Yes, SJWs ARE Fascists

[RandyB]

Yep, two interpretations of the same ideology/religion, but there was a time when Catholicism vs Protestantism would be an apt analogy too.

The Catholic/Protestant violence was as vehement as the Sunni/Wahhabi, once upon a time. But Catholicism and Protestantism are not inimical to Western Civilization. Islam, Fascism, and Communism all are.

[Steven Mitchell]

The Catholic/Protestant violence was as vehement as the Sunni/Wahhabi, once upon a time. But Catholicism and Protestantism are not inimical to Western Civilization. Islam, Fascism, and Communism all are.

Yes.  It's the difference between managing to burn everything down in the attempt to have it, versus deliberately burning everything down.  Granted, once the mercenary is at your house with the torch, it doesn't make a lot of difference to you personally.  It does make a difference in the options for reconciliation between the competing mercenaries after they've realized that burning down your house means that it isn't left for them to have.

[RandyB]

Yes.  It's the difference between managing to burn everything down in the attempt to have it, versus deliberately burning everything down.  Granted, once the mercenary is at your house with the torch, it doesn't make a lot of difference to you personally.  It does make a difference in the options for reconciliation between the competing mercenaries after they've realized that burning down your house means that it isn't left for them to have.

There's always another house. Until there isn't. At that point, they turn on each other.

[Trond]

Are you saying that say Irak couldn't ever be fascist because they are against the west and not white?

No, I'd say that Iraqis would have to be anti-Iraqi culture, religion, and business in order to be extremist left, and militantly anti-everyone else in order to be fascist.

[GeekyBugle]

No, I'd say that Iraqis would have to be anti-Iraqi culture, religion, and business in order to be extremist left, and militantly anti-everyone else in order to be fascist.

But fascists ARE part of the extreme left.

Just not part of the Marxist tribe.

[Trond]

But fascists ARE part of the extreme left.

Just not part of the Marxist tribe.

I don't agree, but whatever, I think you know what I mean. Put "communists" where I said extremist left.

[moonsweeper]

The reason they look so similar is because they reach the same position.  It is the clock/circle of political principle.  If you go far enough to either side you meet, because the end result of both ideas are the same.

They both require absolute control to maintain power, because neither can withstand truly objective scrutiny.  They just differ on starting point and some methods.

[Zirunel]

Ah, I see. That's a reasonable debate to be had. If Fascism and Communism are Christianity & Islamism, or Catholocism & Protestantism.

I argue the latter.

It could be a fun rabbit hole to go down, and I would argue more for the former than the latter, but I wouldn't waste much effort making my case. I recognize my position would be flawed, even if it were a better fit. It's only an analogy, which makes it both imperfect, and tangential.  

Getting back to fascism, I'll note that some of the people who could be described as "woke" love to cast their opponents as "Nazis" and "Fascists," even though it's a bad fit, their opponents are mostly only conservative or sceptical. It's ridiculous hyperbole, of course.

And frankly, this whole " SJWs are fascists" exercise looks like exactly the same thing. "Fascist" is a bad word, so can we tar our opponents as nasty ol' fascists? But unless the "woke" are way more nationalist than I think, it's a terrible fit and just as bad as describing all opponents of the woke as Nazis.

[GeekyBugle]

It could be a fun rabbit hole to go down, and I would argue more for the former than the latter, but I wouldn't waste much effort making my case. I recognize my position would be flawed, even if it were a better fit. It's only an analogy, which makes it both imperfect, and tangential.  

Getting back to fascism, I'll note that some of the people who could be described as "woke" love to cast their opponents as "Nazis" and "Fascists," even though it's a bad fit, their opponents are mostly only conservative or sceptical. It's ridiculous hyperbole, of course.

Frankly, this whole " SJWs are fascists" exercise looks like exactly the same thing. "Fascist" is a bad word, so can we tar our opponents as nasty ol' fascists? But unless the "woke" are way more nationalist than I think, it's a terrible fit and just as bad as describing all opponents of the woke as Nazis.

Fascism puts everything at the service of the state.

Unless you think that a state can't exist without a nation (what about the world state the woke want?), it's a difference without real meaning, their methods and end goal are the same.

[Zirunel]

Fascism puts everything at the service of the state.

Fascism puts everything (including the state) at the service of the national (military) gloire.

EDITED TO ADD: (so the gaseous nationalist rhetoric went. Fascism of course proved to be crap at actually achieving any such thing)

Unless you think that a state can't exist without a nation (what about the world state the woke want?), it's a difference without real meaning, their methods and end goal are the same.

The state can exist without a nation. But the state without a nation (such as the Austro-Hungarian "multi-ethnic empire" that Hitler grew up in and despised) was precisely the kind of state that fascism abhorred. Fascism had no time for the state without a nation. And it certainly had no time for any "world-state." Good lord, that was the ultimate evil for fascists.

[GeekyBugle]

Fascism puts everything (including the state) at the service of the national (military) gloire.

EDITED TO ADD: (so the gaseous nationalist rhetoric went. Fascism of course proved to be crap at actually achieving any such thing)



The state can exist without a nation. But the state without a nation (such as the Austro-Hungarian "multi-ethnic empire" that Hitler grew up in and despised) was precisely the kind of state that fascism abhorred. Fascism had no time for the state without a nation. And it certainly had no time for any "world-state." Good lord, that was the ultimate evil for fascists.

Nope, fascism puts everything in the service of the state  "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state".

Nope again, fascists were happy with a world order with no juice, gypsies, etc. and with the "Arian Race" on top.

Now lets change just a few words:

Fascists want a world order with no juice, gypsies, etc. and with the "Arian Race (The Oppressed by those evul juice, gypsies, etc)" on top.
vs
SJWs want world order with no white, straight, Christian, etc. and with the "oppressed (Who are oppressed by those evul white, straight, Christian, etc)" on top.

A difference without a meaning.

[Spinachcat]

I'm more inclined to view SJWs as Stalinists because of their demand the natural world adhere to their ideology, in spite of reality.

But we can have fine tea and a symposium discussing whether they're Nazis or Commies AFTER they are hanging off our spears.

America is burning. Time to bring down the arsonists.

[Shrieking Banshee]

And it certainly had no time for any "world-state." Good lord, that was the ultimate evil for fascists.

Then why did it want to conquer the world?

[HappyDaze]

Then why did it want to conquer the world?

The idea of us conquer them only stays appealing until the them start to be seen as part of the us.

[Shrieking Banshee]

The idea of us conquer them only stays appealing until the them start to be seen as part of the us.

Which is why they wanted to do the whole 'Racial cleansing' element.