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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2021, 03:00:55 PM »
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Which is already a tenous position in terms of its connection to reality. The tenous reasonable (without much further thought) sounding position is a thin smokescreen for misanthropic people and commies.

I agree. Alas it's living sentiment.

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The commies in the USSR positioned their desire for utter destruction of the state and every general aspect of life behind a genuine greviance to the Tsar. And that greviance was more real then what BLM is complaining about. And it still had lots of useful idiots lined at the walls and shot (or sent to gulags).

But then with Stalin it was revealed they well all crypto-Tsarist all along ;)

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From recent polling (Sep 2021), about 28% of Americans say they strongly support Black Lives Matter, and about 55% at least somewhat support it.

Are those 28 within 55 or is it 83% of people being unopposed at least?
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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2021, 04:34:07 PM »
But then with Stalin it was revealed they well all crypto-Tsarist all along ;)
This is also a lie purpetuated by commies. That Stalin killed all those people because he was just a dictator, not because he was a communist. While debatable, I believe the bloodiest and cruel things he did where in the name of communism.

The commies revealed their true intentions when after the more popular first revolution, they turned on anybody that was OK with the status qou-sans tsars. Which was the longer and bloodier revolution.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2021, 04:52:33 PM »
From recent polling (Sep 2021), about 28% of Americans say they strongly support Black Lives Matter, and about 55% at least somewhat support it.

Are those 28 within 55 or is it 83% of people being unopposed at least?

Sorry it wasn't clear. The 55% includes the 28% - I had intended the "at least" to indicate that. Exclusive, it's 28% strongly support, 27% somewhat support. So that's about 90 million each, or 180 million total.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2021, 05:30:38 PM »
But then with Stalin it was revealed they well all crypto-Tsarist all along ;)
This is also a lie purpetuated by commies. That Stalin killed all those people because he was just a dictator, not because he was a communist. While debatable, I believe the bloodiest and cruel things he did where in the name of communism.

The commies revealed their true intentions when after the more popular first revolution, they turned on anybody that was OK with the status qou-sans tsars. Which was the longer and bloodier revolution.

It's an interesting thing trying to figure out how many people were killed by communism. Then you come to the realization that it'd be a lot less if the USG had gone after the commies in our own government that McCarthy warned about.  Communists in the Dept of State slow-rolled aid to Chiang Kai -Shek, forcing a retreat to Taiwan and letting Mao take over.  No Mao = no Korean War and no Vietnam War...

Let that sink in.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2021, 05:52:02 PM »
It's an interesting thing trying to figure out how many people were killed by communism. Then you come to the realization that it'd be a lot less if the USG had gone after the commies in our own government that McCarthy warned about.

While the USA has been damaged by infiltration, the USA has sucked at nation building. We don't know what would have happened.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2021, 05:53:07 PM »
Could be a false flag or troll.

Then again, BLM has plenty of black supremacists in their ranks.

Without any source, author, or other evidence that it is genuine, I don't think that the flyer from the OP is worth discussing. Black Lives Matter is a well-known movement - there is plenty to discuss without turning to unsourced material.

As others say, the problem with discussing Black Lives Matter is that it's a widespread hashtag movement. Like other hashtag movements from GamerGate to MeToo, it's hard to pin down any specific beliefs or policies among supporters. There are founders and activists, but most people who use the hashtag aren't expressing faith in the founders or any particular organization - they are supporting the general cause. From recent polling (Sep 2021), about 28% of Americans say they strongly support Black Lives Matter, and about 55% at least somewhat support it.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/27/support-for-black-lives-matter-declined-after-george-floyd-protests-but-has-remained-unchanged-since/

Well, that's an extension of the problem. "Do you support the BLM movement?" doesn't mean much. Do they support the widespread looting and burning of minority owned businesses done in the name of BLM? Do they support the founders of BLM as an organization of "trained marxists"?

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2021, 10:34:41 PM »
From recent polling (Sep 2021), about 28% of Americans say they strongly support Black Lives Matter, and about 55% at least somewhat support it.

That percentage reminds me of the Scott Adams Law of Polling.
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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2021, 01:53:08 AM »
So you don't know where it came from then?

I'm trying to remember where.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2021, 07:45:06 AM »
It's an interesting thing trying to figure out how many people were killed by communism. Then you come to the realization that it'd be a lot less if the USG had gone after the commies in our own government that McCarthy warned about.

While the USA has been damaged by infiltration, the USA has sucked at nation building. We don't know what would have happened.

It's not "Hey, you. Yeah, you, random bastard. You're the next contestant on who wants to be President" nation building I'm referring to. It's a commie in the State Dept's shipping department "losing" paperwork, purposely preventing aid going where it's intended by Congress and the President. There don't need to be active measures - just delaying tactics - that have allowed hidden commies to be effective.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2021, 07:55:55 AM »
Nobody really likes to admit that McCarthy was right -- that there were communists infesting the State Department.

Here's a fun exercise: the Army-McCarthy hearings were not really about the Army; they were about the prospect of censuring McCarthy because he'd been raising the alarm over numerous security risks. Everyone knows about Joseph Welch and his weepy 'have you no sense of decency, sir?' -- but how many people know what he was responding to? What was the context?

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2021, 08:29:26 AM »
Nobody really likes to admit that McCarthy was right -- that there were communists infesting the State Department.

Here's a fun exercise: the Army-McCarthy hearings were not really about the Army; they were about the prospect of censuring McCarthy because he'd been raising the alarm over numerous security risks. Everyone knows about Joseph Welch and his weepy 'have you no sense of decency, sir?' -- but how many people know what he was responding to? What was the context?

I didn't for a long time. I only knew that McCarthy was the bad guy, chasing imaginary commies and harassing good, decent people.
Of course, the only thing I knew about McCarthy and the hearings was what pop culture told me.

By the time I got to this video, I'd already become skeptical of everything I had culturally absorbed, so it wasn't such a shock as when I first learned about Marxist Feminism.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2021, 01:58:07 PM »
Nobody really likes to admit that McCarthy was right -- that there were communists infesting the State Department.

Here's a fun exercise: the Army-McCarthy hearings were not really about the Army; they were about the prospect of censuring McCarthy because he'd been raising the alarm over numerous security risks. Everyone knows about Joseph Welch and his weepy 'have you no sense of decency, sir?' -- but how many people know what he was responding to? What was the context?

I agree that there were communist agents and informants working in the U.S. government, just as there were American agents and informants working in the Soviet government at the time. It was the Cold War, after all. But McCarthy didn't just make generic claims about communists in government. He made very specific claims like this:

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I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department.

He never released his list, and never proved a single member of the Communist Party working in the State Department. I do not believe that this list even existed, or that Dean Acheson was informed of the names on it.

There are tons of proven, well-sourced criticisms of communism, but McCarthy's attacks aren't that. It's much like the original post of this thread. There's tons of proven, well-sourced ways to criticize Black Lives Matter. Why turn to an un-attributed, un-sourced image of a flyer that is likely a false flag?

As for the "have you no decency" line - that was about McCarthy trying to attack former legal assistant Fred Fisher because of his prior work for the National Lawyer's Guild (NLG) while in law school. As a progressive organization, the NLG had been accused of being a communist front. Because Fisher had quit the NLG long ago and was no longer on the case, McCarthy's continued attacks on him were perceived as malicious attacks on a private citizen unrelated to the topic of the hearing.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2021, 02:15:42 PM »
Nobody really likes to admit that McCarthy was right -- that there were communists infesting the State Department.

Here's a fun exercise: the Army-McCarthy hearings were not really about the Army; they were about the prospect of censuring McCarthy because he'd been raising the alarm over numerous security risks. Everyone knows about Joseph Welch and his weepy 'have you no sense of decency, sir?' -- but how many people know what he was responding to? What was the context?

I agree that there were communist agents and informants working in the U.S. government, just as there were American agents and informants working in the Soviet government at the time. It was the Cold War, after all. But McCarthy didn't just make generic claims about communists in government. He made very specific claims like this:

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I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department.

He never released his list, and never proved a single member of the Communist Party working in the State Department. I do not believe that this list even existed, or that Dean Acheson was informed of the names on it.

There are tons of proven, well-sourced criticisms of communism, but McCarthy's attacks aren't that. It's much like the original post of this thread. There's tons of proven, well-sourced ways to criticize Black Lives Matter. Why turn to an un-attributed, un-sourced image of a flyer that is likely a false flag?

As for the "have you no decency" line - that was about McCarthy trying to attack former legal assistant Fred Fisher because of his prior work for the National Lawyer's Guild (NLG) while in law school. As a progressive organization, the NLG had been accused of being a communist front. Because Fisher had quit the NLG long ago and was no longer on the case, McCarthy's continued attacks on him were perceived as malicious attacks on a private citizen unrelated to the topic of the hearing.
As usual, you are wrong, more wrong, and always wrong.

One, McCarthy was hesitant to name names because as he said himself, he could be wrong. Show me leftists who had that kind of forbearance. 

Two, the NLG was flagged as a Commie/radleft group by the FBI, particularly as it was raising funds for the fucking Weather Underground. This slap at Fisher came after Welch had spent hours hectoring Roy Cohn, gaybaiting him, and mocking him for his concern over commies in the State Department.

Now get fucked, tankie. Go play with those millions of skulls that serve as a monument to communism.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2021, 02:19:50 PM »
Nobody really likes to admit that McCarthy was right -- that there were communists infesting the State Department.


Yup, he was absolutely right. And Hollywood, and the education system, and all the rest of the civil services.
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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2021, 02:40:46 PM »
  I have doubts that flier is real.  However, all it does is espouse EXACTLY what the organization BLM espouses, just out loud and without any sort of attempts at hiding their intentions.  As mentioned already, avowed communist and dismantling the nuclear family is more than enough to make them my enemy, period.  I would also say the "movement" is just a bunch of bullshit contrived by the media and this felonious organization (which is run from behind the curtain by a woman who was a terrorist).  So dipshits "supporting" it means about nothing to me, well nothing beyond a segment of proof the average iq in the country is under 100 now.  When I saw the "hands up dont shoot" was going to be a real thing, I knew the decline was going hard and heavy.