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Author Topic: Yes, SJWs ARE Fascists  (Read 3039 times)

Zirunel

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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2020, 09:34:35 am »
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with perhaps the only difference being Nationalism.


Yeah. Which is why this doesn't really work. Take out the nationalism, and you aren't talking about fascism anymore. Other isms perhaps, but not fascism.

(And no, inter-nationalism doesn't count. That is emphatically the opposite of fascist nationalism)

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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2020, 09:37:04 am »
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Because communism is so peace loving and tolerant of differences. Communism is conqestorial in structure as well. It demands perpetual revolution as its mostly a reactionary system with few positive (as in stand for something) values. I don't see you not knowing this your fault. Its more that commies in the USA have worked very very very very very very hard to mask just how militaristic, and imperialistic communism is.
Fascism actually is also totally pro-redistributionism and government controls. Both the Nazzees and the Commies had secret police to root out black markets caused by price controls, and both had effective government monopolies. Communism just did it instantly, while fascists did it slower (Still with guns and violence).

Fascism is to Doctor Pepper what Communism is to Coke. Sure its somewhat different but both are still a soda.


Much of this is not responding to anything I said. Just because two systems both are militarily aggressive does not mean they're the same (were the Assyrians fascist too?). But fascism is STILL more militaristic.

Yes, both are totalitarian. But they're not the same. Sort of like your soda example which resembles my religion example.

I'll give you this; sure the end effect tends to look similar, but not identical. The similarities are actually despite large differences in philosophy (fascism could actually be said to work in a way communism does not). My grandfather on my mother's side was communist, partially because he wanted the government to give him stuff (he was a bit lazy). Fascists were also around, but their brain washing was a whole different animal. And just like extremist adherents of two DIFFERENT religions, they would have killed each other if the had the chance.

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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2020, 09:40:06 am »
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I would argue fascism does kill innovation, it just takes a bit longer, and I would also argue the SJWs are in favor of cultural and racial "purity", just not in favor of western culture or the white "race".


So there's a difference right there.

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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2020, 09:54:51 am »
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Much of this is not responding to anything I said. Just because two systems both are militarily aggressive does not mean they're the same (were the Assyrians fascist too?). But fascism is STILL more militaristic.
Based on what? I can't respond to something with no real factual based arguments and just statements based on nothing.
I did not say they where both the same, I said they are near close enough expressions of near identical values. The reason we didn't see a Fascist state collapse into poverty (like would happen based on their economic policies) is because they all imploded before that happened.

What does 'More Militaristic' mean in this context?

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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2020, 10:13:57 am »
If they aren't the same, they are blood relatives.  Their seeming hatred of each other for the means they use to pursue their ends is partly because they are almost incapable of admitting how alike they are, like a couple of antagonistic siblings stuck in the same house.  They are both ideologies that spring from the race to the bottom fever swamp that comprise certain strains of French and German modern philosophy, forged in the out of control policies that have infected both nations from time to time since the French Revolution.

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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2020, 10:26:35 am »
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Based on what? I can't respond to something with no real factual based arguments and just statements based on nothing.
I did not say they where both the same, I said they are near close enough expressions of near identical values. The reason we didn't see a Fascist state collapse into poverty (like would happen based on their economic policies) is because they all imploded before that happened.

What does 'More Militaristic' mean in this context?


If they're not the same, then what are we arguing about? Why did you feel the need to argue  my post?
Franco's regime lasted a good while. Same with some South American dictatorships that could be said to be fascist.

As for militarism; Fascism glorifies militarism for its own sake, it's part of their selling point. If given a choice between fascists and communists, the military will usually back the fascists (which is also partly the reason why fascist military tend to be better organized)

One interesting example of how communism kills productivity is the Skoda works in the Czech Republic. They were considered top notch before the war, and continued to produce high quality war materials for the Nazis. When the communists took over the quality tanked rather fast. Buying a Skoda car was an act of desperation (we literally had jokes about them).

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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2020, 10:43:56 am »
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If they're not the same, then what are we arguing about? Why did you feel the need to argue  my post?
Franco's regime lasted a good while. Same with some South American dictatorships that could be said to be fascist.
Francos regieme had extreme price controls which led to stagnant markets and black markets which required a secret police to quell. And it became economically stronger after removing all that jazz in the early 60s and becoming more free market and less socialistic. Which is why it lasted longer.

I feel like your splitting hairs to differentiate fascism and communism. Because fascism is a subset of socialism (thats its literal marketting push by musollini). Not all socialists are fascist but all fascists are socialistic.

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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2020, 11:15:15 am »
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Francos regieme had extreme price controls which led to stagnant markets and black markets which required a secret police to quell. And it became economically stronger after removing all that jazz in the early 60s and becoming more free market and less socialistic. Which is why it lasted longer.

I feel like your splitting hairs to differentiate fascism and communism. Because fascism is a subset of socialism (thats its literal marketting push by musollini). Not all socialists are fascist but all fascists are socialistic.

Did he try to abolish religion too? One reason for the spread of fascism back in the day was fear of communism, so people never thought of them as the same thing.
I'm "splitting hairs" with real historical examples, even examples I've been close to, and most experts would agree. Anyway I think this "they're really the same" argument isn't really accurate. They often resemble sort of mirror images of each other, mostly because they are both totalitarian.

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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2020, 11:20:19 am »
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Did he try to abolish religion too?

No but he did not in any way promote it outside of lip service to remain in power. Gascist dictators rarely value religeon.

To your religeon metaphor: i see it as two competing sects of the same religeon, as opposed to two different ones.

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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2020, 11:24:13 am »
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No but he did not in any way promote it outside of lip service to remain in power. Gascist dictators rarely value religeon.

To your religeon metaphor: i see it as two competing sects of the same religeon, as opposed to two different ones.

In the same way that, say, Christianity and Islam are two competing sects of the same Abrahamic religion?

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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2020, 11:40:01 am »
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In the same way that, say, Christianity and Islam are two competing sects of the same Abrahamic religion?

Ah, I see. That's a reasonable debate to be had. If Fascism and Communism are Christianity & Islamism, or Catholocism & Protestantism.

I argue the latter.

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« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2020, 11:46:35 am »
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Ah, I see. That's a reasonable debate to be had. If Fascism and Communism are Christianity & Islamism, or Catholocism & Protestantism.

I argue the latter.

I argue Sunni Islam vs. Wahhabi Islam. They are that much alike, and that violently opposed to one another.

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« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2020, 12:32:14 pm »
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So there's a difference right there.


Are you saying that say Irak couldn't ever be fascist because they are against the west and not white?
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« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2020, 12:38:53 pm »
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If they aren't the same, they are blood relatives.  Their seeming hatred of each other for the means they use to pursue their ends is partly because they are almost incapable of admitting how alike they are, like a couple of antagonistic siblings stuck in the same house.  They are both ideologies that spring from the race to the bottom fever swamp that comprise certain strains of French and German modern philosophy, forged in the out of control policies that have infected both nations from time to time since the French Revolution.


It's easier to turn a fascist into a socialist or a socialist into a fascist than to turn any of them into a classical liberal.

And that's because their ideologies are that close to each other.

Lets examine China, would anyone argue they aren't Han-Supremacists? Or that they aren't doing exactly what the Nazis did?

Only "difference" is having a nominal religion or turning the state into the religion and paying lip service to the nation state vs plainly stating it should be abolished and a world state should replace it. And China isn't in favor of that last part, China want's to be the world's Hegemon.
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« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2020, 12:40:19 pm »
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I argue Sunni Islam vs. Wahhabi Islam. They are that much alike, and that violently opposed to one another.

Yep, two interpretations of the same ideology/religion, but there was a time when Catholicism vs Protestantism would be an apt analogy too.
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