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« Reply #120 on: August 18, 2020, 03:34:20 am »
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Googling something and quoting the top dictionary definition doesn't exactly convince me you have any knowledge on the subject.

The quote I posted as the top google result was positive towards deregulation, yet you reject it as a source that deregulation was even a thing in the 70's and 80's because...reasons I guess. I don't need to memorize the policies of Reagan and Thatcher in depth when it's all easily retrievable on the internet. If that "doesn't convince you" of my knowledge on the subject, I don't care.




Maybe you missed the part where I posted this.



If you don't see how this is self-evidently true, then feel free to explain why.

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And the truth of the title is revealed.
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« Reply #121 on: August 18, 2020, 08:02:08 am »
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I already nb4'd citing wikipedia. Sorry, those are the rules.


So you were only pretending to be an idiot? Well, I suppose that's better than actually being one.

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« Reply #122 on: August 18, 2020, 08:34:30 am »
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The quote I posted as the top google result was positive towards deregulation, yet you reject it as a source that deregulation was even a thing in the 70's and 80's because...reasons I guess. I don't need to memorize the policies of Reagan and Thatcher in depth when it's all easily retrievable on the internet. If that "doesn't convince you" of my knowledge on the subject, I don't care.
I never said that. In fact, I specifically mentioned 3 industries that were deregulated. What I did say is there was no overall deregulation. Cutting back a few regulations didn't even make a dent in the crazy kudzu growth. It's utterly bizarre how many people many talk about "deregulation" as if the number of regulations plummeted to new and unsustainable lows, because that's a completely false narrative. The number of regulations wasn't cut, in fact they didn't even cut the rate at which regulations were increasing. Using the word "deregulation" to describe the phenomenon is therefore part of a propagandic push, because the "de-" implies something that just didn't happen.

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the growth in the regulatory state that you reference hasn't implemented and enforced regulations that would prevent or limit the concentration of wealth (and thus, power).
I didn't miss that part, I just didn't address it because that's a whole new conversation. You were trying to deflect the discussion to a new topic, and I wanted to continue talking about the existing one.

It's also a misleading segue, because the growth of the regulatory state tends to increase the concentration of wealth and power, not reduce it. I've addressed some of the reasons already -- regulatory capture, competitive barriers, and cronyism in general -- but there are other factors, like how monetary policy has favored the capital and especially the banking sectors while disfavoring the consumer, and how byzantine complexity favors large established firms. It's a topic that needs more than a simple one-liner.
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« Reply #123 on: August 19, 2020, 11:03:26 pm »
I do not think they are fascists. I think they are a primitive kind of cult. A leaderless mass of mis-informed hate addicts. Their thought process is very cult like and those who escape or are lucky enough to be cast out have to find out what the truth is.

I thought about calling them a Proto-cult. Lo and behold there is a product called a Protocult and boy did I nail the landing on that one. It (the Protocult) is a disposable waterproof frame with a paper liner for collecting STOOL. I am gonna go ahead and say that is about as close to the definition of the sjw movement as anyone, anywhere can possibly get.

As a side note I can use contractions but my posts were declined. Because when I used quotation marks and apostrophe they were deemed non English.
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« Reply #124 on: August 19, 2020, 11:26:43 pm »
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As a side note I can use contractions but my posts were declined. Because when I used quotation marks and apostrophe they were deemed non English.

I think that could be a problem with the forum software.  I find that clicking on the "Go Advanced" button seems to post fine if you get the non english error.
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« Reply #125 on: August 20, 2020, 05:34:38 am »
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I think that could be a problem with the forum software.  I find that clicking on the "Go Advanced" button seems to post fine if you get the non english error.

Yep. I only get that error message when quoting others, and Go Advanced regularly bypasses it quite nicely.

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« Reply #126 on: August 20, 2020, 07:58:54 am »
The Go Advanced workaround is good to know, Shasarak and HappyDaze. I haven't seen the foreign character error in a while, but it was really annoying when it happened.

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« Reply #127 on: August 21, 2020, 01:06:27 pm »
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Most of the above are more important in fascism.
militarism; much more important in fascism - the fascists more often have military background

Not at all. Both put a very strong emphasis on militarism.

During the Cold War years, the Red army and the Soviet Military power were a strong propaganda tool. Red China is doing exactly the same thing nowadays, as is North Korea.

Fidel Castro, for most part of his tenure as Cuba's dictator, was always dressed in military uniform.

Hugo Chávez was a Captain in the Venezuelan army and the armed forces were vital in solidifying his Marxist dictatorship. Also, the "Bolivarian Militia of Venezuela", a paramilitary auxiliary branch of the Venezuelan Army, is crucial into squashing any opposition to the government in the same way the Nazi Party employed its Schutzstaffel (SS).
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« Reply #128 on: August 21, 2020, 01:12:56 pm »
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[...]Thus the idea that fascism is a right and not left wing movement is pure revisionism [...]  


Correct. I mentioned exactly this in my first post in this thread a few pages ago. British Marxist historians, like Thompson and Hobsbawn, came up with this "Fascism is right-wing" BS to distance Communism and Socialism from both Nazism and Fascism.

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« Reply #129 on: August 21, 2020, 02:04:11 pm »
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No one fought the Communists harder than the Fascists, in Spain, in Germany, in Italy, on the Eastern Front. This while the Liberal Democracies of the West were supplying the Soviet Union with the Lend-Lease program.

Saying that Communists and Nazi-fascists are enemies just because they fought each other is silly.

They were enemies precisely because they were fighting the same enemy (Capitalism). If you've read Mein Kampf perhaps you will remember that he said the only genuine or acceptable manner of implementing real socialism was the Nazi manner.


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It depends on how you define "Left Wing" and "Right Wing". National Socialism IS Socialism, and might be considered left wing economically, but socially it's far right.

Not true. Nazi-Fascism is indeed reactionary, but like nationalism, reactionism is found on both ends of the political spectrum.

In fact, I'd argue that all Communists (and all authoritarian ideologies) are reactionary. Any movement that pushes toward centralizing power in the hands of an authoritarian minority is reactionary. As all communists, in praxis, seek a powerful state administered by one of their own, they are by definition reactionary. Socially, reactionaries are adverse to change, obviously, but that doesn't equate reactionism right-wing social principles (i.e. Conservatism).

Because, really, if you think Conservatives are reactionaries you should read more Conservative authors.


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No it isn't. That doesn't even make sense. It's like saying the Protestant work ethic is Marxism.

And if you've read Mein Kampf you will understand what Hitler thought of Marxism. Anti-Semitism has a long history among dozens of nations in which the Jews have lived, they didn't need Karl Marx's permission to dislike the Jews. If you can list a single source from Hitler, Himmler, Rosenberg, Goebbels, Hess, or any other high ranking member of the NSDAP that positively references Karl Marx, please do so.

Oh, I did read Mein Kampf. And also did read Marx's letters to Engels and some of his other works (not everything, because Marx was a mediocre writer and his sanctimonious rhetoric is as annoying as the carbuncles on his butt).

Please, tell me who is the author of those quotes:

"What, in itself, was the basis of the Jewish religion? Practical need, egoism. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money."

"Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. [...] The god of the Jews has become secularized and has become the god of the world. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange."

"Contempt for theory, art, history, and for man as an end in himself, which is contained in an abstract form in the Jewish religion, is the real, conscious standpoint, the virtue of the man of money."

"Only then could Judaism achieve universal dominance and make alienated man and alienated nature into alienable, vendible objects subjected to the slavery of egoistic need and to trading."

The author even proposes a "final solution" by abolishing Judaism: "Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man's individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished."

Do they sound like something coming from Hitler's mouth? Think again, because all of those loathsome quotes were taken from (SPOILER ALERT!) Marx's "On the Jewish Question" (1843).

They have directly influenced Hitler's works. In fact, he uses the same disgusting rhetoric as Marx in Mein Kampf and, just like Marx, he blames both Capitalism and Judaism as the root of all evil in the World.


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"Fascists advocated the conflict between proletarian nations and bourgeois nations." dafuq?

Hold on, wait a minute. You've never, ever heard about this!? I mean, for real?? :eek: Holy shit!

The concept of proletarian nations vs bourgeois nations was essential to Fascism and Nazism and was heavily influenced by the writings of Italian philosopher and economist Vilfred Pareto, a staunch critic of capitalism (and a reactionary to the core).

Mussolini frequently denounced bourgeois nations as those "based on the plutocratic rule of the rich and that engaged in oppressive economic exploitation of other proletarian nations such Italy and Great Britain". He referred especially to the United Kingdom as "the fattest and most bourgeois nation in the world".
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« Reply #130 on: August 21, 2020, 02:39:26 pm »
This will be my last post here, I promise!

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We should go back to literal pagan times, tbh.

I'd rather have the society depicted in Caligula and the Satyricon than the society depicted in The Crucible that you want or the society depicted in Animal Farm and Brave New World that the Far Left wants.

Atheism is cancer and Yahweh worship has a lot of major issues.

Of the two, it's obvious that the atheism of the neoliberals and leftists is exponentially worse since several good things and major positive contributions to the West have come from Christianity (Catholicism moreso than Protestant or Evangelical traditions) and this cannot be ignored.

I believe that a lot of the more historic positive things brought by the Christian churches were largely thanks to pagan influence from the Greco-Roman and Germanic worlds that were refocused through a Christian lens and put in a Judeo-Christian context.

The philosophies of Plato and Aristotle were adopted by the founders of the Church as time went on.

The influence can also be found in certain customs such as Christmas (derived from the Roman Saturnalia and the Nordic Yule) and Easter (derived from the Germanic Ostara and the Roman Floralia) and arguably Halloween (originally derived from a Catholic holiday, but with influences from both the Roman Lemuria and the Celtic Samhain)


You're pretty much correct, Doc Sammy. Western society, as we know it, was built over three "pillars" of Christian morals & ethics, Greek philosophy and Roman law, intermingled and influencing each other.

Eastern Church Fathers even adapted and "baptized" some elements of Greek Philosophy (without fully adopting philosophical rationalism - that's why there has never been any philosophical traditions in Eastern Christian Churches such as we've seen in the West, like Thomism and Scholasticism).

Christmas and Easter, however, are not adaptations of old pagan holidays. There's some influence in some minor aspects of Christmas, for certain (trading gifts probably comes from Saturnalia), but the Nativity was celebrated from at last 200 AD (according to Clement of Alexandria) and the date of December 25th comes, in fact, from an earlier Christian Holiday, Annunciation (celebrated in March 25th - if you count nine months from March 25th you'll get December 25th) which was itself known in the Christian East since the 2nd Century AD.

The same with Easter. The Western name probably comes from an Old Teutonic word ("Estre") mentioned by Saint Bede in his De temporum ratione, which was written in the 8th Century AD. Eastern Christians, however, refer to the feast by its Greek name ("Pascha", which gave bith to the feast's name in many other modern languages) and Christians have been celebrating Pascha since the 1st century.

Anyway, sorry for the off-topic.
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« Reply #131 on: August 21, 2020, 03:26:21 pm »
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Eastern Church Fathers even adapted and "baptized" some elements of Greek Philosophy (without fully adopting philosophical rationalism - that's why there has never been any philosophical traditions in Eastern Christians Churches such as we've seen in the West, like Tomism and Scholasticism).

   Although there was a small group interested in Thomistic thought in Constantinople in the 14th and 15th centuries, before the Ottoman conquest. And Thomas himself draws heavily on the Greek Fathers, especially St. John Damascene.

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« Reply #132 on: August 21, 2020, 05:27:00 pm »
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Correct. I mentioned exactly this in my first post in this thread a few pages ago. British Marxist historians, like Thompson and Hobsbawn, came up with this "Fascism is right-wing" BS to distance Communism and Socialism from both Nazism and Fascism.


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« Reply #133 on: August 22, 2020, 01:15:09 pm »
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Although there was a small group interested in Thomistic thought in Constantinople in the 14th and 15th centuries, before the Ottoman conquest. And Thomas himself draws heavily on the Greek Fathers, especially St. John Damascene.

Yes, there was. But after the 3rd Palamite synod of 1351 all the interest in Thomistic / Scholastic thought all but faded away among Orthodox Christians. It was examined (and rejected again by the Orthodox) during the Ferrara-Florence Councils.


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Greetings!

Excellent points, Greywolf!

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« Reply #134 on: November 09, 2020, 03:43:34 pm »
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(without fully adopting philosophical rationalism - that's why there has never been any philosophical traditions in Eastern Christian Churches such as we've seen in the West, like Thomism and Scholasticism).

That's most definitely untrue.
We have whole large swath of Christian neoplatonism based exactly in Greek.
It was definitely rationalistic philosophy - in traditional meaning of rationalism. I'd argue more than thomism because thomist thought balance between rationalism and empiricism - while platonic schools rarely dabble with latter. We have Eastern Aristotle adaptation by John of Damascus.

Antiphilosophical tendencies on East, are late Russian resentiment towards West, with disregard for own - or at least for Greek achievements.

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   Although there was a small group interested in Thomistic thought in Constantinople in the 14th and 15th centuries, before the Ottoman conquest. And Thomas himself draws heavily on the Greek Fathers, especially St. John Damascene.


Not so small. There were plenty of Eastern philosophers who read and used Aquinas, including Palamas who is often shown by antiphilosophical Orthodox of current age as some straight opposition of Thomas.