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Author Topic: When They Think You Aren't Watching, Storygamers Declare: "D&D is Fascist"/"Gygax was  (Read 7211 times)

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Yeah, I went way off the deep end by calling one of the single most famous anti-semitic conspiracy theories an anti-semitic conspiracy theory. Look out for my next crusading controversy when I observe the sky is blue and water is wet. What a low blow. You're the most oppressed poster on the internet.

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Except it is propaganda Spinach. It is the original Jewish Conspiracy Theory.


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Here, there, everywhere we've seen time and again that some threads wont die. They will just keep going round and round in an endless death spiral.


You've contradicted yourself in your own attempt at rebuttal. Key words being "some threads". Some threads live, some die, all at the whim of El Presidente.
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A lot would depend on the reason the Germans came to win.

Going in the European powers thought it'd be just another war because they'd missed the MASSIVE evolution in firepower that came with modern war that, of the involved parties, only the United States had truly experienced (via the Civil War).

By the time the US finally got involved by sending fresh troops and leadership that had studied the bloody battles of the Civil War, both sides had ground themselves down and war weariness was well in place. I think an argument could be made that had the US not gotten involved the two sides might have been forced to find a more balanced armistice/peace than ended up occuring when the US threw in with one side and tipped things so radically.

Similarly, Wilson was so focused on his globalist wet dream of a League of Nations that he pissed away all his leverage in negotiating the peace treaty and let the embittered winners crush Germany so utterly that, if it hadn't been Hitler, it would have been some other charismatic nationalist demogogue who whipped Germany up to try again.

By contrast Grant letting Lee surrender with the South's dignity intact helped to de-escalate the situation quite effectively (a lesson the US carried into WW2 with their efforts to rebuild Japan and their half of Germany... turning enemies into allies or, at least not enemies).

A scenario where the US just stays out of WW1 would have likely given Germany something resembling a victory (they'd probably have been able to keep any land behind their lines or trade that land back for other concessions), but not the "ruler of all Europe" they'd set out to achieve initially. My hunch is such a scenario would be more akin to the "end" of Korean War; no formal peace treaty, just a decades long armistice where the de facto situation becomes normalized even if the official policy of both sides is that they're still at war and just "taking a break."

But that's just one scenario. The US coming in on Germany's side would be a completely different kettle of fish.


Using Grant's action regarding Lee is a poor example. The North was going to keep the South in the United States. And we can see later, with WWII, that unconditional surrender doesn't have to lead to post-WWI events. I would argue Germany was treated far harsher after WWII than after WWI. And it ignores what harsh demands Germany would have likely imposed if it had been victorious.

In what scenario could you see the US coming in on Germany's side (other than someone's fan fic)?

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I think D&D isn't fascist by default. The default D&D party are murder hoboes with little or no respects for law, discipline, order or usually any particular real world racism. The most accurate description you could come up with is 'D&D is pro-bandit by default'.
But then world and culture design kicks in, and there are all sorts of societies in most D&D/rpg settings that are everything from fascist (lawful-neutral), Nazi (lawful-evil), anarchist (chaotic), libertarian (chaotic-evil), socialist (lawful-good) and so on.
OBVIOUSLY I AM BEING PROVOCATIVE by saying the last 2, it's just plain teasing.. I know we'd never agree on how to place socialist or libertarian on a D&D nine point alignment grid SINCE there are so many different versions of each..
BUT, it's also quite fine for people to write settings or games to be consciously anti-fascist, it's good to think about the political aspects of gaming, even if you don't agree with their orientation.
As a socialist I actually enjoy blowing off steam as a murder hobo libertarian bandit sometimes, and I'd recommend some other people try being a conformist Party member in a one party communist state game sometime (Paranoia?).. so I actually like to play against my personal morals and beliefs sometimes.
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You've contradicted yourself in your own attempt at rebuttal. Key words being "some threads". Some threads live, some die, all at the whim of El Presidente.

Nice strawman there. Horray for you.

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People that think D&D is Fascist are stupid and not worth dealing with. I have never heard that complaint about D&D from anybody in person. Ever. I don't think any of us really have. I get the irony of complaining about this on a forum but I think far too often we get wrapped up with people who enjoy being a member of a forum or posting on social media and they really don't enjoy playing pen and paper roleplaying games. It's like what I noticed back before I deleted Twitter and FaceBook, a lot of the DIVERSITY!!!!! Champions with D&D seemed to enjoy posting on social media more than ever playing the fucking game. And as close as they got to rolling dice was watching some third rate voice actors do it on Twitch.

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Even the Jacobins ended up turning on each other and getting sent to the guillotine. Once the enemies are purged they start going after each other.

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Even the Jacobins ended up turning on each other and getting sent to the guillotine. Once the enemies are purged they start going after each other.

If they even wait that long.

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Here, there, everywhere we've seen time and again that some threads wont die. They will just keep going round and round in an endless death spiral.


Is that a problem?

Nobody is forced to read or participate in the endless death spiral.


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.. so I actually like to play against my personal morals and beliefs sometimes.


Absolutely!

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I don't think anyone hounded him out but himself. That said, he was clearly in favor of more frequent bannings than I was comfortable with.

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You were supposed to threaten people repeatedly, and get them to respond aggressively, before banning them, OHT. "Pick Up The Gun." Your "drive-by capping" style, no response allowed or possible, was anathema to everything TheRPGSite stands for! :eek:

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You were supposed to threaten people repeatedly, and get them to respond aggressively, before banning them, OHT. "Pick Up The Gun." Your "drive-by capping" style, no response allowed or possible, was anathema to everything TheRPGSite stands for! :eek:

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I think you'll find you're shooting blanks now, mate. :p

Is it 'cos i is black?

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You were supposed to threaten people repeatedly, and get them to respond aggressively, before banning them, OHT.


Thats how the pundit does it.