather they be drafted for service like that, like understanding where food comes from and what a dollar is actually worth than having a draft for the military.

   I mean you do understand as little as 35 years ago, there were NO ILLEGALS working on most farms in most of the USA right?  Work was harder then and more labor intensive (farming tech progresses, though slowly).  Tweens and teens did the work.  When my dad was a kid every farm has tween and teen labor, as I already said it is the whole reason schools have a "traditional" calendar.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1136312As for today's teens being sent to farms to work? That's a GREAT idea. Here's why. Our digital culture is empty of physical labor. It's empty of meaningful work. It's keeping people locked inside staring at screens. School turns people into heads being carried around by atrophied bodies. All humans yearn for meaning and accomplishment. Working side by side on a farm in the sun and fresh air would probably do truly amazing wonders for today's teens.

Would they bitch about it? Uh yeah, they're teens. Whining is their jam.
Would they cherish that farming experience for the rest of their lives? Quite probably.

Heh. I agree it could be quite positive - though they'd also bitch about it for the rest of their lives, based on my experience with Germans, Danes, and Koreans. Countries like South Korea, Germany, Denmark, and Israel all have required military/social service.

But if you bigots deport all the migrants then my avocado toast will cost 1 dollar more! And also who will clean my toilets!

Notice how it's never a really humanitarian argument? It's always a self-serving argument.

The truth is the only humanitarian argument regarding migration is this: Migration should be made in the legal way, a country has the right to deny entry and to set limits on the numbers. Also Illegal immigration only benefits the Koch's and Soros's of this world and the corrupt governments of our third world shitholes by reducing the social pressure for real change, while removing the hard working and motivated people from our soil.

There's a town here in México without men, all have migrated to the USA illegally of course (some might have returned when Trump got in), who works those lands? Who provides the fatherly advice to son's and daughters?

SJWs don't care, they only care about buying the next iPhone cheap (even if it's made with slave labor) and access to their avocado toasts.

Honestly, and from the bottom of my heart: Que se pudran en el infierno todos los que quieren fronteras abiertas.

It is hilarious that picking strawberries is the example being used.  There are still local farms that sell strawberries in season that do a substantial part of their picking by letting visitors pick for a reduced rate on the berries--usually about 2/3 to 3/4 of the retail cost.  Not only do you save a little money, you get better berries.  The hired labor comes behind and picks what isn't picked by direct customers--and frequently skips the rows that have already been picked because it is far cheaper to plant enough to account for the waste rather than going behind amateurs partially picking a row.  If giant farms in California stop selling the berries cheap, the price will go up a little, and suddenly those farms will make mint on an already working model.  More will spring up.

Picking strawberries is almost one of the easiest farming jobs on the planet. I did it when I was 3, and did it well by the time I was 5.  Actually easier for kids, because the hardest part for an adult is all the bending.  Heck, the modern version of planting are raised slightly and the plants are usually varieties that don't scratch your hands nearly as much as the ones in older patches.  Which is part of the reason I took my kids with me sometimes to pick.  Yeah, it takes some time.  It's a lot of work to maintain your own patch, but piece of cake for an established outfit with the machinery.  

One of my sets of grandparents made most of their extra cash truck farming.  The other set made most of their extra cash delivering food.  That was after their regular farming got them into that thin margin over break-even (except for the lean years).  You can't live off or producing strawberries, and all farming is real work, but if you've got a diverse truck farm, strawberries is one of the easier products imaginable to make some profit.  I lived it.  You don't need illegal labor to make it work.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1136312Our economy does not need illegal labor. It's bullshit that people won't do farmwork. People do what it takes to eat, but we've made welfare too easy and too profitable. If your options are work and eat or not eat, people will pick crops. Does anyone really think Mexicans on our farms wake up in the morning and go "hell yeah, can't wait to pick more strawberries today!"???

We also don't put our criminals to work. A hard and honest day of work the best thing for them. And it doesn't need to be involuntary slave labor. Each day worked counts as 2 days against your prison time is the incentive. And if the weather truly sucks, it counts as 3 days. And the parole boards can then look at behavior. Who do you want to let out? Some clown who sat in his cell or somebody who put in months of hard work without any incident? Which do you think will get a job after their parole?

I'm sure we've all see the CHAZ/CHOP "farms" and had a good laugh, but here's something to consider. While the rest of the garbage was wandering around spraypainting, getting high or shooting each other, a few people tried to build a garden and put in the work. Yes, the kids are clowns who don't know shit about farming, but they got their hands in the dirt with the intention to feed others. Those kids can be shipped off to a farm and would probably learn how to be productive farmers.

As for today's teens being sent to farms to work? That's a GREAT idea. Here's why. Our digital culture is empty of physical labor. It's empty of meaningful work. It's keeping people locked inside staring at screens. School turns people into heads being carried around by atrophied bodies. All humans yearn for meaning and accomplishment. Working side by side on a farm in the sun and fresh air would probably do truly amazing wonders for today's teens.

Would they bitch about it? Uh yeah, they're teens. Whining is their jam.
Would they cherish that farming experience for the rest of their lives? Quite probably.

I'll call and raise your "Quite probably" to "Damned likely".

I still bitch about working on a tobacco farm, Summer on a mushroom (shitaku?) farm, and even more about the summer I spent as a laborer with a brick mason's crew.  But there are lessons that also stick with you, for your whole life.   It also gives a nice look at the working class people (and I hate to say this, people who at times dip to poverty) the upper middle class and higher people in society that love to feel so much guilt and pain towards the lower class's position.  

   A few days working with those people, and I think you will understand their situation A WHOLE LOT BETTER.  I think a whole lot of people now a days who are white collar workers have solutions to problems with no idea as to underlying issues with another class of people.   It creates millenials who are completely divorced from reality.

Quote from: jhkim;1136333Heh. I agree it could be quite positive - though they'd also bitch about it for the rest of their lives, based on my experience with Germans, Danes, and Koreans. Countries like South Korea, Germany, Denmark, and Israel all have required military/social service.

I'm unfamiliar with how South Korea does its service as all Koreans I've met have been Americans, but I know lots of Israelis and they are all very positive about their IDF service. Most of the Israeli guys I know still network with people they served with during their two years. Two of them married girls they met in the IDF who they never would have met otherwise.

My father was conscripted in the Yugoslav military, and its was just miserable serfdom with a tiny amount of rifle training. But even he said there was value because the army mixed people from all over the country (Serbians, Bosnians, Croatians, Macedonians, etc) and that helped build cross cultural understanding and some national unity (which of course, all fell apart in the 90s).

My grandfather was in FDR's Civilian Conservation Corps and he celebrated those years his entire life. He regretted FDR ending the program because he felt the civil strife of the 60s wouldn't have occurred if all Americans did 2 years out of their comfort zone and learning about each other while doing something that mattered.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1136334There's a town here in México without men, all have migrated to the USA illegally of course (some might have returned when Trump got in), who works those lands? Who provides the fatherly advice to son's and daughters?

Damn.

In our media, illegal labor is sold as a net positive to Mexico because of the money allegedly sent back home.

Americans need to learn about the painful cost of illegal immigration to Mexico. Only then could we set up a smart, mutually beneficial "seasonal migrant worker" program that respects the laws and needs of both nations.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1136334Honestly, and from the bottom of my heart: Que se pudran en el infierno todos los que quieren fronteras abiertas.

Are you offering to refill my margarita?

Infierno sounds spicy. Maybe you've got some guacamole to share?

:D

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1136335It is hilarious that picking strawberries is the example being used.

There's huge strawberry fields about an hour north of Los Angeles along the coast. The labor doesn't look like they're having fun, because of exactly what you said about constant bending down in the sun.

Quote from: oggsmash;1136428It creates millenials who are completely divorced from reality.

Fortunately, we will never see the consequences of generations completely divorced from reality.

Nope. Nothing to see here.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1136561Damn.

In our media, illegal labor is sold as a net positive to Mexico because of the money allegedly sent back home.

Americans need to learn about the painful cost of illegal immigration to Mexico. Only then could we set up a smart, mutually beneficial "seasonal migrant worker" program that respects the laws and needs of both nations.

There used to be one, then it was ended, and our fucking government back then stole the money owed to those workers.

Why do you think legal migrants are against illegal immigration? They know what's causing it and what it is preventing.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1136561Are you offering to refill my margarita?

Infierno sounds spicy. Maybe you've got some guacamole to share?

:D

LOL I said: All those who want open borders should rot in hell.

Quote from: oggsmash;1136428A few days working with those people, and I think you will understand their situation A WHOLE LOT BETTER.  I think a whole lot of people now a days who are white collar workers have solutions to problems with no idea as to underlying issues with another class of people.   It creates millenials who are completely divorced from reality.

It also creates college educated management types who do not understand the work being done or the people being managed, so they come up with ideas and changes which look good on paper but disintegrate when applied in a real working environment.

Quote from: SHARK;1133649Greetings!

Here is an interesting analysis of CHAZ in Seattle. Pundit! Seattle 2020 is getting even more crazy! The Mayor of Seattle supports these Communits Antifa rebels. Fucking amazing! Morons are seeking to overthrow our entire society and culture.

[video=youtube;wozB6-xUlPU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wozB6-xUlPU[/youtube]

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You know if they got their wish, what they would end up in would essentially be a ghetto in the European sense. If we recognize Chaz as a foreign country, then we have to build a border wall around it to prevent illegal aliens from sneaking into our country without our permission, and since it would be a hostile country, as it stole land from us and that is an act of war, we won't have any trade with it, and people inside those walls would starve. So I think they would not really want to be an independent country if they knew what that would mean. Nations come with borders after all, and since they are surrounded by the United States, they would not be able to leave. So I think the humane thing to do is not to recognize their country, and take back those city blocks.

Greetings!

In the new America, racist attacks against white people are spreading, and no hate crimes are being charged against the black assailants.

This is a good analysis on the Matt Walsh program, of the Daily Wire.

[video=youtube;b806JHG9eKI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b806JHG9eKI[/youtube]

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1136988Greetings!

In the new America, racist attacks against white people are spreading, and no hate crimes are being charged against the black assailants.

This is a good analysis on the Matt Walsh program, of the Daily Wire.

[video=youtube;b806JHG9eKI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b806JHG9eKI[/youtube]

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Practice situational awareness, folks. Keep your head on a swivel.

Remember the 'knockout game'? This is just one more permutation of it.

That guy got what you get when you do not take the time and effort to learn to fight.  There are all sorts of ways and places to learn that (boxing, kickboxing, BJJ, wrestling, etc) so I have a bit of a hard heart watching a grown man look like a complete pussy in the face of aggression.

Quote from: oggsmash;1137160That guy got what you get when you do not take the time and effort to learn to fight.  There are all sorts of ways and places to learn that (boxing, kickboxing, BJJ, wrestling, etc) so I have a bit of a hard heart watching a grown man look like a complete pussy in the face of aggression.

If he'd fought back he guaranteed would have been charged with a hate crime in the current climate.  The worm is starting to turn against these fascists but when the Macy's guy was assaulted 3 weeks ago fighting back would have been no bueno.

Quote from: KingCheops;1137193If he'd fought back he guaranteed would have been charged with a hate crime in the current climate.  The worm is starting to turn against these fascists but when the Macy's guy was assaulted 3 weeks ago fighting back would have been no bueno.

So either he beats you to a pulp, or you shoot him in the head and you go to jail. I hate to depend on the mercy of my assailant!

Not all of us are young 20 year old males that can learn how to fight, that is why we have second amendment rights, it is a matter of deterrence. If a mugger sees an old lady and thinks she may have a gun in her purse, he may decide not to rob her as he may end up dead!

Quote from: KingCheops;1137193If he'd fought back he guaranteed would have been charged with a hate crime in the current climate.  The worm is starting to turn against these fascists but when the Macy's guy was assaulted 3 weeks ago fighting back would have been no bueno.

   That is bullshit.  That dude could not fight back.  I do not disagree he may have been charged for fighting back, maybe in the court of public opinion, but if you are a man, and have never tasted the tar, or can not reasonably defend yourself in a scuffle, you have to this point failed miserably in an area of your life.  That guy failed miserably in that area of his life.  I hope his example will motivate others to do something about their failure to this point.

Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1137213Not all of us are young 20 year old males that can learn how to fight, that is why we have second amendment rights, it is a matter of deterrence. If a mugger sees an old lady and thinks she may have a gun in her purse, he may decide not to rob her as he may end up dead!

   I have seen people as old as 62 start BJJ or kickboxing, and I know of others starting older, I think the oldest I heard of was around 70.  I agree about the 2nd amendment, but that does not excuse the lack in other areas.  Squats, push ups and squat thrusts are cheap, and you can knock em out every day, multiple times per day.  Being in the best shape you can manage vs age/health issues is NEVER a bad idea.  I makes you mostly death proof from the rona, and ups your odds in any physical confrontation.  Knowing how to fight unarmed to at least base competence level is a MINIMUM in addition to owning and knowing how to use a gun IMO.  Knowing the basics of a knife and stick are bonuses as well.  I do not want to victim shame, and you can be a serious bad ass and still get your ass kicked by someone who is just too much to handle physically/lucky/slip on the banana peel or what not.   The guy in that video didnt slip on a banana peel.  He forgot the number one rule, the strong get to decide when there is peace, not the weak.  Mercy is a gift from the strong, not a given for the weak.

Greetings!

Salty Cracker discusses how the Antifa and BLM leaders of CHAZ have taxed white people within CHAZ--telling the white people to find a black person there, and give them $10. Salty Cracker also highlights and discusses the Antifa and BLM leader's desires to enslave white people and keep them under armed supervision, so as to better control "The White Menace."

[video=youtube;qf3rbMmzCQc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf3rbMmzCQc[/youtube]

Such wonderful, progressive people in CHAZ! Fucking traitors!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: oggsmash;1137217(Tiresome edgelord net muscleflexing)

Dude, seriously?

What the fuck is wrong with you? It's one thing to square off, but it's another to eat a goddamn sucker punch from some roided-up baboon that sends you to the mat wondering who clobbered you.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1137435Dude, seriously?

What the fuck is wrong with you? It's one thing to square off, but it's another to eat a goddamn sucker punch from some roided-up baboon that sends you to the mat wondering who clobbered you.

   Say what you will.  That guy Was ill prepared.   I apologize if I assign some responsibility to every person to learn how to defend themselves.  I think you must not have read everything I said to have a response like you did.    I think if we had a chance to speak, especially where I worked for 12 years you would understand my point of view a bit better.

I would add, if that guy looks roided out to you, our opinions are going to be a bit different.  Looked like an average 20 something that may work out some.

On the original topic, the news in Seattle today is:

QuoteThe Seattle Police Department (SPD) moved into the "Capitol Hill Organized Protest" (CHOP) zone and returned to the department's East Precinct early Wednesday morning after abandoning the building three weeks ago.

Officers arrested at least 31 people by 9:25 a.m. for failure to disperse, obstruction, resisting arrest, and assault. SPD tweeted that officers made an additional arrest around 10:50 a.m. at Broadway and E. Pine St.

Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan issued a 48-hour executive order for protesters to vacate the area due to the ongoing violence and public safety issues in the area of the East Precinct and Cal Anderson Park. Mayor Durkan's order declared the gathering as an "unlawful assembly" that required immediate action.

Two teenagers were killed and three other people were injured in shootings in or near the CHOP since the protest began on June 8. The precinct was evacuated on June 11.

Police moved into the CHOP just before 5 a.m. and issued a dispersal order to any protesters in the area.

"Anyone who remains in the area, or returns to the area, is subject to arrest," SPD tweeted.

Officers were seen clearing tents and barriers in the CHOP. KING 5 crews saw officers using pepper spray on demonstrators who weren't leaving the area after dispersal orders were given.

"Thank you to the individuals affiliated with the CHOP who have assisted officers in encouraging people to safely leave the area," SPD tweeted.

KING 5's Michael Crowe said a majority of the protesters had left the CHOP by 6:20 a.m. Around the same time, SPD tweeted that officers "continue to give dispersal orders and are moving remaining groups north through Cal Anderson Park."

"The Seattle Police Department basically reclaimed the precinct in less than 30 minutes, 5 feet at a time with the bicycle officers out in front," said Omari Salisbury, a reporter with Seattle's Converge Media. Salisbury has been live streaming from the CHOP throughout the protest in Capitol Hill.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/protests/seattle-police-capitol-hill-chop-chaz/281-6253a20a-127b-4cd7-93dd-43f3f008afd0

Good thing they decided to end that after only a few people got murdered in the summer of love.   Maybe had they done that day one, they would have saved some lives?

Quote from: oggsmash;1137456Good thing they decided to end that after only a few people got murdered in the summer of love.   Maybe had they done that day one, they would have saved some lives?

I wonder who would vote for "lockdown Joe?" The media seems in the tank for this geriatric presidential candidate, he should be retiring, not running for president! If you vote for a democrat, he might decide not to govern or enforce the law when minority groups might be affected. They might be allowed to "blow off steam" while burning your house down, raping you wife, and killing your dog!

I wonder if the CHAZ freaks will just regroup and take over another area of Seattle, or perhaps roll down to Portland. It's interesting they didn't put up a fight and negotiate for any of their demands...or are they getting a backroom deal?

Quote from: oggsmash;1137456Good thing they decided to end that after only a few people got murdered in the summer of love.   Maybe had they done that day one, they would have saved some lives?

Mayor Durkan only got the police involved after some protesters came knocking.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/protests/seattle-city-councilmember-kshama-sawant-joined-a-large-group-of-protesters-outside-the-chop-zone-who-marched-to-durkans-house-on-sunday-afternoon/281-b8177945-8696-4cfb-afa8-dfda5f9ccf1f

Funny coincidence, that.

I don't go to Seattle anymore. The council doesn't give two wet shits about the city.

https://mynorthwest.com/1932903/rantz-seattle-cop-quitting-ashamed-protests/

And I only expect it to get worse.

Quote from: oggsmash;1137444I would add, if that guy looks roided out to you, our opinions are going to be a bit different.  Looked like an average 20 something that may work out some.

If you think my assessment was solely on appearance, you're not half as smart as you think you are.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1137435Dude, seriously?

What the fuck is wrong with you? It's one thing to square off, but it's another to eat a goddamn sucker punch from some roided-up baboon that sends you to the mat wondering who clobbered you.

Dude.
baboon?
What the literal fuck?

You know Pundit has zero tolerance for Stormfront-like bullshit, right?

Given that the Chaz has now ended, in abject failure with murders and all the expected proof of exactly what will happen if the Left get their way and replace the Police with armed militias of communist activists, I'm closing the thread.

Ghostmaker, I'm going to be assuming for the moment that you were just really fucking stupid in your choice of words. If you want to correct me on that, and tell everyone that you actually intended it to seem like what it could be interpreted as, please feel free so I can save us all some time. Otherwise, take this as a warning.